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     OK, it's Straw Man Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 969 Registered: 10-2001 |
Holy ignorance batman...I think it's safe to say we have a new zero here on MOL. 70 posts and counting. | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 1671 Registered: 12-2001  |
Hello, An honest evaluation of the situation in Palestine will reveal that there is no basis for comparing the Israelis to the Nazis. If Israel conducted its affairs in the the manner of Nazi Germany, there would already be peace in Palestine. Of course, not a single Palestinian would be left alive, but that is the Nazi way. If the Palestinians would stop their terrorist campaign, their lives would return to normal and the issues of statehood and self-determination could be addressed. Unfortunately, that won't happen as long as a sizable portion of the population wants nothing less than the total destruction of Israel. | ||
| buzzsaw Citizen Username: Buzzsaw Post Number: 1036 Registered: 5-2001 |
Someone at the maplewood local asked me what the difference was between the taliban blowing up the satues of budda and the possible removal of the ten commandment monument from a state courthouse. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1134 Registered: 5-2001 |
Leaving aside their lack of historical or artistic value relative to the Buddhas, the ten commandments will be moved, not destroyed. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2001 Registered: 5-2001  |
As Tom pointed out, the Taliban destroyed the 2,000 year old Buddha statues in Bamiyan, which were carved into a mountain a la Mount Rushmore. These statues had historical and cultural importance, in addition to their religious significance. Judge Moore installed a recently-constructed monument which enshrined his particular version of the Ten Commandments, in a government building. Removing Judge Moore's monument does not move, or destroy, the Commandments. | ||
| sbenois Citizen Username: Sbenois Post Number: 10178 Registered: 10-2001  |
Dearest Hello, What word do you use to describe people who kill innocent men, women and children on a bus? Today, Hamas decided that Israel's retaliation for the bus bombing by killing one of their top murderers and 2 aides, was enough to call off the cease fire. But bombing a bus filled with people doesn't count. It's a freebie. 20 dead, over a hundred injured and not a not a godammed word about it in the context of the cease fire. Only one side wants peace here and it's not the Palestinians. P.S. American citizens died in the attack. Do you give a shit? Or is it acceptable because they happen to be Jews? ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <---- | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 311 Registered: 9-2002  |
Mr. S, I don't always agree with what you say, but the above post perfectly represents how I reacted to Hello's post. Thanks for putting my anger into words. Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him | ||
| hello Citizen Username: Hello Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2003 |
likud wants peace? http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/062303/new_062303038.shtml http://www.sabra-shatila.be/english/ | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1135 Registered: 5-2001 |
ask yourself, what are the Palestinians fighting for that they couldn't have had for free two and a half years ago? Then ask, is it worth that many lives? | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2003 |
The Palestinians never wanted a country when Egypt and Jordan controlled that territory. Israel comes into being, and THEN they want a country? or did Egypt and Jordan play the Palestinians for fools? Why doesn't Yassar blow up Jordanians and Egyptians too? Cuz they're not Jewish? By the way, Hello, what ever happened to the Canaanites? They were there first, and no one speaks up for them. There will never be peace until one side is decisively defeated. Someone has to lose big-time for peace to happen. There's never been peace in this world without victory. | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 312 Registered: 9-2002 |
To me, bringing up the Israel-Palestinian conflict is like mentioning Nazis on usenet. It has the same effect of deteriorating a conversation to it's most base level. It's the functional equivalent of Godwin's Law. No one is going to convince the other side to abandon (or even reconsider) their views. It's worse than Democrat vs. Republican. It's worse than Liberal vs. Conservative. It's worse than any conflict American civilians have experienced. As cjc says, the only way for the conflict to truly end is for one side to have a decisive victory. If it's Israel, then there will be a monstrous outcry from the Arab nations and the French. If it's the Palestinians... well, I doubt that can happen, as I think the whole area would be a large sheet of glass first. Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him | ||
| OK, it's Straw Man Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 971 Registered: 10-2001 |
Imagine a Palestinian state.. Questions: How many years before they figure out how to build indoor plumbing?..Or figure out services such as garbage removal..or figure out simple things like teaching your children not to play with dynamite. | ||
| zoe Citizen Username: Zoe Post Number: 316 Registered: 7-2002 |
The title of this thread should consider changing to dipict a more accurate truth. "Liberalism Losing, Conservative Views Gaining Among Voters." That is the truth. Face reality, liberal thinking is still alive, but not doing very well. Thus we have witnessed a significant change among who is being elected and the direction our country is taking. | ||
| sbenois Citizen Username: Sbenois Post Number: 10179 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dearest Tom, What the Palestinians want could not have been accomplished two and a half years ago. Of five or ten for that matter. Because what the Palestinians want is the destruction of Israel. It's not about peace for them. It's not about co-existence. It's about driving the Jews out using whatever means are possible. It won't work. Moderate Palestinians who recognize the need to live side by side are now being held hostage by the leaders of their radical groups like Hamas. Their schools are filled with the sound of perpetuating hatred towards the Israelis. They teach their children to aspire to be martyrs instead of diplomats. Two weeks ago Israel was giving back or prepared to give back responsibility to two more West bank towns to the Palestinians. The result? Two more suicide bombs. In my book, any sympathy that the Palestinans deserved went away when that last bus was blown up. From the jaws of peace their leadership has pulled out more death and destruction. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <---- | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1136 Registered: 5-2001 |
S, in your first paragraph, "palestinians" refers to the terrorists. In your third paragraph, you refer to "moderate palestinians." Presumably in the fourth paragraph you mean "moderate palestinians." Who are you talking about in the fifth paragraph? - - - - zoe this is not a game this is real life. ideologies change over time, and from place to place. What you call "conservative" here and now would be radical leftism in Taliban-run Afghanistan or 16th century France. My point being, the momentary popularity of a given ideology has no bearing on its moral authority. | ||
| OK, it's Straw Man Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 972 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tom let me make it simple for you. Hammas is a terror network funded and directed by Yasser Arafat, period. Since Arafat is still the real power, you do the math.. You ever notice the only American folks who oppose Israel are the liberals? Another reason why this country will continue voting Democrats out of office. | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 316 Registered: 9-2002 |
I do find it humorous that Conservatives are now friends of the Jews. Don't get me wrong - I think it's great. But for the most part, Conservative views, particularly Conservative Christian views, have alienated Jews in this country for quite some time. It was long considered a given that Jews would vote Democrat, or at worst, for Moderate (what most here would consider Liberal) Republicans. It's good to see that Conservatives are now so much more inclusive. Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1138 Registered: 5-2001 |
What makes you think I oppose Israel? By the way, your perfectly obvious statements about Hamas and Arafat do not answer my question -- posed to sbenois and not to you -- about whom he is referring to. Interesting how zoe, straw and the whole right-wing media posse love to thump their collective chests about how conservatives are "winning." Well, the republicans have one of the smallest margins in history in the House, a barely working majority in the Senate, and a President who did not win the popular vote. This is not a mandate, this is not a landslide. 2002 was not 1934. | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 1674 Registered: 12-2001 |
It seems to me that there is lively debate as to who is in-charge in Palestine. Some maintain that Arafat pulls all the strings. Other, myself included, believe that groups like Hamas follow their own agenda. It is more comforting to believe that one man controls everything since, theoretically, that same person could order peace. If, on the other hand, groups like Hamas are going to pursue the destruction of Israel regardless of "official" Palestinian decisions, then there won't be peace any time soon. | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 318 Registered: 9-2002 |
And if there's no one in charge (or no central repected authority), how can there be statehood? Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him |
