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singlemalt
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 2:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For those that can't see the bigger picture, see what happened in Lebanon today:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&u=/afp/20050228/pl_afp/lebanonpol iticsus_050228190432&printer=1
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 2:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When did we invade Lebanon?
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Maple Man
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 2:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

of course this assumes that there was one and only one way to bring about democratic reform in the middle east - mislead the U.S. about non-existent WMD, so we could invade and occupy a now-hostile country.
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 2:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Right.

It's certainly not about this either:

At least 115 killed in Iraq suicide attack
Car bomber plows into crowd of jobseekers in Hillah
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singlemalt
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It must be so sad to hope for US failure. I feel sorry for you Robert.
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And I you, singlemalt. To ignore realities to fit your team's ideology.





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Bob K
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are two ways to look at the resignation of the Syrian backed government in Lebanon. One, it is an opportunity for democracy. Two, it is an opportunity for the revival of the bloody civil war. I hope for the former, but fear the latter.

Having an election is usually pretty easy. However, the committment to democracy isn't so easy. In a democracy there are winners and losers. With a committment to democracy the losers whine for a while and then form an opposition and make plans to do better the next time. If there is no committment to democracy, people start digging the AK-47s out from under the woodpile.
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Sgt. Pepper
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually they change realities to suit the needs of the moment. The invasion was for the purpose of protecting the civilized world from a large cache of chemical and biological weapons. Then when nobody could find any, suddenly it became about "spreading freedom."

If Bush's actions actually result in positive change in the Middle East, it would be a success along the lines of Inspector Clousseau getting his man pretty much by accident.
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sgt.: I believe one Simpsons episode had once referred to that phenomenon as "pulling a Homer" defined as: to succeed despite idiocy.

Of course, the war of choice, ends-always-justifies-the-means rationale will open up a whole new can of worms, and sets a scary international precident.
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Michael Janay
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Singlemalt,

RL is just projecting again. Hopefully he'll get over it before they put GWB on Mt. Rushmore.

Bob,

The third way to look at the Resignation of the Syrian backed government in Lebanon is that it resigned BECAUSE of popular uprising. Where else in the arab world has that ever happened? Especially against a killer like baby Assad. They're calling it "The purple finger intifada" for gods sake.

There is still a lot of work to be done, but to ignore the fact that democracy is spreading, and that the millions of oppressed arabs are yearning for it is ridiculous.

Can a lot of things go very wrong in these places... yes. Do we need to be vigilant, and offer the right carrots and sticks, yes.

I've been to these countries, believe me, even a bad democracy is far better than the dictatorship they have now.

You are right though, In a democracy there are winners and losers, but you are missing that the losers have been the arab people all along. Even the losing party will be a winer compared to the dictators that are there now.
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Mark Fuhrman
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bush will get credit in history for forcing regime change in the Middle East--no one else had the guts or idiocy to do it (pick your view). He will also get criticized in history for the way he did it. The overall review will depend on how far democracy really spreads in the Arabian Peninsula, and what form the governments take when the dust settles. I am glad it is happening, and hope like heck that Janay's view is right, but the chances of success would be a whole lot higher if it had a better genesis.
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Mark Fuhrman
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 3:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the movie "Hearts and Minds" a story is told about how Kissinger secretly met in Paris with the North Vietnamese just after Nixon was elected. Kissinger told them that Nixon was really insane, and that he, Dr. K., could not guarantee that Nixon would not drop nukes on North Vietnam. According to the K, this helped bring the North to the negotiating table. Wonder if Condi or Colin have tried the same thing with the Arab world? I mean, only a crazy man would invade Iraq on a whim and a pretense, right?
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 4:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think I missed the headline (presumably on Fox News) that said we won the war, our troops are home, and peace has broken out in the middle east.

Bush on Rushmore? Janay, I believe there's a psych 101 term for that, too. Delusional.
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tjohn
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 4:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RL,

If, hypothetically, the Arab world enjoys a transition to democracy a la Czechoslovakia, then Bush will secure a place in history with great leaders of the world. There is periodically an alignment between the times and a particular person that yields somebody great. That was certainly the case with Churchill. In the 30's, he was using the same language to describe Gandhi and Hitler. In fact, he was a raving jerk and would have gone done in history as such had not Hitler been Hitler.

However, when Hitler switched over to open war, Churchill was the right man for the job and earned his place in hisotry.
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Montagnard
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Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let's remember that the purpose of any armed intervention by the U.S. is to protect the interests of U.S. corporations and wealthy individuals with ties to the government of the day. There may be times when such interventions serve some larger good, but this is always a side effect or means to an end, never the main motivation.

For example, one might ask why the U.S. forces do not provide effective protection to Iraqi police recruits, who are attacked again and again by suicide bombers while they wait out in the open in front of government offices. The answer has to be that the Bush supporters have no real interest in seeing an effective Iraqi police force, since that would make it unnecessary for the U.S. Army to remain in the country.

Look at where the money goes and the purpose of the war will be clear.
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Innisowen
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All interesting posts for me to read. We'll see what happens in Lebanon... will Syria pull its troops out? Will it send in additional forces? Lebanon was the pearl of the middle east for so long, and has been unstable and rocked by violence for at least 20 years now. That will not stop overnight. If Syria makes aggressive moves on Lebanon, we could be in quite a pickle.

We're committed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we have limited troop resources to wield beyond that. We have our eyes on Iran and hope they won't continue to develop nuclear weapons (which is why we are talking tough), and we have no leverage to exert on North Korea (nuclear nation, anyone?)

God, help me. I hope Staten Island doesn't start developing its own military and nuclear capabilities.
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Phenixrising
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Posted on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 9:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Having an election is usually pretty easy. However, the committment to democracy isn't so easy. In a democracy there are winners and losers. With a committment to democracy the losers whine for a while and then form an opposition and make plans to do better the next time. If there is no committment to democracy, people start digging the AK-47s out from under the woodpile.

DITTO!

Just look on how democracy is working in Russia. I have a co-worker who's husband goes twice a year to bring essential needed supplies to his family. In his eyes, he sees the deterioration of democracy in Russia. Criminals & mob gangs have run amok. The economy has been in a sad state for awhile, and what was regarded as monetary security for senior citizens… have all but diminshed. With Putin in power, “Democracy has been assassinated in Russia”.

Iraq, Afghanistan and now Lebanon are not secure or stable states. The potential for civil war is very much a possibility. Yesterday, it was said that the secular Kurds are already in disagreement with the Shiites about interpretation of Islamic laws into their government. You have the Sunni's who does NOT recognize this past election. And dealing with the insurgents (yesterday, a suicide bomber blew himself up and kiled 115 Iraqi’s). Afghanistan, has its t tribal factions running amok. Now we have Iran, who refuses to stop their nuclear developments.

However, when Hitler switched over to open war, Churchill was the right man for the job and earned his place in hisotry.

I wouldn't compare Churchill to Bush. Bush misled the American public into this war with Iraq, when this country was NOT an immediate threat to us. Churchill protected his country from the Hitler who was ready to INVADE England.

On Churchill…

- his military expertise was universally acknowledged.

- lead his beloved nation in an all-out war for survival and for the universal values it represented.

- defended democracy… not use it to invade other nations

- earned universal respect as one of the most remarkable war leaders of modern history.

Bush continues trying to mend the ties and receive the support of our allies who did NOT support this war. Other nations still seem to visualize him as the "bully" & "cowboy".

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cjc
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Posted on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 2:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phenix -- you left out the Congo, Sierra Leone, Haiti and The Balkans in your missive of woe. Russia, Iraq and Afghanistan don't fit because they're made progress relative to what they once were. Iran -- that's a work in progress.
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Phenixrising
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Russia, Iraq and Afghanistan don't fit because they're made progress relative to what they once were.

You call instability progress?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 3:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bush on Rushmore
ROTFL !!
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Robert Livingston
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Sgt. Pepper
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Posted on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 4:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear that Rushmore was Bush's favorite President.
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Robert Livingston
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Here's the quote from Bush to go along with the other president's in above:

Bush: "Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have..."
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Michael Janay
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Posted on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You'll see.
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cjc
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Phenix -- do you really wish Russia to go back to communist rule with a little perestroika tossed in to look good? Taliban running Afghanistan and Saddam running Iraq which, while not free, at least the beheadings ran on time?

Let's not have a revolution here, folks, cuz things could get unstable. God Save the King.
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Phenixrising
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Phenix -- do you really wish Russia to go back to communist rule with a little perestroika tossed in to look good? Taliban running Afghanistan and Saddam running Iraq which, while not free, at least the beheadings ran on time?

cjc

I don't see the humor in this.

I don't think anyone wants to see the Taliban in power or Saddam running Iraq or Russia going back to communist rule. But in Russia, it's a serious problem hearing it from someone firsthand who often travels there.

The purpose for going into Afghanistan was to capture of Osama (Been Forgotten). (Seems that they're still looking.) Afghanistan is a mess and their living conditions are no better since the US went in.

Saddam was contained. He was NO threat to the US. He knew he was being watched. The pretense for the US invasion into Iraq deceived the American people.

It may not be a revolution here, but a civil war could erupt in any of these places.

Yeh, God Save these people.




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cjc
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Yes, the purpose of going into Afghanistan was to get rid of a perceived threat to the US. After which, we stayed to rebuild the country rather than turn tail after the war and leave it to ruin as was done after the Russians were expelled, leaving a vacuum for extremism to rule.

Same with Saddam. You can easily in hindsight say he wasn't the quite the gathering threat that Bush thought he was, unless of course he moved his stockpiles. Still, the same strategy of rebuilding the country and allowing democracy in whatever form it takes to follow took place, which also serves US interests.

Your looking for civil war, or others panting for a theocracy to take root is so obvious. Are there problems and challenges? Surely. You don't mention the real chances of civil war occuring in Afghanistan, but obviously because you think that was a good conflict to enter into and your pessimism subsides. Kandahar and the south aren't entirely at ease, but that escapes your pessimism. As do other interventions during the 90s which show less promise than Iraq, and it looks like you're just being partisan rather than consistent.
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Montagnard
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Posted on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - 9:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From the Analysis and Comment section of the Financial Times:

quote:

The dark roots of America's security strategy
By Andrew Bavevich
Published: March 2 2005

George W. Bush has laboured to portray his global war on terror as a principled response to the events of September 11, 2001. In practice, the hallmark of US policy since then has been not principle but opportunism. In this sense, recurring rumours of wider war - whether the buzz about Washington taking aim at Syria or gearing up to attack Iran - capture an essential truth about US strategy in the Bush era.

During his first term, Mr Bush abandoned concepts of prudence and restraint that had long informed American thinking about the use of military power. He devised an alternative strategic tradition, revolutionary in its implications. The new thinking behind the Bush doctrine of preventive war insists that in a post-9/11 world the US has no choice but to go permanently on the offensive. Old notions of using force as a last resort no longer apply. As the world's sole superpower, the US must act, enforcing order and eliminating evil-doers however it deems appropriate.

The spirit animating this new approach is one of intense urgency. What counts is not deliberation, not the careful weighing of means and ends, and not the evaluation of second-order consequences, but action. Audacity, risk-taking, a willingness to lay all on the line: these have emerged as emblems of Bush's new approach to strategy.

Lending these precepts an air of plausibility is US military might and the Bush administration's confidence in the invincibility of the American soldier, the liberator of Afghanistan and Iraq. Granted, events since the fall of Baghdad have not been without disappointment. Efforts to parlay the overthrow of Saddam Hussein into a fully-fledged transformation of the Greater Middle East have encountered obstacles, even as the original rationale for the war has evaporated. That becomes all the more reason, therefore, to act boldly to reclaim the initiative.

For the Bush administration, the key is to attack - surely on the other side of such exertions a great harvest awaits.

In fact, little of this is as novel as either the president's acolytes or his critics imagine. Casting loose from strategic precepts that had served the US well, the administration has embraced a tradition that Americans would have once rejected as utterly alien. Its post-9/11 approach to war-making is instantly recognisable to anyone familiar with the military record of imperial Germany: punch a hole in the enemy's front and count on something useful to turn up.

As if affirming the adage about history repeating itself, the US seems determined to replicate in its war on terror the errors that Germany committed in its misguided war of 1914-1918. Mr Bush, the warrior president, has come to resemble no one more than Kaiser Wilhelm II, the self-described supreme warlord. Having unleashed a whirlwind beyond his control, Mr Bush, like the Kaiser, seems unable to conceive of an out. Nothing remains but to press on, trusting in the bravery and resourcefulness of the frontline troops to carry the day, no matter what the cost.

As with the Kaiser so too with Mr Bush, as the fighting stretches on, authority passes from his hands to those of others: in the so-called Great War, that power devolved on Field Marshal Hindenburg and General Ludendorf. Together this duo oversaw the destruction of the German army while driving Germany itself on to the rocks. In the global war on terror, the parts of Hindenburg and Ludendorf have gone to Donald Rumsfeld and his cohorts in the defence secretary's office. In striking contrast to activist commanders-in-chief such as Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt, Mr Bush has increasingly chosen to play a largely ceremonial role. Like the Kaiser by the time things came crashing down in 1918, he has become something of a figurehead, trotted out on occasions of state and touring foreign capitals while seemingly disengaged from the actual direction of events determining his nation's fate.

Meanwhile, in the manner of their German counterparts who counted on unrestricted submarine warfare to starve Britain but managed only to add the US to the list of the Reich's enemies, Mr Rumsfeld's team has made rashness a virtue, certain that beyond the next push final victory lies. Although they have not yet depleted US military strength, opening a new front against Syria or Iran just might do the trick. The word for all this is militarism.

The writer is professor of international relations at Boston University and author of The New American Militarism: How Americans Are Seduced by War (published this month by OUP)


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Innisowen
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Well, I don't think we'll see US troops in Iran or Syria or on the way to North Korea--- simply because we don't have the resources.

Our armed forces are stretched thin, irresponsibly so, in my opinion. And it appears we still cannot provide full armour protection for all those troops in Iraq that need it (that is of course first and foremost a logistics problem, but if we're having that degree of logistics problem now, imagine how grave that problem would be if we tried to send troops into yet another country).

GWB will have to look at reinstating a draft of some sort, since the all volunteer army and the state national guards are just about fresh out of people.

Maybe Rummy's and Cheney's grandkids won't wait for the draft but will volunteer.
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Phenixrising
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cjc says

Your looking for civil war, or others panting for a theocracy to take root is so obvious. Are there problems and challenges? Surely. You don't mention the real chances of civil war occuring in Afghanistan, but obviously because you think that was a good conflict to enter into and your pessimism subsides. Kandahar and the south aren't entirely at ease, but that escapes your pessimism. As do other interventions during the 90s which show less promise than Iraq, and it looks like you're just being partisan rather than consistent.

I'm looking for civil war? In my posts (if you read it thoroughly) I said, "but a civil war could erupt in any of these places".

"Could" & "would" have to different meanings.

The possibility of a civil war has been raised not by me, it's the US goverment, the international community, the media, and the American people.

read on…

'Afghanistan's Transition: Decentralization or Civil War''

http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=192&language_id=1

“At present, a weak transitional government in Kabul led by Hamid Karzai is protected by foreign troops and does not exert effective control over the rest of the country, which is divided among local and regional warlords with primary affiliations to clans and particular ethnic groups. Taliban persecutions and the resentments sparked by civil war have sharpened ethnic divides, lessening the will to compromise. The Taliban have regrouped as guerrilla forces determined to impede the formation of a stable Afghan government. The primary condition for centralized state control -- the disbanding of local and regional militias -- has not been realized: 40,000 to 50,000 fighters are still under the control of the warlords, dwarfing the fledgling Afghan army”.


From…

“Frequently Asked Questions About the War in Iraq”

In the current situation, with the Iraqi security forces essentially not functioning, isn't there a danger that Iraq will disintegrate into civil war?

The administration has argued that it is seeking to establish a sufficient level of security and stability so that Iraqis can take over the military and political functions. But many people, including retired U.S. General William Odom now believe the longer U.S. troops remain in Iraq, the greater the instability and the greater the possibility that the country will disintegrate into civil war.

Bush's Grand Plan?: Incite Civil War in Iraq, 
Mike Whitney  January 15, 2005

"When you destroy a man's home and kill and disgrace his friends, he'll fight back. And, when you rob a man of everything he has, including his dignity, you leave him with one, solitary passion: rage. This rage is now animating the resistance in ways that no one had previously anticipated. The world's lone superpower is roped to the ground like Gulliver and the Pentagon high-command is getting increasingly agitated. Civil war can be messy. Inciting religious and sectarian hatreds tends to disrupt the smooth execution of business; like the purging of potential enemies and the extracting of vital resources. Never the less, Rumsfeld is nearly out of options; 'divide and conquer' may be all that's left. If we glance at the last 3 imperial projects; Kosovo, Haiti and Afghanistan, the very same strategy was applied. All three nations have been effectively carved up, delivered to US multi-national corporations, and reduced to warlordism or anarchy. Their outcome sets the precedent for similar results in Iraq. Will Iraq be Balkenized along ethnic and religious lines? That's what the Generals are hoping, and their plan is already in full swing."

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On the rebuilding of Afghanistan, since you feel it's movin forward successfully.

How to rebuild Afghanistan?   
Posted by jeny, Thursday, December 30 @ 22:57:02 CET

http://www.afghanchat.com/article2564.html

It is time the Karzai government and the international community paid heed to the real issues facing this ravaged country

A recent visit to Kabul via Torkham and Jalalabad revealed various international donor agencies busy in massive construction both of roads and infrastructure in Afghanistan. They have been doing this for over three years now, at various levels -- administrative, economic, political and societal. Yet the process of rebuilding Afghanistan is still far from smooth.

The biggest challenge it continues to face is how to establish peace and normalcy, a challenge that has existed from 1978 when the regime of Sardar Daud was overthrown by a pro-Soviet coup till the US led coalition's defeat of the Taliban regime in November 2001.

But the daunting task of rebuilding Afghanistan is not so simple. It involves not only restructuring the security structure but also rebuilding the country's educational and judicial system. So far around 20 billion dollars have been spent on maintaining ISAF, running the Afghan government and rebuilding the country destroyed by 23 years of war. But the socio-economic conditions of the overwhelming majority of the Afghan people have hardly improved, despite billions of dollars of money being poured in from around the world.

Even in the capital city Kabul, the condition of social services is pathetic. Most city areas are without proper electricity and water supply.

The roads of Kabul cannot cope with the enormous traffic congestion caused by the heavy influx of job-seekers from around the country, thousands of foreign nationals working with hundreds of non-governmental and humanitarian organisations, and the local administration's failure to improve the condition of roads destroyed by war.

Outside Kabul, conditions are worse. The country is still under the influence of warlords and mafias unwilling to relinquish their privileged position -- a fact that the Afghan President Hamid Karzai understands and tries to address by excluding some warlords from his new cabinet. But he too has his limits. The US-led IASF is hardly interested in dealing with corruption and misgovernance, although these have a bearing on the law and order situation that it is concerned with.

So how is the task of rebuilding Afghanistan to be accomplished and the plight of its people effectively addressed? Why is the contribution of the the Afghan diaspora towards rebuilding the country so minimal? Meanwhile, the warlords and drug mafia who have accumulated enormous wealth, have invested heavily in real estate and multi-storeyed building construction, thereby gaining a respectable position in Afghan society while at the same time holding discreet powers.

The roadmap to rebuild Afghanistan needs to be re-evaluated in the light of these conditions, because the past three years have not yielded the desired results, despite the commitment made by the participants of the Bonn conference to rebuild Afghanistan. Despite the presence of hundreds of organisations, foreign and local, essential services like electricity and water, and adequate economic opportunities for the people are still missing.





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Michael Janay
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Phenix,

That post is pretty old. The Taliban remnants are giving up their weapons and taking advantage of the amnesty offered by the duly elected government of Afghanistan.

As for Russia, yes Russia is losing freedoms. The former Soviet Union states are gaining freedoms and standing up against Russia. Putin will try to hold out, but eventually (and sooner rather than later) his powerhold will collapse. Ukraine was the first crack in the foundation.
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Posted on Thursday, March 3, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phenix,

That post is pretty old. The Taliban remnants are giving up their weapons and taking advantage of the amnesty offered by the duly elected government of Afghanistan.


Janay,

Fact remains…things haven't changed much.

Taliban Still Grave Threat

ORGUN, Afghanistan, Feb. 25, 2005

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/25/world/main676660.shtml

(AP) “Taliban and al Qaeda insurgents remain a grave threat to Afghanistan, a senior U.S. general told The Associated Press, warning against cutting the strength of the U.S.-led coalition so long as neither Afghan nor NATO forces are ready to fill the breach.

Maj. Gen. Eric Olson said he was concerned that American policy-makers will seize on an apparent drop in militant attacks to cut the 18,000-strong coalition — about 17,000 of whom are Americans — to ease the pressure on American forces stretched by their deployment in Iraq”.

Afghanistan: Struggle for Rights
by HRW Tuesday, Mar. 01, 2005

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/03/1724464.php

“The parliamentary and local elections, to be held later this year carry a greater risk of violence, vote-buying, and intimidation, with intense jockeying for control over districts and provinces. Given the slow pace of disarmament and demobilisation and the continued security vacuum, the omens are mixed, at best. From attacks on girls’ schools to death threats, violence against women remains routine.

The areas with the most Taliban and insurgent activity continue to be particularly hostile to women’s rights. The insecurity and attacks have prevented many aid projects in the south and south-east. Thus, in Zabul province, only one percent of seven to twelve year-old girls attends primary school. In Uruzgan province, only two percent of those who cast their ballots in the presidential election were women.”

Warlords Remain

Part of the underlying problem is that many of the men who replaced the Taliban share the same views on women that made the Taliban so notorious. But another key reason is that the United States and its allies have helped prop up regional warlords and their factions – many with atrocious human rights records– in the fight against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. These warlords have had a chokehold on regional and local governments”.



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