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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 4959
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Sunday, August 3, 2003 - 11:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/quotes.htm#poison
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mayhewdrive
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 324
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 10:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am absolutely amazed that the media has given Bush a free ride.

When Clinton was President, there would be a soundbite of him on the news virtually every night with his reaction to various world events, or even celebrity deaths, etc. Clinton had such a powerful way of speaking that his resonses always managed to sound empathetic and unique.

With Bush, you never see him speaking "extemporaneously", for when you do, he sounds completely clueless or obvious. More often, I see newscasters reading what Bush says as opposed to showing the actual clip of him saying it.

I think if we saw more frequent soundbites of him actually speaking, people would get a better sense of what a nitwit he really is.
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Charles A. Moody
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Username: Chedron

Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 10:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You think Bush is a nitwit? Holy ignorance.
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zoe
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Username: Zoe

Post Number: 290
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 11:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mayhew Drive, "I am absolutely amazed that the media has given Bush a free ride." What are you talkng about?
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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 1086
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 1:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Charles, you're going to have to do a lot better than post "holy ignorance" on every thread if you're going to carry your weight around these parts.
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johnny
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Username: Johnny

Post Number: 694
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 1:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the immortal words of Al Sharpton, "Stay out the bushes!!"
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Charles A. Moody
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Username: Chedron

Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 2:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

holy ignorance batman?

Can someone tell me how I change my name to the user name I picked? I wasn't intending on having my real name broadcast. Not a big deal, but again, is there a way to change it?
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 1331
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 2:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Click on your name. It sends you to your Profile. Click on Edit profile.
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Mr. Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 320
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 5:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brett, so it sounds like you're saying that if you were born with a hammer in your hand, you'd see all the world's problems as a bunch of nails. The problem is that it isn't always a bunch of nails. Sometimes there are seedlings to be tended, and a hammer is a blunt instrument. I appreciate the need for the military, but I don't think that our problem is that we don't use our might often enough. Therefore, I don't think the viewpoint that springs forth from the military is the only one to consider.

Tom Reingold


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Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa

Post Number: 27
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That’s why I said “sometimes we do need to go to war”. I don’t think it’s always the right answer. I bet there aren’t many people that would say the WWII or the revolutionary war was wrong, or something a warmongering president was doing. Now I’m not comparing the war in Iraq to the revolutionary war, but given time maybe the outcome will be beneficial.

I think that the US government did what it could to fix the Iraq issue and finally said “That’s it we’re going to have to kill the guy, he won’t listen”.
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anon
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Username: Anon

Post Number: 743
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave: My apologies. I stand corrected. Of course, Lady Astor was an American, as was Churchill's mother.
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Mary Gallagher
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Username: Mary_g

Post Number: 43
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mayhewdrive

My basic view of Bush as an idiot vies with a cogent case made by Mark Crispin Miller in The Bush Dyslexicon that he is not really so stupid as he seems but that he is a fundamentally nasty guy who can speak quite clearly in that vein and on topics he truly cares about, like tax cuts. In Miller's view, Bush stumbles verbally when he tries to feign concern and compassion, such as when he speaks of putting "food on your family" because he really doesn't give a damn about that. Of course, that doesn't explain Bush's inability to pronounce the word "nuclear."

Brett, while I value the desire of those in the armed forces to protect and serve their country, I fear that the all-too-human tendency, the psychological imperative even, to believe in the value of one's own efforts can warp one's perspective. I have certainly seen that in my practice of law where it seems many if not most lawyers come to identify with the goals and interests of a particular client or category of client in a way that transcends monetary compensation.} They go beyond being hired guns to being true believers in the positions they advocate.

In the case of soldiers it might predispose them to see armed conflict as a more valid approach in because it justifies their own role. Just a thought. }

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Nlanzieri
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Username: Nlanzieri

Post Number: 142
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 3:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My beef with Bush is that with all of the money, power, friends and family in high places, no one has ever suggested that he take a public speaking course. There are many topics that politicians do not feel passion about yet most of them seem to come accross like they do. Bush is passionate about some things as you say Mary Gallagher but even the things he is passionate about he doesnt seem deliver very well when he is talking about them at least to the public. I find myself finishing his sentences before he does. His speaking style is very predictable and lack the content yet I know what he is trying to say so I fill in the blanks... Take a public speaking course George, bang your hand on the podium, shake your fist, do whatever it takes to get the words out man, but deliver it with confidence....

Yes, I am a republican, but that doesnt mean I do not see the writing on the wall.

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Charles A. Moody
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Username: Chedron

Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 4:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I must say after one day on Maplewood On Line, what I see is discouraging. Here we have situations where:

1)we're moving closer to war in North Korea, possibly.

2)Iran is planning to test missile's against the demands of the U.N.

3)Liberia is out of control and the U.S. is involved.

4)We also continue our hunt for WOMD, Hussein and Bin laden.


5) Recent tax cuts have a chance to fuel or damage our economy, this is to be determined.

6) We have an election beginning to heat up and a liberal Howard Dean is making tremendous waves. He's even on the cover of Time magazine. Truly, a surprising development.

7) Peace in the middle east is being discussed, with a new Palistinian leader for the first time.

8) More terror attacks in Indonesia.

9) More threats from Al Qadea and once again the airlines seems to be the target.


Also, let's not forget our troops in Iraq are under deadly fire everyday.

All this and all I see on MOL is Bush is an idiot, he can't speak, and Wallmart is somehow responsible for all this. Mind numbing useless chatter. Bush is no Reagan or Kennedy when it comes to public speaking but neither was Truman.
He's also been a Governor, and President and a successful million dollar businessman who has degrees from harvard and Yale. This is a tremendous resume, and very smart man. To those who still think Bush is an idiot, I would say chances are you may be one also.

I thought I was dealing with an intelligent on line community from what my wife told me. Boy, was she wrong. Some of you posters are a disgrace. Is there not a moderator out there, who might do something to at least turn this forum into one where some of us can learn something?

I mean, other then wise cracks and jabs, I found nothing enlightening yesterday. Maybe today will be different.

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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 1618
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 6:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dearest Charles,

1. The Bush Administration (with help from previous governments since the 1953 cease-fire) has made the Korean situation even worse that it should be. The N. Koreans are insane and our government has really not made consistent efforts to deal with this reality for reasons of domestic politics. Now, the reality has caught up with us.

5. Tax cuts have been argued off and on. The last time I checked, however, the cuts were passed.

6. Maybe it's a bit too early to start vigorously arguing te 2004 presidential race.

9. The threat from Al Qaeda is continuous. Only Ashcroft and the press seem to think that the threat waxes and wanes in response to statements from Al Qaeda.

Overall, however, I have to congratulate you on posting a message that belittles the intelligence of the entire MOL community. Traditionally, collective insults have been more specific. For example, Strawberry (please come back) routinely insulted the intelligence of "liberals" whatever a liberal actually is.

With regard to moderation, Dave does a fine job. I assume you have seen unmoderated boards where the crudeness of the contributions hovers between the gutter and the sewer.
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero

Post Number: 1905
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 8:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yesterday was Monday. You know how Mondays are.

Give it a little more time, and don't forget that the Board is no better than the sum of all of the contributions by posters. Besides, what's wrong with a little "venting" now and then?

Tjohn, I wouldn't worry about Strawberry - I'm sure he's among us under a different guise.
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mayhewdrive
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 325
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 9:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Charles,

"To those who still think Bush is an idiot, I would say chances are you may be one also."

In your brilliant words: "Holy ignorance"

You come on this board posting "holy ignorance" on every thread & then have the nerve to criticize the depth of dialog here!

While I don't always agree with things said here, the depth & breadth of conversation on MOL is really quite impressive.

BTW...Dave does an outstanding job of moderating. There is such a thing as free speech & Dave intervenes when the line between free speech & bad taste is crossed.
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algebra2
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Username: Algebra2

Post Number: 1122
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 9:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Charles ... maybe you should get acquainted with the community before you go slamming the moderator. Holy ingnorance is right!
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Jackie Day
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Username: Zoesky1

Post Number: 61
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 10:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with anyone who says Bush is an idiot. (For a laugh at his expense, check out David Letterman's recent "George Bush Jokes or Not Jokes" bits almost every night.) But I don't think Dean has a chance in hell of winning a presidential election. Us Democrats must go with a more "electable" guy, such as Kerry. Dean (and I admit I admire much about him) is too far left to ever get elected. We need a more Clintonian Democrat, someone more moderate to pull in all those socially moderate people. Dean is not going anywhere, in my opinion, even though he's garnering a lot of attention right now. In my humble opinion, I think the reason everyone's excited about him right now is because we're all starved for some rationality and intelligence after 2 years of Bush.
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 4966
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 10:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Classic Strawberry post.

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