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D.
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5583
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 4:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It might be time to rethink your chat software.


quote:

Although you or the owner of the Content retain ownership of all right, title and interest in Content that you post to any AIM Product, AOL owns all right, title and interest in any compilation, collective work or other derivative work created by AOL using or incorporating this Content. In addition, by posting Content on an AIM Product, you grant AOL, its parent, affiliates, subsidiaries, assigns, agents and licensees the irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide right to reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote this Content in any medium. You waive any right to privacy. You waive any right to inspect or approve uses of the Content or to be compensated for any such uses.


emphasis added


http://www.aim.com/tos/tos.adp
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Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers

Post Number: 3972
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now thats scary.

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Mark Fuhrman
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Username: Mfpark

Post Number: 1408
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What in heaven's name are they thinking? Their business is damaged enough already--what benefit do they derive from this?
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2947
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What are some other IM options? I am not too worried about AOL publishing my IM chat, but even so, just for the principle of it...
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5593
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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AOL is trying to get businesses to sign up and actually pay them for it's AIM @ Work offerings with the same Draconian Terms of Service I discussed in my last post.

AIM @ Works is really nothing more than some add-on tools to the regular AIM client. One lets you reserve a domain (like Apple does with @mac.com addresses) for a monthly fee. Another enables Outlook address book syncing. All of this is on top of what AIM is really good at, normal text chatting.

So they're encouraging businesses to use AIM to discuss details of their business correspondence, even to sync their Outlook contact and calendar files, which, according to their TOS, AOL then has the right to publish in any way they see fit, including, among other things, providing that information to business competitors.




This and initial post a from the guy who broke the initial story:
http://www.benstanfield.com/thrash/2005/03/more_on_the_aim.html
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 5844
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

tjohn, alternatives are MSN, Yahoo IM, and others. But of course, all your friends and correspondents have to use the service you are using in order for it to be useful.

We use Yahoo IM at work, for better or worse.
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birdbrain
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Username: Birdbrain

Post Number: 75
Registered: 2-2003


Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FWIW, Snopes.com claims this is an Urban Legend, that the new terms of use apply to posts in public areas of AOL, not to IMs.

http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/aim.asp
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 5861
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Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And that means the flurry of objection came about because of AOL's poor choice of words!
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5601
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder how this rule applies if an AIM user copied the contents of a private chat onto the public area. From a first reading, it seems to give AOL complete rights over the content and its republication anywhere.
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AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater

Post Number: 145
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is what the sr. engineer of AIM writes about the matter:
http://journals.aol.com/juberti/runningman/entries/128

I also thought this comment was poignant that Jeffrey Joslin (who is on one of my lists) said, "Just noting the timing here...this EULA changes right on the heels of AOL's
announcement in recent weeks that they will finally reverse several years of
closed policy and open up the AIM API to external developers, and no longer
fight the likes of Trillian, Gaim etc.

So, this may be AOL's [perhaps a bit overzealous] lawyers preparing for
having to deal with other upcoming developers' EULAs, ...still keeping claim
to rights of unfettered re-use for anything that is sent across their
network, not wanting to give up the farm when they open it all up and other
entities start asserting similar claims."

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