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     KATHLEEN WETLI Citizen Username: Katmic Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2003 |
you are missing the entire point of the conversation. Its not about the kids, parents are continously putting their children in situations which are not suited for them. Furthermore, parents today with children feel its their right to take them anywhere, where has the respect gone for others? Breastfeading in a restaurant is inappropriate and distasteful. How do you expect children to treat people with respect when they have no limatations. I agree with the others above, take some responsibility for children. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 1895 Registered: 5-2001  |
Hateful? I don't see any hate on this thread. Just comments about innappropriate parenting. It happens. Spare the pity. | ||
| shh Citizen Username: Shh Post Number: 620 Registered: 5-2001  |
You guys... I am shocked. 3mom said she was DISCREETLY breastfeeding. It was an INFANT! Obviously she left her two older kids home, MAYBE she could have left the baby, but I know from experience when the baby is so young and you're nursing it's sometimes difficult to pump or the baby won't take a bottle. It's a natural act. I guess it would have been ok if there was a show on TV where breasts were being bared, but using them for their intended purpose it gross or DISTASTEFUL? You either don't have children or choose to feed them with formula, and I won't even GET into that argument. And Mem, really, get a life. Judging from some of your posts (and I could be wrong, in which case forgive me) you're at the ripe age for childbearing and your wasting that time away in bars. PUH-LEASE! I've seen and heard plenty of inappropriate parenting, (maybe even been guilty of it myself on a rare occasion) but infants generally are not the problem. Parents need to take their kids out a little more so they learn the appropriate restaurant behavior. But I guess I'm different. I enjoy spending time with my kids (stressful as it may be at times). We've taken them to Verjus for brunch several times, go to restaurants/out to eat all the time and bad behavior is a rarity. Expect more from them and give them the opportunity to behave nicely. All children should experience eating out with their parents (and not fast food). It gives them appreciation for sitting down to a meal for more than ten minutes, allows the family to have good conversation, all things we don't usually have time for on a daily basis. Rant over. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 1896 Registered: 5-2001 |
Shhh, You have really crossed the line with that one. You do not know how old I am, where I "waste" my time (bars?), and, here are many reasons why someone doesn't have children: - Is single - Physically unable - Chronic or terminal illness - Has difficulty adopting because of sexual preference - Choice of NOT wanting children - this isn't the best world to bring new lives to - Financially unstable situation - Their significant other is dead Now, one or two of those might apply to me, or not, but it is certainly none of your judging the "less fortunate" business. Good bye. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 86 Registered: 7-2003 |
I’m a big fan of breasts, but breast feeding gives me the willies. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t do it, I just don’t like to see it. If someone was being discreet about it it’s fine by me, but sometimes “repeat” sometimes, people are nonchalant, doing it right there out in the open, saying “Why does this bother you? It’s natural. It’s healthy”. Well being uncomfortable is natural too. I don’t think some should be thrown out of a restaurant for breastfeeding, but keep in mind that you may be making someone uncomfortable. Can’t you wear a parka or something and just stick the kid under there? (Joking) | ||
| KATHLEEN WETLI Citizen Username: Katmic Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2003 |
I agree with Mem.. get over yourself and your children. Maybe you should spend time having dinner in family enviroment at home instead of running your kids from one activity to another to keep up with the joneses. Just because we have lives and don't want to bring kids into this world with judgemental self righteous people like, please forgive us! I grew up in a house with 3 other children and there was a family meal on the table every night and we knew how to behave because we learned to respect from the home. Believe it or not people without children are very interesting and intelligent and are not defined about who they are by their children, what activities they are in, what car they drive or what house they live in. Just because you wanted to procreate doen't make you better than us. YOU get life!!!! | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 377 Registered: 3-2002 |
Going to the bathroom is a natural act yet you don't do it in public. As far as the kiddies go, that is your choice, don't push them on others, especially in a restuarant. Ever hear of McDonald's? PS Smoking is allowed in St. James Gate so if you are concerned about your children and 2nd hand smoke, go to Trattoria, PUH-LEASE!. | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 5049 Registered: 5-2001  |
I thought we're supposed to nurse a beer at the Gaslight. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 1897 Registered: 5-2001 |
Did anyone else hear the Brady Bunch theme when reading shhh's post? | ||
| shh Citizen Username: Shh Post Number: 621 Registered: 5-2001 |
I never said I was better. Never said you were "less fortunate" for not having or wanting kids. Never made judgments about why you might not have kids. Just said you seem to be OF THE AGE to have children and you seem to spend a lot of time in bars Mem. Is there some sensitivity about the subject? Never said childless people were uninteresting or intelligent. Where did THAT come from? I wish I had the time and resources to travel more, read more, etc. but having chldren was the choice we made. I barely have time to read the paper so I'm not even going there. But, I'm not interested in "keeping up with the joneses" via my kids (spectacular as they may be). I'm one of 4 kids as well, and we ate dinner together all the time. It's time I valued as a kid. Unfortunately, with commuting to NY, most working parents (I am not, but my husband is...a CHOICE we made when I became pregnant) do not get home until past a normal child's dinner time. For years we never saw my husband's face until after 8pm during the week. So when time and finances permit, we ENJOY taking our children out to eat. It's not always as relaxing as it should be but it's what we like to do. Back to the point, if the breastfeeding is DISCREET (and putting a baby blanket over oneself if needed for privacy) and the children are well-behaved, what's the problem? I don't enjoy annoying kids yelling, throwing stuff, splashing in pools, etc. I'm not an advocate for ALL kids in restaurants or in public places but they learn appropriate behavior from sitting, waiting for a meal, drinking from a glass, etc. | ||
| shh Citizen Username: Shh Post Number: 622 Registered: 5-2001 |
I would never drink milk with spaghetti and meatballs Mem. No Brady theme from here. McDonald's is gross and distasteful. I don't "push" my kids on anyone. Thanks for the tip about smoking in the pub. I probably will avoid it. Maybe it will clear some of the "couples-sans-kids" out of Trattoria and we'll be able to get a table on a Friday night. That's good news. | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 378 Registered: 3-2002 |
"And Mem, really, get a life. Judging from some of your posts (and I could be wrong, in which case forgive me) you're at the ripe age for childbearing and your wasting that time away in bars. PUH-LEASE!" Who are you to tell her to get a life? You are implying that she is wasting her life and you are the all important mother of the world, breastfeeding your child. That is your choice to have a child and your choice to work. Given the choice between breastfeeding and drinking in a bar, I would rather be in a bar too. | ||
| shh Citizen Username: Shh Post Number: 623 Registered: 5-2001 |
It's an expression. "...Get a life, you were all kids once and maybe you were all perfect, but from reading some of your posts here, I somehow doubt that." I was reiterating what Vermontgolfer said, and Mem's post (among others) seemed hateful and kid-phobic. Sorry if I pushed some buttons I shouldn't have. That's me, the all important mother of the world. Haven't you seen me on all those medallions? In paintings? No, not really. That's not me at all. But (if one is ABLE to) breastfeeding is good for mother and baby and doesn't have to make people uncomfortable. And certainly should not make the owner of a restarant freak out and kick a patron out of a near empty dining room. Did you see this week's episode of Sex and the City, where Cynthia Nixon says she likes her own kid but not all kids? | ||
| KATHLEEN WETLI Citizen Username: Katmic Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2003 |
SHH, YOU REALLY SHOULD READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT CONSISTENT, YOU TOLD MEM TO GET A LIFE AND STOP SPENDING SO MUCH TIME IN BARS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT THAT PRETTY MUCH IS JUDGING AND SAYING SOMEONE IS NOT INTERESTING. BY THE WAY, I WORK IN NEW YORK SO PLEASE DO NOT CRY TO ME ABOUT EATING LATE , YOU CAN STILL EAT AT HOME WITH YOUR KIDS WITHOUT HUBBY AND TEACH THEM MANNERS. EXCUSES, EXCUSES, LIKE I SAID PARENTS DO NOT WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THESE DAYS. KIDS HAVE ALL KINDS OF RIGHTS, WE SHOULD ALL JUST DEAL RIGHT? | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 5050 Registered: 5-2001 |
anyway, The Gaslight has good wings and a nice cheese platter | ||
| moose Citizen Username: Moose Post Number: 124 Registered: 6-2001 |
Excuse me, board, but does anyone understand that two people with opposing viewpoints can BOTH be right? Circumstances may dictate one way or another. Also, that the ability to understand others with their conflicting views is the mark of maturity? | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 1898 Registered: 5-2001 |
"you seem to spend a lot of time in bars Mem. Is there some sensitivity about the subject?" "For years we never saw my husband's face until after 8pm during the week." 2 + 2 = .....hic-cup!  | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 1899 Registered: 5-2001 |
Also, shhh, on a serious note, I would appreciate it if you stopped saying "get a life". Those words may be very sensitive right now in light of the 9/11 anniversary. | ||
| shh Citizen Username: Shh Post Number: 624 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kathleen, no need to shout. I already apologized for that "get a life" phrase. I never cried to anyone (except maybe my mom) about my husband working late. I take responsibility for my kids. Obviously your issue is with people who don't. And I'm not defending them. Oh yeah Mem. I guess you're implying he was with you in the bars?  That's so silly I don't even need to defend it. BTW, make sure you wave "hi" when you're next to my family in one of our local eateries. We're the young, attractive couple with the perfectly behaved kids.  | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 1797 Registered: 9-2001 |
"For years we never saw my husband's face until after 8pm during the week." The truth is Mem, those ...hic cups you refer to could be heard at home, or at work, or both! Long hours at work can sure bring its share of problems to any relationship...  "So, back to the finer points of breastfeeding" Trying to get back to the lighter side of this serious subject.... As is usually the case, I noticed there were a number of young single men at the Pub last night who appeared to be very much in favor of breastfeeding...  |
