| Author | Message | ||
     mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1767 Registered: 4-2002 |
How about Tom Kean - he was in charge of the 9/11, is a republican and is a decent debater, plus he lives in the area. | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1655 Registered: 1-2003  |
Now THATS a great idea. Any idea how to contact Kean? I know he used to be dean of Drew U. Googling him gave me no contact info. Paul and I could be the undercard. I'll start working on it, any help would be appreciated. What do you think Paul? | ||
| Paul Surovell Supporter Username: Paulsurovell Post Number: 259 Registered: 2-2003 |
Michael, Let's stick to the original plan -- you line up Oliver North for a one-on-one debate with Scott Ritter and I'll forward the information to Scott. Also, to reiterate -- I will be happy to participate in a one-on-one debate with you on your proposition: "It is worth the deaths of one and a half million American servicemen and women to achieve 'democracy' in Iraq." You will argue, as you have on MOL, in favor of the proposition, I will argue, as I have on MOL, against the proposition. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 5713 Registered: 1-2003  |
I don't expect you can get Kean in as a Bush supporter! | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5480 Registered: 4-1998  |
I bet Drew University would hold a Ritter/Kean forum. They run a speaker series and have hosted other important historical figures like Dave Barry and Henry Kissenger. | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5481 Registered: 4-1998 |
I missed an opportunity to meet Bush in Westfield by 20 minutes. I was going to slap him on the back for his stand on frivolous lawsuits. | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1656 Registered: 1-2003 |
There was NO original idea. North was brought up by YOU with regard to speaker fees. I said I'd love to see it. Then I said: Hey, Paul offered to help organize a debate between Ritter and anadministration supporter. I'd love to see Ollie rip Scott to shreds. But then again, I'd love to rip Scott to shreds. I Volunteer to engage in a debate against Ritter (only if we can't get Ollie, or better). Lets do it. Do I have to create an organization like Maplewood/South Orange supporters of Freedom and Liberty, or can I just do it by myself. I'm serious, and I'm throwing down the gauntlet. Paul, what do you want me to do? So I guess the original idea was that I would debate Ritter unless we could get someone more notable. Is Ritter afraid of Kean? Or me? As for our debate, name the place and time. Lincoln Douglas rules, and why do you feel the need to keep changing the premise? I said in other posts that it was worth a million or more lives to save millions of lives, free hundreds of millions of people from tyranny, and bring peace and democracy to the middle east. You can go back to any of my posts ad see what I said instead of trying to construct a strawman. You've constructed a strawman by a) adding "American servicemen and women to achieve 'democracy' in Iraq" and B) changing the numbers from one post to the next. IE. Regarding a debate with you -- I'd be happy to debate your allegiance to the proposition that it would be worth the deaths of 1 million American servicemen and women to achieve "democracy" in Iraq. To: "It is worth the deaths of one and a half million American servicemen and women to achieve 'democracy' in Iraq." But I won't let your petty little tricks stop the debate. 1 million, 1.5 million, whatever. Its obvious the trap you're trying to set. Name the time and place. Lincoln Douglas rules and format, and I will be the affirmative. | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1657 Registered: 1-2003 |
My synagogue has a great speakers program too. I'll talk to the President of the Mens club. But I'm kidding myself. Ritter will NEVER debate anyone. | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1658 Registered: 1-2003 |
Oh and Tom, Kean is still a big Bush supporter. | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 1675 Registered: 6-2002 |
Isn't Oliver North a convicted felon who used his position in the Government to line his pockets and who sold arms to the terrorist Iranian regime? If you want to have a "conservative" speaker, how about someone with a brain, for instance Bill Kristol? | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1659 Registered: 1-2003 |
Oliver North was Paul Surovell's idea. | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5486 Registered: 4-1998 |
For the record, I invited Scott Ritter by e-mail to engage readers on MOL and he never replied. I was a bit disappointed and the non-response kind of lends itself to Michael's assessment. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 581 Registered: 5-2001 |
To Michael, Why not try rereading your own posts? That might be good practice for a debate. Paul mentioned Ollie in the context of how much Ritter charged for speaker fees. YOU suggested that Ollie would be able to rip him to threads in a debate. To D., (whoever the heck that is) Would you care to post how you suggested that could happen. Debating with anonymous posters has not been many people's cup of tea. And some prefer the face to face for all kinds of reasons. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 4405 Registered: 10-1999  |
Dave, that's a little harsh. The guy came to town in person, and was willing to talk to anybody and answer their questions. And as for Wendy's point, let's go to the videotape:  http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=26018&post=347173#POST347173 | ||
| D. Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5487 Registered: 4-1998 |
Don't get me wrong. I give props to Scott for coming to Maplewood. It was he who asked about a follow-up debate (or pre-debate) on MOL. Here's my letter to him.
| ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 583 Registered: 5-2001 |
Fair enough D. No response is a bit troublesome, I agree. If you do hear from him about why that didn't happen, I assume you'll post a follow-up. That videotape, Nohero, will still let Michael wriggle out of things. It was the S----man who first suggested Ollie, I believe. Then Michael said the above. Then he said the following: "Hey, Paul offered to help organize a debate between Ritter and anadministration supporter. I'd love to see Ollie rip Scott to shreds. But then again, I'd love to rip Scott to shreds. I Volunteer to engage in a debate against Ritter (only if we can't get Ollie, or better)." | ||
| Mustt_mustt Citizen Username: Mustt_mustt Post Number: 295 Registered: 8-2003 |
Looks like we are having a debate about about having a debate. If we don't end this quickly enough, we might end up with Ollie "went" South debating Mr. Janay. Wonder what rules they will follow! | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 790 Registered: 3-2003 |
O North afraid of debating Ritter? Who is kidding who? Remember Colonel North in front of Senator Inyohe's(another sp ?) inquisition committee and he wasn't allowed to show his slides describing the communist influence he was working against in South America. In full uniform, medals and all, Ollie picked up the first slide, looked at it, then verbally described what it showed. This is the way he did his presentation to the Senate committee. As an experienced national securities industry presenter, I have never seen a more effective presentation with or without slides. The contra Reagan senators looked like they would explode. They didn't, but they knew they had been had - big time. Afraid? Ollie the Marine, (I'm Army and dammed glad there are Marines)went in on the first wave of the Iraqi invasion. Anyone see his reports on Fox? Ritter, el political commissar and sometimes general, wouldn't be caught anywhere near live fire. | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 1800 Registered: 7-2001  |
When any of you put yourself in the corner of a person who David Hackworth calls "psychopathic" you lose all credibility. Now wasn't this thread about the conservatives who didn't show up or say anything at Ritters presentation this week? Now you want to hide behind Oliver North? | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 798 Registered: 3-2003 |
David who? (And it takes one to know one) Who says a thread is supposed to be about anything except what the immediate poster writes? You want rules? TGIF. |
