| Author | Message | ||
     algebra2 Supporter Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 3033 Registered: 5-2001  |
I agree with the King, Strings and Lumpy. | ||
| mickey Citizen Username: Mickey Post Number: 242 Registered: 10-2001 |
Oh, here we go again. Fortunately, time, and intelligent legislation will validate us non-smokers. Can't wait. | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 1175 Registered: 3-2002 |
I do understand your health concern Mickey but I am curious. If there was a place where smokers could go relax and have a drink, that was specifically for smokers, would that bother you? | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 816 Registered: 6-2001  |
I think any public place should at least have a closed off section so that people have a choice. Many of my friends are anti smoking - and we would frequent bars more often if they didn't have smoking. At least I can go to NYC - just a shame we can't have this at home. | ||
| Strings Supporter Username: Blue_eyes Post Number: 426 Registered: 4-2004  |
mickey - please re-read my post. I am a NON-SMOKER. I don't even smoke socially, even when I'm out at the bars where I hang out with my friends who are smokers. Jamie - yes, a closed off section would be totally acceptable in many restaurants/bars. Given the choice, I would definitely sit in a non-smoking section when eating. | ||
| ronzio Citizen Username: Ronzio Post Number: 99 Registered: 7-2002 |
My father owns and operates a restaurant in NJ. He smokes. As does my step-mother, who also works 6 days a week at the restaurant. They have said on many occasions that they would like the place to be smoke-free, but can't make that decision, for fear of losing their regular customers who smoke to other restaurants. Saying let the owner decide is a bit naive, in my opinion. When you're a struggling small business owner, you cannot turn away any customer. But if the state bans smoking in all restaurants, well, it's easy to say, "Hey, it's not me...it's the state", thus shifting the blame and (hopefully) keeping your customers. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 460 Registered: 3-2004 |
i dont like people who wear orange. i want legislation to stop them. where does it end? just another step towards the fascist theocracy that you all decry at every step. it seems like a small thing, just smoking, but it is another small freedom and soon other ones wont seem so big and then soon enough there is a law stopping you from doing something you like to do and then you will rail against it and call it unfair.thas when i will laugh and point the finger at you. | ||
| KingofNJ Citizen Username: Kingofnj Post Number: 15 Registered: 2-2004 |
Ronzio..."Saying let the owner decide is naive" What?!? Yes, much better to have the state tell you what you have to do. That way owners don't have to make any decisions or take responsibility on how they run their own business. Your arguement is like saying there should be a standarized menu system should be next so no bar or restaurant has the upper hand. I'm sure NJ will pass the law but the market would more accurately dictate what the people want. If enough people don't frequent a bar because of the smoke then the owner will change his policy. The opposite also stands true. The King has spoken. Long live the King. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 933 Registered: 7-2004 |
Local: you're argument is just plain wrong. No one is stopping anyone from smoking...except when it affects people in your immediate vicinity. If nothing else, it's common courtesy. While still living in NYC, I railed against Bloomberg and the ridiculous smoking ban (and I quit the cancer sticks years ago). But, it turned out going out to bars and restaurants in NYC was a pleasure. At first it was weird. Then you noticed how clear the air was. Your clothes and hair didn't stink the next day, you didn't feel like you smoked a pack of Reds without taking a puff, and anyone who wanted to smoke just poked outside for a minute. It was a great a way to meet chicks (or dudes, depending...and you have a built in conversation starter: bitching about Bloomberg). Sooner or later, smoking will be banned all over indoors, so might as well get started now. | ||
| mickey Citizen Username: Mickey Post Number: 244 Registered: 10-2001 |
Strings, I know you are a non-smoker, and an open-minded one at that. I agree whole heartedly with Ronzio. The owner of the Gate did not support a town ban, for fear of losing customers to nearby towns, but would welcome a state-wide ban, so he, his family and his customers would not have to be subjected to second-hand smoke. King, I don't agree there's a bar culture which excludes us smoking ban advocates. Especially at a neighborhood place like the Gate. I suppose there's a smoking culture, however. I know plenty of people who frequent (and yes, I mean frequent!) bars and who hate the smoke. For instance, I love going to the Gate, but hate the smoke. I'd love to pop in for a pint or two and not have to go home and hang my coat outside, take a shower and immediately wash my clothes. I'd go way more often if it were smoke free. And yes, there are plenty of us who feel that way. Lumpy, it would crack me up if there were ever a place where when you entered you were REQUIRED to smoke. I know that's not what you meant, but I just love the mental image. I realize smokers want to be able to smoke in bars. I, on the other hand, wish it were banned. I don't think that makes me judgemental, or self-rigtheous....just hopeful. Selfish maybe. But I could call smokers selfish too. We all just want what we want. If second hand smoke weren't dangerous, then I'd just be advocating for a personal preference. However, it IS dangerous. Is that what's making me "self-righteous"? | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 1178 Registered: 3-2002 |
I meant like a cigar bar. A place MEANT for smoking. Would that make you uncomfortable knowing they were smoking in there and there is nothing you could do about it? That is what would crack me up. Someone sitting at home pissed off just knowing that people are smoking somewhere. | ||
| Kramer Citizen Username: Kramer Post Number: 95 Registered: 9-2002 |
Local - 1 out of every 5 deaths in the US cannot be attributed to people who wear orange! | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 934 Registered: 7-2004 |
I don't know about sitting home and being pissed off about people smoking somewhere, but I do go through bouts of sitting at home being pissed off knowing how many self-important people are being assholish out there. | ||
| mickey Citizen Username: Mickey Post Number: 245 Registered: 10-2001 |
No, sweet lumpy, that would not piss me off. Although sometimes I do sit home pissed off about the WWF knowing there's nothing I can do about it. ;-) Monster trucks too, sometimes. | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 1179 Registered: 3-2002 |
Mickey- LOL!!! | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 469 Registered: 3-2004 |
...except when it affects people in your immediate vicinity. If nothing else, it's common courtesy. with this reasoning people who dont say thank you often enough should be jailed. where does it stop? No one is stopping anyone from smoking but you are stopping business owners from deciding how to run their businesses. Local - 1 out of every 5 deaths in the US cannot be attributed to people who wear orange! the people who smoke have made that choice and who are you to impinge on their freedom of choice? as for second hand smoke, according to WHO it cannot be proven to have injured anyone.} | ||
| whome Citizen Username: Whome Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2004 |
I smoke. I shouldn't. It is my addiction that I do not force others to endure. Yes, I love to smoke when I am at a bar. But is it fair for the bartender and wait staff. I think not. It is a good idea for a law to protect others. We know the harm second hand smoke does to others. As Brenda Blue says "think about it". I'll be outside in the windstorm having another cigerette. | ||
| Maplewoody Citizen Username: Maplewoody Post Number: 914 Registered: 5-2001  |
I love to go into the NYC bars now and NOT come home smelling like an ashtray! The bartenders like it too from the ones I've spoken to. I'd frequent St. James Gate more if there was a Smoking ban. Their food is good, but I'm not waiting in a room full of Cancer causing Smokers. YUCK!  | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 470 Registered: 3-2004 |
Yes, I love to smoke when I am at a bar. But is it fair for the bartender and wait staff. and you have decided this for them? how nice of you to feel its ok to make decisions for other people based upon your personal likes and dislikes. maybe they like the tips from the large traffic of smokers in the bar. maybe they can work elsewhere if they dont like it. why do you think its ok to make that decision for them? I'd frequent St. James Gate more if there was a Smoking ban. Their food is good, but I'm not waiting in a room full of Cancer causing Smokers. if enough people feel like you them maybe it will affect their business and then they will make a change. if they continue to do well despite your lack of patronage who are you to force them to change their policy to suit your personal needs? | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 471 Registered: 3-2004 |
and i will say it 1 more time, THERE IS NO MEDICAL PROOF THAT SECOND HAND SMOKE CAUSES DEATH!!! none! learn to do some research and expand your minds beyond the propoganda that is produced by partisan organizations. |
