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     tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1121 Registered: 5-2001 |
An excerpt from Joe Conason on today's Salon (www.salon.com)
Indisputable. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2003 |
TEddy Roosevelt -- a republican -- made our national park system. The longest filibuster in congressional history? THe Senate Democrats in opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 -- who's last speaker was RObert "Sheets" Byrd ending 57 days of filibuster. Al Gore Sr's finest hour. THe longest one-man filibuster was STrom THurmond in the same year with 24+ hours. PS - I have a great mutual fund. one catch - if you don't make annual contributions, you go to jail. It gives you a 2% return, and any money you need that you don't earn with your contributions they suck out of your kid's wages. And the great part - -when you die, they keep it! And you are all already in it. It's called Social Security. These same people are also running Medicare. Pssssst. They're all going broke. Ponzi lives. | ||
| notehead Citizen Username: Notehead Post Number: 662 Registered: 5-2001  |
What rubbish. Any American worth a damn is entirely self-made and has nobody else to thank for their health, freedom, or lifestyle.  | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1122 Registered: 5-2001 |
Please don't make the mistake of using "Republican" interchangeably with "Conservative," or "Democrat" with "Liberal," especially not in an historical context. Your S.S. metaphor breaks down when you first treat it like a mutual fund (2% return), then as an annuity (money you need that you don't earn). It's one or the other. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1123 Registered: 5-2001 |
While I'm on the subject, if there were no Social Security, and you in your old age needed extra money, where would your children get the money? | ||
| chocoholic Citizen Username: Shrink Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2003 |
Tom, Thanks for the post. It's about time that those of us of the "liberal " persuasion recount some of the good things that came out and come out of liberalism. And you are correct, for some reason many think that a Conservative is a Republican and and a Democrat is a Liberal. Not exactly true. My guess is that this due to Rush Limbaugh's influence. And to the poster who mentioned the initimable Teddy Roosevelt- read Theodore REX and the Rise of Theodore Roosevelt. Good old TDR was a pretty liberal Republican and was not exactly loved by many of those in his own party. Also remember that some of the views of the Republican Party at that time were similar to todays Democrats. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2003 |
sorry -- was responding to 'liberalism' in the heading. As for mutual fund/annuity -- you're right. I should just call social security what it is -- a scam. Without social security, I'd have more of my own money to invest at a higher rate of return. THere's one part of the country where this is possible -- Galveston, TX. It's a winner for all those enrolled, save for a few on the low-wage end making decisions that weren't aggressive enough in the early going. By children, I meant adult children. If they couldn't help me, I'd go to a charity. | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 5020 Registered: 5-2001  |
and then there's the other definition of liberalism: "An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard." | ||
| Iaowks Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 381 Registered: 1-2003  |
tom, you are so confused. The country's problems are that kids are not forced into labor, the environment is not free to industry to rape, and the workplace safety is a threat to profits. Can't you see how liberalism continues to destroy the country? Our country was originally founded on freedom, and these new regulations are eating away at that freedom every day. What good is compassion when it impinges on freedom, man?! Tom Reingold | ||
| REBORN STRAW Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 944 Registered: 10-2001 |
boring | ||
| michael Citizen Username: Michael Post Number: 349 Registered: 1-2002 |
zzzzzzzzz... | ||
| notehead Citizen Username: Notehead Post Number: 665 Registered: 5-2001 |
It's too bad that the ban on lead-based paint came too late to help the fruity phoenix. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1124 Registered: 5-2001 |
Someone has a short attention span. Stick to the points, and try to pay attention. Unless of course you can't refute any of it! Go on, defend child labor and segregated drinking fountains! | ||
| newjerz Citizen Username: Newjerz Post Number: 122 Registered: 5-2003  |
It should be pointed out that we do have segregated lunch rooms and social groups even today in supposedly integrated environments (Columbia HS for example) only the segregation is voluntary by both groups. Liberals are strong supporters the vision of America as a land of diversity rather than the vision of America as "the meltingpot". I think this is one of the reasons that long after legal segregation ended it is still practiced informally. | ||
| zoe Citizen Username: Zoe Post Number: 314 Registered: 7-2002 |
How about forced senior citizen labor and segregated high schools. That's what is developing when you consider the property taxes and social security much of our elderly will be forced to accept at retirement, so they continue to work beyond what was originally planned. Then you take a cold hard look at the "Harvey Milk" School. If that ain't just another "segregated fountain." | ||
| OK, it's Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 383 Registered: 1-2003 |
As a kid, I was taught that there are no differences between people of different races. That wasn't really true. There are differences. I think they should have made the distinction between equality and equivalence. Each person is valuable to his family, friends and society. But we're not the same in our tastes, our strengths and weaknesses, our mannerism, and so many other things. We tend to fear the unknown and gravitate to the familiar. That's why kids tend to congregate in racial groups in high school. Skin color is a blatant sign of cultural differences. That's why white kids of various ethnic backgrounds hang together: they're not aware of their differences. One reason I chose Maplewood is because of the racial diversity. I expect it to be difficult for my kids to learn to get along with different kids. And I think that difficulty will be of value to them. But it's interesting to note that we moved from Edison, where the racial diversity is actually greater. Edison doesn't have a lot of blacks, but it has Asians from many countries, and people of many European ethnicities, immigrant and "native". However, it lacks economic diversity. It seems that Essex county has more economic diversity. Tom Reingold | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1125 Registered: 5-2001 |
The Harvey Milk school will be a "segregated fountain" when cops with firehoses and dobermans force kids to go there. | ||
| REBORN STRAW Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 948 Registered: 10-2001 |
Edison is a dump. | ||
| FreeTibet Citizen Username: Freetibet Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2003 |
if liberalism is so great why do liberals have no power ? because only liberals love liberals and they are a dying breed. I wish I was a liberal, but I am too logical - Albert Einstein | ||
| FreeTibet Citizen Username: Freetibet Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2003 |
Q: what is more annoying than liberals not in power complaining that everything would be better run by them ? A: Liberals in power complaining that all the problems are not their fault, but the fault of the previous party in power. sniff, poor poor liberals ! |
