| Author | Message | ||
     TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 497 Registered: 6-2001 |
Food for thought. In the mid '90s there was a restaurant/bar on the West Side of lower Manhattan named Nos Mo King. Food was very good, and for the prices charged, could easily be considered excellent. Good music, a plesantly decorated manor, and easily accessable by foot for locals, and by both public and private transportation for the outsiders. It lasted less than two years. Just wondering why a "quiet well lighted place" with good food would close so quickly. TomR. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 482 Registered: 3-2004 |
could be many reasons. easily accesible but poorly situated for foot traffic. nice place but didnt fit in with the demographics of the area. poorly managed. employee theft. owner had medical expenses. etc........ | ||
| whome Citizen Username: Whome Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2004 |
Being in the restaurant business for 13 years, I have an idea of what most people working in a bar feel about smokers. People in offices don't have to deal with smoke in their faces. | ||
| whome Citizen Username: Whome Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2004 |
I do not believe the gov't should be the one to ban smoking in restaurants. It should be the individual restaurants decision. As Forest would say" That's all I have to say about that." | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 977 Registered: 5-2001 |
Libertarian, You have a teensy ways to go yet before you live up to your MOL moniker. Smokeless tobacco (chew) = 100% Libertarian approved Burning tobacco (cigarettes, cigars) = depends on the venue Lighting up in public places does not support the Libertarian credo. If the consequences of an individuals' smoking results in so much as stinky hair, that's not Libertarian, because it infringes on the rights of non-smokers. Just to be sure, I called up a friend of mine who is an active door-to-door Libertarian and he confirmed my hunch and railed against indoor smokers. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 499 Registered: 3-2004  |
that is his opinion but not a libertarian ideal. libertarians are pro-choice for everything. creating a fascistic law to stop indoor smoking is not pro-choice. i am also an active door-to-door campaigner for libertarian candidates and issues. if you go to the libertarian party website you will see the support the party is lending to stop these anti-smoking laws specifically. wait, i will give you the link instead. http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=174 | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 818 Registered: 6-2001  |
Study: Secondhand smoke causes breast cancer http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/227899-3160-052.html | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 819 Registered: 6-2001 |
More relating to that last article: http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/03/09/otsc.gupta/index.html | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 820 Registered: 6-2001 |
Restaurant Revenues Climb in Smokefree Massachusetts Clean indoor air for workers; A level playing field for businesses Parts excerpted from the Associated Press, 3/9/05 BOSTON -- Business has increased in Massachusetts restaurants since a statewide smokefree workplace law went into effect last July, according to figures released today from the Massachusetts Department of Revenue. Opponents of the clean indoor air law had predicted that business would be hurt if smokers could no longer light up with meals. "Once again, the data shows that the chicken-little scare tactics of tobacco interests do not hold up against reality," says Joe Cherner, founder of BREATHE (Bar and Restaurant Employees Advocating Together for a Healthy Environment). "Every single study published in every single peer reviewed journal comes to the same conclusion." The Department of Revenue found that meal tax receipts were up in each of the last six months of 2004 compared to the same period in 2003, including a 10.6 percent increase in August, the first full month after the law took effect, over the previous August. Gail Anastas, a spokeswoman for the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, which represents about 5,000 food and beverage establishments, said the organization received no complaints from members about a business drop-off after the smokefree workplace law took effect. She said many restaurant owners like the uniformity of the statewide smoking ban. "It leveled the playing field for our members," she said. "Now, nobody has smoking the next town over." | ||
| thoughtful Citizen Username: Thoughtful Post Number: 161 Registered: 6-2001 |
Jamie, That's interesting, considering a few weeks ago the bar owners were complaining that they were losing businesses to private "clubs" that are exempt from the smoking ban. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/01/12/state_looking _to_close_loopholes_in_private_clubs_smoking_ban_exemption/ | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 506 Registered: 3-2004 |
i hate being on the train next to someone who has just eaten garlic. they breathe on me and my clothes end up smelling like garlic. BAN GARLIC FROM PUBLIC PLACES!! same goes for curry, and people who have naturally bad body odor! BAN THEM ALL!!! | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 821 Registered: 6-2001 |
Tobacco industry pays scientists to challenge secondhand smoke's link to infant death risk http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-03/uoc--tip030305.php | ||
| Alonso Mosley Citizen Username: Jack_walsh Post Number: 35 Registered: 2-2005  |
Wouldn't it suck if smoking was banned in cigar bars? | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 514 Registered: 3-2004 |
second hand smoke charade http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-28-98.html | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 823 Registered: 6-2001 |
You're linking to articles from 7 years ago??  | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 515 Registered: 3-2004 |
i didnt realize the truth had a time limit | ||
| JazzMe Citizen Username: Jazzme Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2005  |
Well, I not only frequent but also play in bars and restaurants and I'm tired of having to breathe that crap, shorten my life expectancy, stink until I scrape myself in the shower for 30mn and wash my clothes with bleach, have a stuffy nose and allergies for 3 days, all that simply for having dinner, watching a satellite NFL game, or playing in a smoky place for 3 hours. It further angers me that smokers force that nasty smell and health hazard on kids that happen to be in the room... shame on you! So called free-thinkers and libertarians who fascistically impose their views on others make me sick. "Pro-choice" my butt! That ain't "pro-choice"... with you guys it's "MY choice or NO choice". I smoked for 20 years but I don't think I ever imposed my perverse and masochistic addiction on anyone. If you guys still want to kill yourself, fine; go outside or in a segregated room and let bar/restaurants workers and patrons live longer! I absolutely am FOR seggregated rooms in bars and restaurants. There u go, now you made me mad!  OK maybe not THAT mad...  | ||
| SO Refugee Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 45 Registered: 2-2005  |
and i will say it 1 more time, THERE IS NO MEDICAL PROOF THAT SECOND HAND SMOKE CAUSES DEATH!!! none! learn to do some research and expand your minds beyond the propoganda that is produced by partisan organizations. Proof has never before stopped a libertarian from spreading propaganda... | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 826 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ok, it doesn't cause death - just greatly increases your chances for cancer. And is very harmful to infants. -------------------------------------------- Looks like Philly might go smokefree: Philadelphia to Vote on Smokefree Workplace Law Close vote expected on Thursday, but clean air likely to win On Thursday (March 17) the Philadelphia City Council will vote on smokefree workplace legislation. The proposal may have just enough votes for passage, or may be one vote shy. It's that close. Mayor Street believes he has the nine yes votes needed to win, but just to make sure, he will lobby the undecideds. "I suspect that there will be a lot of jockeying that will take place over the next week, and to the extent that I can be supportive, I will be supportive." Hundreds of cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Boston, and San Francisco have passed smokefree workplace legislation. Philadelphia is the nation's 5th largest city. | ||
| jamie Moderator Username: Jamie Post Number: 827 Registered: 6-2001 |
Sounds like we have out vote on Monday: NJ EDITORIAL: Providing Clean Indoor Air Smokefree workplace legislation is a matter of public health and worker safety Parts excepted from the Bergen Record, 3/10/05 THE long-running battle to provide clean indoor air in New Jersey's bars and restaurants reaches a pivotal moment on Monday, when the Senate health committee is scheduled to vote. The sooner New Jersey is smoke-free, the better. There is also talk of adding Atlantic City casinos to the proposed smokefree workplace law. That could make the proposal a harder sell, but it's a good idea. The last time a law was tried, two years ago, casinos were the stumbling block and the effort stalled. But health advocates say they are more optimistic this time around. That's because acting Governor Codey supports a smokefree workplace law and wants casinos included. More good fortune: The new health commissioner, Dr. Fred Jacobs, is a lung disease specialist who says a state smokefree workplace law is high on his agenda. "They already have smokefree workplace laws in New York, Massachusetts, Delaware ... Italy, Ireland and even Cuba," he said recently. "Give me a break!" Economic news from other states and cities with smokefree workplace laws, such as New York, shows there are no major adverse effects. The bar and restaurant industry in New York City is "thriving," according to a city report on the first anniversary of the ban, and 150,000 workers are no longer exposed to cancer-causing secondhand smoke on the job. If New York, Delaware, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and Maine can pass smokefree workplace laws, then why not New Jersey? Why does the state continue to insist on protecting the rights of smokers at the expense of the health of the rest of us? It's not only customers who are affected by other patrons' smoking; it's especially bartenders, waiters and waitresses, casino workers and managers. The potentially lethal effects of secondhand smoke are common knowledge now. California scientists this week say they have found evidence that secondhand smoke causes breast cancer, a dramatic finding that, if borne out, will focus new attention on smoking and public health. The American Cancer Society and other advocacy groups have launched a big campaign to reach legislators and let them know that three-quarters of New Jersey residents favor a ban. They point to the news that tobacco giant Philip Morris, which led the charge against smoking bans in other states, recently decided to call it quits. Maybe Philip Morris has seen the writing on the wall. Let's hope all opponents of making New Jersey a smoke-free state will see it, too. Then we can all take a deep statewide breath. To send a letter in support of smokefree New Jersey, go to www.smokefree.net/NJ Joseph W. Cherner |
