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D.
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 5583 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 4:50 pm: |
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It might be time to rethink your chat software.
quote:Although you or the owner of the Content retain ownership of all right, title and interest in Content that you post to any AIM Product, AOL owns all right, title and interest in any compilation, collective work or other derivative work created by AOL using or incorporating this Content. In addition, by posting Content on an AIM Product, you grant AOL, its parent, affiliates, subsidiaries, assigns, agents and licensees the irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide right to reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote this Content in any medium. You waive any right to privacy. You waive any right to inspect or approve uses of the Content or to be compensated for any such uses.
emphasis added http://www.aim.com/tos/tos.adp |
   
Duncan
Supporter Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 3972 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:10 pm: |
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Now thats scary.
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Mark Fuhrman
Citizen Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 1408 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:33 pm: |
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What in heaven's name are they thinking? Their business is damaged enough already--what benefit do they derive from this? |
   
tjohn
Citizen Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2947 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:49 pm: |
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What are some other IM options? I am not too worried about AOL publishing my IM chat, but even so, just for the principle of it... |
   
Dave
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 5593 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 10:31 pm: |
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quote:AOL is trying to get businesses to sign up and actually pay them for it's AIM @ Work offerings with the same Draconian Terms of Service I discussed in my last post. AIM @ Works is really nothing more than some add-on tools to the regular AIM client. One lets you reserve a domain (like Apple does with @mac.com addresses) for a monthly fee. Another enables Outlook address book syncing. All of this is on top of what AIM is really good at, normal text chatting. So they're encouraging businesses to use AIM to discuss details of their business correspondence, even to sync their Outlook contact and calendar files, which, according to their TOS, AOL then has the right to publish in any way they see fit, including, among other things, providing that information to business competitors.
This and initial post a from the guy who broke the initial story: http://www.benstanfield.com/thrash/2005/03/more_on_the_aim.html |
   
Tom Reingold
Supporter Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5844 Registered: 1-2003

| Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:17 am: |
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tjohn, alternatives are MSN, Yahoo IM, and others. But of course, all your friends and correspondents have to use the service you are using in order for it to be useful. We use Yahoo IM at work, for better or worse. |
   
birdbrain
Citizen Username: Birdbrain
Post Number: 75 Registered: 2-2003

| Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:32 am: |
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FWIW, Snopes.com claims this is an Urban Legend, that the new terms of use apply to posts in public areas of AOL, not to IMs. http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/aim.asp
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Tom Reingold
Supporter Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5861 Registered: 1-2003

| Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:52 am: |
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And that means the flurry of objection came about because of AOL's poor choice of words! |
   
Dave
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 5601 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:41 pm: |
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I wonder how this rule applies if an AIM user copied the contents of a private chat onto the public area. From a first reading, it seems to give AOL complete rights over the content and its republication anywhere. |
   
AlleyGater
Citizen Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 145 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:18 am: |
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This is what the sr. engineer of AIM writes about the matter: http://journals.aol.com/juberti/runningman/entries/128 I also thought this comment was poignant that Jeffrey Joslin (who is on one of my lists) said, "Just noting the timing here...this EULA changes right on the heels of AOL's announcement in recent weeks that they will finally reverse several years of closed policy and open up the AIM API to external developers, and no longer fight the likes of Trillian, Gaim etc. So, this may be AOL's [perhaps a bit overzealous] lawyers preparing for having to deal with other upcoming developers' EULAs, ...still keeping claim to rights of unfettered re-use for anything that is sent across their network, not wanting to give up the farm when they open it all up and other entities start asserting similar claims." |
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