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duncanrogers
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers

Post Number: 678
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its a medieval cheer! Similar to "right on!"

Often preceded by Hip Hip
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc

Post Number: 1750
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Duncan... On the topic, does anyone watching the TC meetings really think it's Profeta vs DeLuca/Ryan at Town Meeting, or the other way around? Who's going after who? And, how about Ian and David?

I'll tell you one thing, it all makes for interesting viewing!
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lseltzer
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Username: Lseltzer

Post Number: 1668
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been told by someone who ought to know that I have it backwards WRT the attitude of the state, aid and surpluses. State aid, so I am told, isn't awarded unless a town makes a good case about needing it to lower taxes.

This wasn't my impression before, but I trust my source.
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anon
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Username: Anon

Post Number: 762
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 1:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can't the members of the TC have an honest disagreement over fiscal policy without you folks thinking it is "bad blood" or something personal?
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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois

Post Number: 10173
Registered: 10-2001


Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is no way that this particular part of the meeting could be described as an honest disagreement. For those who didn't see it, the budget discussion was enlivened by Mr. DeLuca's reading of a prepared statement in which he openly questioned and attacked Mr. Profeta over details that were contained in the It's the Taxes Stupid letter.

The budget discussion could have been a healthy review over the budget details. Instead it degenerated into an ugly, unnecessary bit of dialogue revealing yet more bitterness over the June 3rd results.

Mr. Profeta, obviously blindsided and unsure of why this campaign review was necessary, appeared at moments to be both uninterested in defending himself and compelled to do so. As he concluded his defense, Mr. Huemer began the debate all over with questions to Mr. Profeta as to how he believed that Mr. Deluca's prepared comments were misrepresentative of his actions during the earlier budget meetings.

To his credit, Mr. Grodman weighed in with a direct statement that he only wanted to discuss the budget.

This is now the second time since June 3rd that the election results and the campaign have been openly raised during the Township Committee meeting. The other being a meeting where members of the PBA came to Town Hall to discuss to contract negotiations. One can only hope that some sense of coming together will prevail before next year or a needless primary bloodbath will take place.

The election is over. It's time to move on.


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ajc
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Username: Ajc

Post Number: 1752
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on. The election is over. It's time to move on.
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Ed May
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Username: Edmay

Post Number: 1640
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 12:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to think that when Joel Ziegler and I are elected to the Township Committee that we will behave better than certain members of the current TC did at that last meeting.

Balanced Government
Focus on Maplewood
Lower Taxes
Better Services
Total Quality Management
Ed May
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Joel S. Ziegler
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Username: Joelziegler

Post Number: 19
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 1:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know that when Ed May and I are elected to the Township Committee that we will surely behave better than certain members of the current TC did at that last meeting.

Balanced Government
Focus on Maplewood
Lower Taxes
Better Services
Total Quality Management

Vote November 4th
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 1650
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 7:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How, specifically, does TQM apply to municipal government? Isn't it an approach for improving the quality of a repeatable process. I would expect a detailed analysis of the portion of the municipal budget (already less than half of our taxes) that can be optimized through TQM.
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ajc
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Username: Ajc

Post Number: 1755
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Balanced Government, Focus on Maplewood, Lower Taxes, Better Services, and Total Quality Management. Balanced Government, Focus on Maplewood, Lower Taxes, Better Services, and Total Quality Management. Balanced Government, Focus on Maplewood, Lower Taxes, Better Services, and Total Quality Management. Balanced Government, Focus on Maplewood, Lower Taxes, Better Services, and Total Quality Management.

I find some things are just worth repeating.
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5021
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lower Taxes & Better Services?

How? Create a volunteer DPW? "Self-service policing?" At-home leaf burnings instead of collecitons this fall? I think what is meant is one of these:

A) Lower taxes and worse services
B) Stable taxes and mostly the same services
C) Increased taxes & better services

No one will believe anything else because it's never been done before.
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newjerz
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Username: Newjerz

Post Number: 116
Registered: 5-2003


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lower taxes & Certain services better and certain services worse.
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5023
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's B
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newjerz
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Username: Newjerz

Post Number: 118
Registered: 5-2003


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No its D.
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5024
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Might be D if D=depends. Like "Depends if school part of the equation is involved." There will be no lower taxes until the BOE budget is tamed. In reality, the Maplewood TC can do very little to reduce taxes by itself, so there really isn't a D.
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newjerz
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Username: Newjerz

Post Number: 119
Registered: 5-2003


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are correct, but the TC can tame the BOE budget.
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C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille

Post Number: 1518
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Only if they succeed at getting the state to change the property tax/school budget formula.
Cathy
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zoe
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Username: Zoe

Post Number: 315
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Face it the BOE has obtained a free ride with double digit increases for many years now. I suggest, and am convinced that there is waste to be found in the school budget. Maybe in 2004 we will finally have a TC that will cause the BOE to make some sensible corrections.
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Robert Little
Citizen
Username: Boblittle

Post Number: 42
Registered: 4-2003


Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 5:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Township Committee only spends about a quarter of the total property tax bite so cuts at the Township level make for only a slight difference in your tax bill.

Fifty-seven percent goes to the schools. The Township Committee can affect that amount in that it sends representatives to the Board of School Estimate.

The remainder goes to Essex County.

Absent any state-wide change, we should concentrate on getting the BOSE involved in the school budget process early and on limiting the growth of county government.
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johnny
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Username: Johnny

Post Number: 707
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 5:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Town Committee members on the BOSE have the power to vote no to the budget. If all three say no then it doesn't pass. They have the power to make change but choose not to use it.

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