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     mickey Citizen Username: Mickey Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2001 |
Art, what's up with the large font? If we all did that it would take forever to scroll through a thread. Are you passionate in your opinion, or did you misplace your reading glasses?  | ||
| Meandtheboys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 405 Registered: 12-2004  |
Armchair quarterbacks, every one of us. None of us can say what we would do because none of us are living through this horrible situation. Hopefully, none of us ever will. las: you are, of course, the exception to the above. My heart goes out to you, your mother, your father and your entire family. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 4034 Registered: 5-2001  |
As someone else said (sorry, too lazy to scroll back up), talk to your parents, your spouse and your older children about what you and they want. Put your wishes in writing in the form of a living will and sign & notarize a healthcare power of attorney. Not all states recognize living wills. My mother and I have had this conversation, given her recent diagnosis. She has appointed me her healthcare POA because I will be able to carry out her wishes and my brothers may not be able to. It will rip my heart out (and hopefully I will have LAS's strength and grace) should it come to that. But, she does not want to live if she cannot live. I have no opinion on the Schaivo case. OK, I do, but not one I would share. That would violate my belief that it is a personal matter, a tragedy no matter what and, outside the family, not for anyone else to decide. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3609 Registered: 9-2001  |
Las, to each his own.... IMHO, starving his x-wife is disgraceful! Taking a life is playing God.... Inserting a feeding tube to prolong life, is saving a life, and when the body dies it's dead, not a second before. Terry's brain is Terry's brain, not yours or anyone's else. I don't believe anyone really knows if her brain is really dead or just sleeping... What is controlling her eyes, her lungs, and all her other body functions if not the brain? If she had used her brain 15 years ago to write a Living Will, the world would hopefully have honored it. Therefore, I have to believe if she really wanted what her husband now claims she did, she would have put it in her Will. My mother died March 1, 1988 and I still miss her dearly. If a feeding tube would have kept her alive, she would have wanted it. I too would have done what ever it took to prolong her life, no matter what... Again, to each his own... and that's the point here! Las, I believe you when you said you weren't playing God by trying to have your mother's tube removed, and Terry's parents have told the world they're not trying to play God by allowing her feeding tube to stay in... Finally, maybe you can tell us what you think the difference is between an over zealot hospital administrator and an over zealot Judge, both who get their own way. Micky, I'm an ARTist, and MOL is my pallet... does that help you? BTW Tjohn, the universe is Gods playpen, not just The Garden of Eden. If you don't like God's pastime maybe you should pack up your toys and leave. | ||
| Lucky13 Citizen Username: Lucky13 Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2005 |
It's "interesting" to me how the right-wing demagogues have nothing, and I repeat nothing, to say about other cases involving Blacks or immigrants where those same right-wingers taxes must pay for the futile care: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3073295 http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3084934 | ||
| jonnyt Citizen Username: Jonnyt Post Number: 164 Registered: 6-2001 |
pallet a portable platform for storing or moving goods that are stacked on it | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3610 Registered: 9-2001 |
Really Lucky, thank you for sharing. Please allow me to return the favor... I find it even more interesting how the left-wing demagogues have so much to say, yet care so little for human life, all the way from the womb to the tomb... IMHO, this problem shouldn't be so political or judicial, and it really isn't about race or money either... If parents want to keep their children alive, and can afford to do so, then let them. It's just that simple. However, regardless of all this public fan fare, if anyone must make the decision, it should be the people through our legislative process, not our appointed judges. BTW JohnnyT, thanks for the help but I don't use my palette on MOL. I move and store so much information around here I find my pallet works best... | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2963 Registered: 12-2001  |
-- BTW Tjohn, the universe is Gods playpen, not just The Garden of Eden. If you don't like God's pastime maybe you should pack up your toys and leave. -- What is God's pastime? | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 7954 Registered: 5-2001 |
All the medical evidence is that the poor woman is a flatliner. Any reactions she has are from the cortex area and are basically at the level of a worm in that she will react to light or to noise. It is horrible because the parents interpret this to mean that she is still a thinking, feeling human being. Unfortunately, Terry doesn't live there any more. Let her go to her God. | ||
| las Citizen Username: Las Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2003 |
Amen, Bobk. | ||
| luv2cruise Citizen Username: Luv2cruise Post Number: 334 Registered: 12-2002 |
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| LibraryLady(ncjanow) Supporter Username: Librarylady Post Number: 2320 Registered: 5-2001  |
If one believes it is against God's will to interfere, than why did they interfere initally and put in a feeding tube? The hyprocricy reminds me of the couples who spend 100 of thousands of dollars for IVF because they are infertile, end up with 6 or 8 embryos and then refuse to selectivly abort because its "against God's will and a sin" If their God wanted them to have a litter of kids , they wouldn't be infertile to begin with. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3611 Registered: 9-2001 |
"What is God's pastime?" I'm not really sure Tjohn, but I suspect it's keeping an eye on turkey's like all of us who are trying to take his/her job away... BTW Bob, all this medical evidence means nothing, that is nothing other than what people make it mean... Listen, try this on. Life is empty and meaningless, and it doesn't mean anything that it's empty and meaningless. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3612 Registered: 9-2001 |
“If one believes it is against God's will to interfere, than why did they interfere initially and put in a feeding tube?” The obvious answer was and still is to help save her life. If any of you believe there is a God, then you know in your heart that if God really wants her, the feeding tube wouldn’t stop Him/Her from taking her. For those of you who don’t believe in a God, I guess you should all bow to The Killing Judge who is the Supreme Human Being in this matter. Now that would be hypocrisy...  | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 1707 Registered: 6-2002 |
"BTW Bob, all this medical evidence means nothing, that is nothing other than what people make it mean..." Well then, how should a decision be made? "However, regardless of all this public fan fare, if anyone must make the decision, it should be the people through our legislative process, not our appointed judges." So everytime there is one of these cases, Congress should be called into session? As I understand, the State of Florida has relevant laws passed by its legislature. Pursuant to those laws someone went into Court for a ruling. The Court considered all the evidence and made a decision and that decision was subject to the Appellate process. How else are things supposed to work? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3613 Registered: 9-2001 |
”Well then, how should a decision be made?” The decision was made along time ago. It’s called the “Hippocratic Oath” taken by medical graduates and sets forth their ethical code of justice... ”So every time there is one of these cases, Congress should be called into session?” No Anon, just one time... | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 1711 Registered: 6-2002 |
The Hippocratic Oath says "Do no harm". Las says that her mother's physicians did her mother harm by insisting on continuing the feeding tube against the family's wishes, and against the wishes she herself had expressed. When there is a difference of opinion among family members and medical professionals there is no way to make a decision other than through the judicial process. Members of Congress are grandstanding. The case in question has been going on for years and they never saw any reason to get involved until now. Why should Congress get involved at all? We have 50 States and 50 State Legislatures. Shouldn't these issues be decided at the State level? The position of the Republican Party and most "conservatives" on abortion is that Roe v. Wade should be reversed so that each State can decide what to do about abortion. While I was growing up, so-called "conservatives" opposed the Federal Government doing anything with regard to the oppression and even murder of Black people in the South because it would interfere with "States Rights". Now, all of a sudden, "States Rights" don't matter when ceratin politicians decide to pander to the "Religious Right". | ||
| Dave Moderator Username: Dave Post Number: 5655 Registered: 4-1997  |
I don't see how removing artificial means of sustaining life is against the Hippocratic oath at all. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3617 Registered: 9-2001 |
What Las says has nothing to do with this case, so please try and leave Las and his/her mother out of this. Give it up Anon, everything I’m talking about is based on having a Living Will, not politics, not religion, and not the judicial system… When there is a difference of opinion among family members and medical professionals we need to go to either the video tape, or a Living Will. In case anyone finds themselves in a similar circumstance, and they want no means of continuing life support of any kind, they should have spelled it out in a Living Will. Unfortunately, for everyone involved, there is none in Terry’s case. Listen, let me try and keep this as simple as possible; it doesn’t matter what her husband says, that’s just hearsay. If she didn’t put it in writing it didn’t happen. Maybe this will send a message to all you folks who talk the talk, but are unable to actually walk the walk. If you’re unwilling or unable to muster the courage to basically sign your own death warrant, then you shouldn’t be signing Terry’s either. IMHO, what all reasonable people need to consider is that some judge has taken it upon himself to kill this woman against her parent’s wishes. FWIW, this is akin to murder in my book. This is a fascinating subject and I would really like to know how many people engaged in this conversation have a Living Will? Allow me to get the ball rolling... I want to be kept alive until they find a way for people to live forever. Therefore, I don’t have a Living Will. "I don't see how removing artificial means of sustaining life is against the Hippocratic oath at all." Look deeper Dave, much deeper, and apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to your ability and judgment; and keep them from harm and injustice ... | ||
| Andrew N de la Torre Citizen Username: Delatorre Post Number: 314 Registered: 2-2003 |
Then let her parent's pay for the cost of keeping her alive. Some how I think the parents are treating themselves more than this unfortunate patient. I wonder what the cost per year to care for this woman is? Unfortunately sometimes the best of intentions result in misguided actions. |
