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marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 87
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 7:23 am: | 
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i can't wait for these responses. but someone tell me why this guy nichols in GA, after killing four people while waiting for sentencing on rape, deserves anything. but it's his right...BULL SHIRT!!!!!!!!!! i can't wait to hear from someone who defends this ••••••• |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 7891
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:07 am: |
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Where the Hell is Judge Dred when you really need him?
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argon_smythe
Citizen
Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 546
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:17 am: |
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Yeah, the only people who should have the right to due process are people who are not charged with a crime!
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tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2943
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 9:04 am: |
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Keep the lynch mob at home. What's the issue? His case will come to court quickly. He will be found guilty quickly. He will probably be sentenced to death. His crime is such that there are no reasonable doubts, no mitigating circumstances and no gray areas.
The interesting thing will be to see if the policy that defendants cannot be hand-cuffed when entering the courtroom will be changed. The thought was that having the defendant cuffed would prejudice the jury. Maybe so, but I hope they rethink that policy for defendants charged with violent crimes. |
D.
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5574
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 9:08 am: |
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How about no guns in the courtroom for anyone. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 3592
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 9:53 am: |
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"How about no guns in the courtroom for anyone."
I don't think that's the best way to protect our Judges. What if someone came busting in from outside to get them? It appears the system just broke down...
Everyone knew this guy was bad news. How stupid of them to give him any opportunity to get away. The justice system forgot about the basics of Murphy's Law. IMHO, it's not just guns we need to worry about; criminal defendant's should be cuffed! |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 7892
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 10:12 am: |
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I don't really follow Court TV or the Abram's Report on TV. Trials to me seem like watching paint dry.
However, when I do stumble on a court room scene on TV and the defendant is tastefully dressed in an orange jump suit and, I think in some states, chained I wonder if that will prejudice the jury.
I really don't know the answer. |
SO Refugee
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 51
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 10:33 am: |
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The sad part is that even though Nichols will be convicted rather soon (we all hope), he will spend at least the next 15 years on death row before getting a flu shot.
As far as cuffing the defendant and the bias it might create - why not bring the jury in after the defendant has been brought in and uncuffed? |
Steve R Jones
Citizen
Username: Sjthinker
Post Number: 5
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 11:34 am: |
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the cops should have shot him when they had the chance. who cares if he waved a white flag, he deserves nothing less than a quick death. a waste of taxpayers money already, he is just going to suck even more $$$ out of the already failed court and legal system. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1186
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 11:46 am: |
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Why would let a violent 6 foot 2, 200 pound man charged with rape go into a courtroom uncuffed and led by one woman?? |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 579
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 2:59 pm: |
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he deserves nothing less than a quick death.
cause nothing is less hypocritical than saying killing is wrong and as punishment we will kill you. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5834
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 3:42 pm: |
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I agree that some people ask for the death penalty and deserve it. However, I think it is no one's job to mete out the death penalty. See, I think there is a distinction between the recipient and the executioner, and I believe that it demeans us to give what the guy deserves. |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 582
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 4:18 pm: |
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killing people for killing is hypocracy. i know our hearts hate these despicable crimes and want to see a hammurabi like form of justice but the contradictory nature of capital punishment should force a rational people to apply the breaks. |
SO Refugee
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 55
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 4:29 pm: |
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If not the death penalty, what is the appropriate punishment for criminals such as Nichols?
We've discussed back and forth about personal responsibility and accountability, but if there is not sufficient and appropriate consequences for one's actions, it's all just talk. |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 586
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 4:42 pm: |
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We've discussed back and forth about personal responsibility and accountability, but if there is not sufficient and appropriate consequences for one's actions, it's all just talk.
the criminal and the jailer both must accept personal responsibility. i understand that there is a visceral reaction that whispers to us that he should die for his crimes, but it is up to us to not appeal to this base reactive response and act in a logical and ethically correct manner. i dont see how we resolve the contradiction of saying that we as a society find killing abhorrent and then kill people as punishment.
it is also very easy to be pro death when you never have to face the consequences of your choice. executions are carried out in the wee hours in front of a handful of witnesses. it is very easy to deal with moral qualms when you are so far removed from the results of your decision. if we as a nation think that executions are morally and ethically correct then they should be held in public for all to see the results of their decision.
otherwise the dirtbags that act outside of the boundaries of society, and that we feel cannot be rehabilitated, should be locked away in a deep hole for the rest of their lives. i feel it is more of a punishment to have your basic freedoms removed forever than to get the quick release of death. |
SO Refugee
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 61
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 5:00 pm: |
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Maybe those public executions would serve as the deterrent the death penalty was "supposed" to be...
I don't care what we do with the criminals as long as they're off the street and being deprived of their basic freedoms.
BTW - don't make assumptions on someone else's life experience. My grandfather served as a death row executioner in GA - one of those that kept Sparky busy - back in the 50s and shared his thoughts many times on the responsibility dealt him. |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 589
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 5:10 pm: |
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i made no assumption based on your life. its not always about you. |
SO Refugee
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 63
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 5:14 pm: |
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One tends to make assumptions when you quote them directly. I'm not that vain, champ. |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 592
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 7:16 pm: |
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then you shouldnt assume. it makes an a** out of you, sport. |
Bill P
Citizen
Username: Mrincredible
Post Number: 112
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 9:31 pm: |
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Back to your corners, both of you.
I hate it when an interesting discussion degrades into name-calling. Champ? Sport? What's next? Kiddo?
Anyway, this is an interesting thread. Gotta hand it to Libertarian when there's such an emotional case in the news. I personally abhor the death penalty but my beliefs were put to the test when Timothy McVeigh was on trial. Standing up for your beliefs in this circumstance is tough.
But yeah, put 'em in a cold, dark hole and let them live with what they've done. Society shouldn't mete out death. |
Dave
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5589
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 9:35 pm: |
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Champ
Sport
Kiddo
then typically follows:
Mister
Buddy
Pal
Swami
Then it really gets ugly:
Chucklehead
Nostradamus
Buzzkiller
At which point Nan starts to lean on me to ban people. |
SO Refugee
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 75
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 9:41 pm: |
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It's funny how you can basically state you agree with a person and they still find a way to piss you off; however,
let me take this opportunity apologize to L1C for anything taken (or given) personally or taken out of context and to those who had to bear witness.
Thanks to Bill and D for the enlightenment.
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anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 1694
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 10:31 pm: |
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Dave: 
Libertarian: I've been reading your posts. Finally I find one with which I agree. You are a true "libertarian" and are consistent in your views and I salute you.
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Parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 1815
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:47 am: |
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What about "Bucko"? |
gj1
Citizen
Username: Gj1
Post Number: 140
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:56 am: |
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Lib - "i feel it is more of a punishment to have your basic freedoms removed forever than to get the quick release of death."
Isn't "life" one of your basic freedoms? |
Mustt_mustt
Citizen
Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 299
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:11 am: |
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Dave,
"Swami" is actually a respectful greeting |
L'Angelo Misterioso
Citizen
Username: Misterioso
Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:13 pm: |
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Then it really gets ugly:
Chucklehead
Nostradamus
Buzzkiller
At which point Nan starts to lean on me to ban people. This would normally slide under the radar as good-humoured ribbing, but considering the ill-will generated in another thread over what constitutes a personal attack and who gets kicked off for making them, to the point that Dave shut the discussion down, the humor in this escapes me. Especially since Nan isn't even involved in this thread. |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 598
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:42 pm: |
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let me take this opportunity apologize to L1C for anything taken (or given) personally or taken out of context and to those who had to bear witness.
accepted and responded in kind. sugar lips.
lol! |
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