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D.
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5456
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Thursday, March 3, 2005 - 1:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No call yet from SOMEA.
No offer of help.

This is going to make things very difficult for teachers at negotiation time if they hope to curry support from residents. VERY difficult. SOMEA can't have it both ways: you can't ask for support only when YOU need it. You have to support your neighbors when they ask and deserve it. Step up NOW and do what's right.

Send us some form of support. Financial or in the form of an official statement.

SOMEA: Let us know where you stand on freedoms codified in federal laws in America.
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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 1162
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 3, 2005 - 2:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe Strawman has some pull in the media. What say you Straw???
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lizzyr
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Username: Lizzyr

Post Number: 164
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe this group can help out:

www.eff.org

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Taylor M
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Username: Anotherusername

Post Number: 349
Registered: 8-2004
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 6:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nohero
The attorney in question is married to a certain CHS high school teacher. Odd how that teacher had also sued the district at one point.
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Taylor M
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Username: Anotherusername

Post Number: 350
Registered: 8-2004
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 6:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hoops
If I rememebr correctly the original letter that was posted from the BOE website did not contain names.

Confidential information is 'leaked' to newspapers all the time. How is that any different then someone posting something on a message board?

Besides, it's not as if Jamie or Dave posted the information in question.

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Concerned07040
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Username: Concerned07040

Post Number: 33
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 6:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The attorney in the lawsuit in question is not married to a CHS teacher.
She is the sister of a CHS teacher.

Does that make him responsible for his sister's actions? I think not.
Concerned07040
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Taylor M
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Username: Anotherusername

Post Number: 351
Registered: 8-2004
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 8:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mistake concerned. Thanks for clearing that up. Does being siblings make him responsible for his sister's actions? No, and I never said it did. However, it makes you wonder about the motives of this lawsuit.
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Hoops
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Username: Hoops

Post Number: 86
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 8:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its my opinion that the lawsuit is legitimate and required in order for the school board, the principal, and any other parties involved that caused harm to these students to be punished.

I will again state that I think MOL should not be part of the suit.
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 3396
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 8:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

harm? What is the specific harm? The kids graduated and are in college.
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Hoops
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Username: Hoops

Post Number: 87
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 9:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thats for the court to decide now. I dont know the specifics but if private records are leaked to the press and lies are propagated then that constitutes harm.

The fact that they graduated and are attending college just goes to show that they were good kids.
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 3397
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"that they were good kids"...who behaved badly and are apparently still behaving badly (frivolous lawsuit).
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Hoops
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Username: Hoops

Post Number: 88
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually what I think is that they behaved appropriately and the principal behaved badly. As far as the lawsuit is concerned I believe it is a good suit - minus the MOL involvement. I can bet that they are following the lawyers recommendation here and did not specifically target MOL on their own.

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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2934
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are a lot of perfectly decent people who have done some stupid, mean, bad or unlawful things. So, the students in question could be straight A students at MIT today and that would have no bearing on the way they behaved on that day in the cafeteria.
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D.
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5473
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 1:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We dance round in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.

—Robert Frost "The Secret Sits" (1942)
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 3398
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 2:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Except that there really isn't a secret, just some people with an agenda or grudge.
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Bob K
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 7810
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, March 4, 2005 - 3:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hoops, quite possibly, maybe even probably, Ms. Pollack didn't handle the situation perfectly. However, and this is a big however, the young adults had no reason to attack the security guards and Ms. Pollack herself.

In many school districts they would have been expelled, charged and convicted and had the opportunity to work on their GEDs in a state prison for the next several years. They were treated very leniently.


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Taylor M
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Username: Anotherusername

Post Number: 359
Registered: 8-2004
Posted on Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 1:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hoops That's a laugh. Just because they graduated and went to college does not mean they're 'good kids.' Give me a break. Look at the boys from Glen Ridge for example. They gang raped a mentally handicapped classmate, were found or plead guilty, some even served jail time. They graduated high school and went to college.
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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 1164
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 9:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't care what Pollack said to these kids or not. You don't hit a security officer for ANY reason, especially some lame excuse about hitting him inadvertently. This case is laughable and we all deserve to know what's going on. It should be plastered all over town. We are paying the bill for this nonsense. These kids are sleazy opportunists with bad parents and a greedy lawyer.
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Eric Wertheim
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Username: Bub

Post Number: 24
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 9:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ted Kaczynski, Harvard 1962

Ted Bundy, University of Washington 1973

Osama Bin Laden, King Abdul Aziz University 1979

. . . ?
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anon
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Username: Anon

Post Number: 1677
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 5, 2005 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hoops: I don't know if you are just uninfomed or have an agenda, but I will assume the former.

One of the plaintiffs in the suit was over 18 at the time of the incident and was therefore charged as an adult with a Disorderly Person's Offense of creating a disturbance. He pled guilty to the charges which included using foul and abusive language to the principal. He then changed attorneys and his new attorney, the one who is representing him in the lawsuit, filed an appeal despite the fact that he had pled guilty! The appeal was based on a number of technicalities but the Court which handled the appeal reversed on only one of those technicalities and sent the case back for a new trial. The Judge who heard the case the second time found the defendant guilty of the charges after a full trial. That Judge found that the defendant almost caused a riot.

Do you still believe this defendant, now a plaintiff, acted properly?

As to MOL, I think Nohero and others have fully explained why naming it and the Ross brothers as defendants is frivilous. Whom (who?) the plaintiffs and their attorney chose to name or not name as defendants reflects upon their motivations. Naming MOL but not the News-Record was either done to curry favor with the N-R or out of fear of the financial resources of Worrall Publications. Naming "John Does" designated as members of the same Temple as Ms. Pollack, based only on that fact, smacks of Anti-Semitism.

J. Crohn's post is right on the money!

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