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Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 8002
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 1:47 pm: | 
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Dave, easy.
Conservative Southerners go for baseball caps, full beards and pony tails, the latter if they are progressive enough to have given up their mullet. 
Of course in the north it is just the opposite, sans the mullets, at least for guys. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 8006
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 5:14 pm: |
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The picture is in the NY Post today. I am, as usual correct. |
Carrie Avery
Citizen
Username: Carrie33
Post Number: 258
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 6:25 pm: |
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If I were Terri Schiavo I would have preferred to go a long time ago. Please, what is the point exactly if I am in that state? To whom is it benefiting? Not to appear insensitive, but if it were YOU, what would you want? I know that I have a will that will state what I want in case of this, and this important for others to learn from. Just think about it., regardless of what your fellow politician is doing. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 3345
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 6:53 pm: |
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Now, Judge Greer has been asked to leave his church in FL, and he's accepted the suggestion. The story below cites other 'unrelated' disagreements he had with his church. Still, this is truly sad and reflects quite poorly on that congregation. I'd use other words, but that wouldn't be 'biblical,' and I say that as someone who wanted a full and final inquiry into Terry's circumstances as asked for by Congress.
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/22/Tampabay/Judge_Greer_parts_way.shtml
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tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2988
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 6:58 pm: |
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If Terri Schiavo had left notarized documents stating that she would not want to remain alive in a permanent vegetative state, how many would object to the removal of the feeding tube?
If you would not object, then this is not an argument of principles but instead a taking of sides with either the husband or the parents or some second-guessing of doctors who just might know what they are doing.
And for politicians, of course, this is not about Terri Schiavo at all. It is some extension of the culture war that is destroying much and building nothing. |
SO Refugee
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 90
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 7:00 pm: |
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I guess the church forgot to ask themselves WWJD? |
mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 800
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 11:59 am: |
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Saddest fight is yet to come. Today's paper reports that Terri is to be cremated and her remains shipped to PA for burial in the Schivo family plot. The parents wanted her buried near them in Florida.
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 805
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 3:23 pm: |
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mtierney
This information isn't new. Michael has been saying he's going to have Terri cremated for years now. Bob and Mary are against this because they insist the only reason Michael wants this done is to cover up abusing Terri.
The abuse allegations were brought up several times, years ago, and investigated more then once over the years. They were not found to be true. I understand from what I've read in the papers, heard on the news and read on some of the boards I frequent, Whether Michael likes it or not, Florida can perform an autopsy before she is cremated.
Can you imagine what will happen if she is buried somewhere? He grave will turn into a tourist attraction. Not good. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 3351
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 5:31 pm: |
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Five stranded elk shot; they faced slow starvation
The Salt Lake Tribune, by Brett Prettyman
I didn't link to the story, but just on the surface this makes no sense. We're told that starvation isn't painful, and can be downright euphoric. They went and ruined a perfectly good buzz for those elk that could have gone on for days. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 8015
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 6:00 pm: |
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So, Cjc, are you advocating active euthenasia for the terminally ill? Or comparing human and animal life for that matter?
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tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2995
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 7:04 pm: |
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It occurs to me that we shoot starving animals because it makes us uncomfortable to see them, not out of any particular compassion for the animals.
I believe that once you reach an advanced state of starvation, you are pretty much in a daze and it probably isn't that painful aside from a realization of what is happening to you. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 3354
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 7:07 pm: |
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No, BobK, but that might be a good discussion. I was really just applying all the cool stuff I learned from the Schiavo story.
I think Terry's eventual death makes some people feel better as well. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2996
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 7:16 pm: |
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Why would Terry's physical death make anybody feel better. By virtually all medical accounts, she is essentially dead already and that is why they are removing the feeding tube.
What most people care about in this case are one or two things:
1. Keeping the government out of private matters.
2. Who is the legitimate guardian of one's spouse. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 1150
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 7:20 pm: |
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it doesn't make anyone feel better. but I suspect that thinking it does makes some other people feel better. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 3356
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 12:43 am: |
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Give me a break. If I hear one more time "I know if I were in that situation, I'd want...I'd like...I'd think....I...I...I." Who the heck cares what you'd think or want or care about?!? It's really not about YOU, although YOU'd like to insert YOU into the situation.
I'm not saying most people are doing cartwheels at Terry's eventual death. But wanting this scenario play out with personal desires has absolutely NOTHING to do with the real people involved here. To a large extent, it's easier and more comfortable to believe in the position of Terry needing to die because you'd want the same thing yourself. |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 524
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 8:40 am: |
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To a large extent, it's easier and more comfortable to believe in the position of Terry needing to die because you'd want the same thing yourself.
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tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 3012
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 8:51 am: |
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Give me a break. If I hear one more time "I know if I were in that situation, I'd want...I'd like...I'd think....I...I...I." Who the heck cares what you'd think or want or care about?!? It's really not about YOU, although YOU'd like to insert YOU into the situation. "
Well said CJC. And it seems like the wind socks in Washington, D.C. finally understand this because the yammering down that way has diminished in response to public opinion polls. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 8023
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 8:58 am: |
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Over the weekend it was sad to see how Terri's supporters turned on the politicians who supported the cause of her parents. Brother Paul of the Franciscan Brothers of Peace called on Jeb Bush to use his "powers" (which constitutionaly he doesn't have) to take the poor woman into "protective custody". If he fails to do that the Brother indicated that he will be judged by a higher power (which sounds like a condemnation to Hell or at least a few millinium in Purgatory). In addition supporter of the Schindler family will be on Capitol Hill this morning trying to scare up support from Congress.
From some of their comments the brighter supporters, including Terri's brother, appear to be comingt to the conclusion that they have been used for political purposes. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 1151
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 9:03 am: |
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no, I don't think anyone is "comfortable" regarding the Schiavo case.
but perhaps it IS easier to believe the witnesses who said at the court hearings that Terri Schiavo stated she would want to have life support removed, because that IS the response that the overwhelming majority of us would give. why do Michael Schiavo's opponents continue to believe Terri would never have expressed such a belief, when almost all of us say that when the issue comes up? and if she did express that sentiment, then according to FL law, her husband has the right to have her feeding tube removed.
and that's what this is about - in FL, if the patient has expressed a clear wish not to have his/her life prolonged under these circumstances, life support can be withdrawn. and the evidence that she did express that was strong enough to convince a host of judges.
if anyone doesn't like how this has played out in this case, they should try to get the law changed. but good luck, since virtually all of the rest of us don't want it changed. we want to have the choice to die with some dignity, instead of forcing our loved ones to see us in a bed, with no vestiges of our former selves left, withering for perhaps decades before we finally succumb. |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 525
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 10:03 am: |
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Here's a great link from an unbiased blogger.
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html#init
Good read. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1602
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 10:35 am: |
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Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo wasn't to be removed from her hospice, a team of Florida law enforcement agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted — but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Miami Herald has learned.
....For a brief period, local police, who have officers around the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called a showdown.
...."It was kind of a showdown on the part of the locals and the state police," the official said. "It was not too long after that Jeb Bush was on TV saying that, evidently, he doesn't have as much authority as people think."
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