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mem
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Username: Mem

Post Number: 1809
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

5 more shopping days!
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ReallyTrying
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Username: Reallytrying

Post Number: 109
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 3:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Until what? Your birthday?
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#9Dream
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Username: 9dream

Post Number: 484
Registered: 12-2002


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 3:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To me, Jeb's post reads like "Nyeah nyeah, I moved to Summit, nyeah nyeah!"

Jeb, that's great. Summit is a very nice town. I hope you will be happy there. But if you disliked Maplewood so much, I suggest you let go. Or does feeling like you are rubbing people's noses in it provide you with some pleasure?
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overtaxdalready
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Username: Overtaxdalready

Post Number: 161
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or maybe he just regrets moving, and this is an attempt to justify to himself that it was the right thing to do.
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Hank Zona
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Username: Hankzona

Post Number: 664
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jeb,

Bad day?, you asked. Im having a fine day..thanks for asking. Im not defensive since I never feel a need to defend why I live in Maplewood, to anyone, and yes, especially to anyone who has lived here and left. I live here as a matter of personal choice and preference, similar to why you moved. Im fully aware of the positives and the negatives, and Im here because the positives clearly outweigh the negatives to me and my family. You exercised your personal choice to leave, clearly stating your reasons, after having lived here for some amount of time. I am sure in that time, you were able to hear from folks why they stay and why they leave. Many who've read your posts question why you care now about those exercising their choices to stay.

And "somewhat childish"? Well if you read "youre not welcome on MOL any longer" into my comments, then I can see how youd misinterpret the tone of what I said. To me, ascertaining the reasons people live in your current town is more relevant than the reasons they stay in your former town. That is hardly telling you to not come around MOL any longer. Enjoy Summit..its a good town...bye.
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cugene
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Username: Cugene

Post Number: 60
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Regardless where you move they have corrution too. It's funny how when people move out of Maplewood they bad mouth the town like it's such a bad town. Maplewood is not a bad town yes things are changing but what are you gonna do. There is corruption in other towns too which you may not hear about.
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Insite
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Username: Insite

Post Number: 90
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 5:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can't blame Jeb for attacking Maplewood. The town has become far to radical liberal, and as a result within a few years serious problems will result. We are going to see taxes increase, services decrease, as is always the case when the left gets ahold of policy. For now, with the recent dismissal of Ryan/ Deluca things could improve in the short turn. In the end though, we're going to see other Ryan/ Deluca stooge leadership take over the TC. Unless of course we can scare the liberal left into believing Maplewood will be the next Irvington. This could get the spoon in the mouth trust fund babies running for the hill.

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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 4884
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 5:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Evolving into the classic "liberal" argument. Excellent. Let's check if Irvington has WMD, too, eh?
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 1594
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Insite is definitely on to something. For years now, I have been warning of the radical liberals operating in league with the gangs and drug-dealers of Irvington to raise taxes and cut services.
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ml1
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Username: Ml1

Post Number: 1126
Registered: 5-2002


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wrong Dave,
it was the classic "radical liberal" argument. But enough for now, I've got to leave for my Maplewood Socialist Workers' Party meeting over at the collective...

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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 333
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 5:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Insite: Is that what happened in Park Slope to get people to move in droves to Maplewood? Ask anyone who used to live in Newark or Irvington. They weren't always gang infestested, drug-dealing lawless places. I am all for balance but I think Chatham, Summit and Millburn need more liberals, not Maplewood.
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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 1057
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hm, higher taxes AND lower services -- where do you think the money is going?

Do the conservatives promise lower taxes and higher services?
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Jackie Day
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Username: Zoesky1

Post Number: 46
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have an interesting take on this conversation (or so I think so). I lived in Maplewood for four years, then moved to Warren last year seeking lower taxes, good schools, more land, etc. I got all that, and I did like the town a lot, but it was just not the same. Couldn't walk anywhere, never really met the neighbors, and wasn't really all that peaceful given the fact that no house on our street had less than 1.5 acres...you'd expect complete quiet but there were teenagers dragracing around in their dads' BMWs and Lexuses (Lexi?) or preteens on ATVs. Not peaceful. Moreover, though I did get to know Somerset County and its attributes (village of Basking Ridge; Great Swamp; some nice parks; horses all over the place), I felt like I was in the middle of nowhere. For personal reasons, I sold the house in Warren and recently moved back here to Maplewood to be among good friends and to be in a familiar place closer to the city where I could walk to shops and meet neighbors, etc. My taxes are about $1500 more than they were in Warren for a much smaller home on a much, much smaller lot (I had almost 2 acres in Warren). However, after just one month I have been welcomed VERY warmly to the block by my neighbors -- some of whom have offered to help me lift things, etc (I am a newly single mom) -- and enjoy a 5-minute walk to the village, which I do regularly with my kids and dog. We couldn't ask for a better place to live. We have friends looking out for us, neighbors we know and trust, and a great street with beautiful homes and trees.And after experiencing a new home in Warren, I have to say I prefer my 1930s-vintage one.

In sum, I was one of those tax-bashers who fled to greener pastures (Warren), and yet now here I am back, eating my words in exchange for the comforts of this town. Summit is beautiful (in fact it was the closest "walking town" to me in Warren, so I got to know it), but I chose to return to Maplewood.

Good day!
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Flt
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Username: Flt

Post Number: 62
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I lived in Summit and moved to Maplewood. Summit was filled with too many people who were a bit too full of themselves and there was no real diversity to speak of. Sure, it's a nice town on the surface, but it's ALL surface.
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jeb
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Username: Jeb

Post Number: 97
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello, Hank!

Why Summit?

Lower taxes, downtown offers much more than Maplewood, no rent control, does not border Irvington, is out of Essex county, better schools,
huge art center which is expanding, clean parks, Springfield Avenue without pushers, trains with seats, more town services, less politically correct, better bond rating and a town council that does not embarress me...

The only drawback is they don't have a great site like MaplewoodOnline.


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ashear
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Username: Ashear

Post Number: 659
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Flt. I lived in Summit for three years and agree with you 100%. I would not move back to Summit for anything. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 335
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Then our diversity is costing a lot in terms of taxes, higher crime, littered parks, failing schools (for 20%) and a poor bond rating vs. a few snooty people. I guess that's why our esteemed senator lives in Summit.
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shestheone
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Username: Shestheone

Post Number: 28
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

insight,
perhaps you should join jeb in summit.

hey, is that where strawberry has gone?
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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 336
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nah... only wishful thinking on your part to ensure your narrowly defined expensive diversity which of course, doesn't include Strawberry.
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero

Post Number: 1833
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So far, this thread has shown two things.

First, some people have vague complaints about "diversity" or things they call "liberal"; really not sure what the specifics of their complaints are, though.

Second, and more important, there are a lot of people here who normally have very differing viewpoints on all sorts of issues. When it comes to loving this town, though, there's a lot of agreement. I guess that shows that (for most of us) There are a lot more things that we have in common, than on which we differ.

As for the topic, this issue seems to come up every once in a while. The following is something I posted last September, when the discussion on this board was: "What's Great About Living in Maplewood":
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I think this is a pretty special place; I think the testimonials in this thread support that view. I'm neither a "native" nor formerly from Park Slope - I grew up in Bergen County, and can attest to the fact that suburban towns can be very different from one another. Some of the highlights here for me are:

The small town (some would say "corny") aspects of life here - the Fourth of July activities; the Memorial Day parade and ceremony where it seems everyone is there; youth sports and activities of every conceivable type; summertime concerts and "happenings" in the park; kids walking to school, or bicycling to a practice or the town pool.

Someone earlier mentioned the fact that this is a "compact" community - I think that plays a big part in making this a place where people can be involved in so many interesting activities.

This is a place where your bank account or job title are not the most important facts about you.

Some people above have mentioned the elementary schools - as a parent of students in the high school and middle school, I'm very happy with the education and the opportunities available to students in those schools, as well.

It's a place where just "being here" can be entertainment - nothing beats strolling to the center of town on a Saturday to run errands and see who might be around. Many's the time I've wound up in conversation with an elected official, or someone involved in an activity I'm interested in, while ambling around the village or the park.

I defy anyone to be bored here - there are so many volunteer organizations, service groups, and performing groups to join or watch. I would add that all of the organizations I have encountered have always been open and welcoming to new members.

I think the lively and informative discussions on this message board are a sign of a very healthy community, and a reflection of all of the positive attributes which have been discussed in this thread.

Finally, I'm constantly amazed at the variety of interesting people it's been my pleasure to meet here in Maplewood (and on MOL :-)).

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