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     Maplewoody Citizen Username: Maplewoody Post Number: 411 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here's a link for a MoveOn.org entry for their contest that shows really creative ads that will engage and enlighten viewers and help them understand the truth about George Bush. I like this particular one: http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/07_small.shtml | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 6051 Registered: 4-1998  |
this one is good, too http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=03&size=small and this http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/06_small.shtml | ||
| michael Citizen Username: Michael Post Number: 453 Registered: 1-2002 |
Think Dean in 2004 and then... wake up. Support the Maplewood/South Orange Ministry of Propaganda (otherwise known as the CCR) | ||
| DrFalomar Citizen Username: Drfalomar Post Number: 119 Registered: 7-2003 |
The "He Lied. They Died." commercial is my favorite because it's exactly like the one I imagined making myself if I had the know-how. | ||
| Ainsworth Hunt Citizen Username: Ainsworth Post Number: 126 Registered: 1-2003 |
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_4321.shtml | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 626 Registered: 8-2003 |
If Bush ran an ad morphing Dean into Mao or Stalin while showing the millions and millions of citizens these leftists killed -- would that be over the line? | ||
| DrFalomar Citizen Username: Drfalomar Post Number: 121 Registered: 7-2003 |
The thing is, cjc, Dean isn't creating these ads. The idea of having your enemy bashed through proxies and mouthpieces, a tactic mastered by conservatives, is finally being exercised by those who oppose their Great Leader. And I can't wait until the Democrats take control of Congress again, as they someday will. Because the politics of hate and exclusion that the Republicans have instilled in Congress is going to be used against them in ways ten times more vicious as revenge. Politics is now war, the other party is never a partner, and Bush will discover that he's going to be the Democrat's Saddam. | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 275 Registered: 11-2003 |
And I can't wait until the Democrats take control of Congress again, as they someday will. Because the politics of hate and exclusion that the Republicans have instilled in Congress is going to be used against them in ways ten times more vicious as revenge. Politics is now war, the other party is never a partner, and Bush will discover that he's going to be the Democrat's Saddam. yeah, that's rational--just the kind of temperament that attracts voters... The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR.. Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W. Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 161 Registered: 1-2003 |
From the WSJ: Outrage.org By JACK ROSEN MoveOn.org, an advocacy group, has sought to energize opposition to the president by sponsoring a contest in which Americans were urged to produce an anti-Bush advertisement to air the week of the State of the Union address. Web site visitors were invited to vote for their favorite ad from a pre-selected group that MoveOn.org deems appropriate for TV. MoveOn.org informed potential ad makers that "we're not going to post anything that would be inappropriate for television." Two of the ads posted on the group's Web site compared Adolf Hitler to George W. Bush. One ad morphed an image of Hitler into President Bush and says that, "1945's war crimes" are "2003's foreign policy." * * * The Holocaust was the worst crime in history. The Nazis killed six million Jews, and millions of others were murdered in a systematic genocide. Generations were exterminated. Starvation, slave labor, gassing and medical experimentation were tools for the "final solution." The last survivors of that horror will soon pass from among us. Their eyewitness testimony will be lost, and it is for us to ensure that we never forget. It is for them that we have built museums to preserve the horror of these crimes. It is for them that we guard against the danger that the memory of the Holocaust will be trivialized. That danger is abetted when people devalue this monumental evil for political gain. Today, MoveOn.org is doing just that, using the memory of that genocide as a political prop. Their comparison diminishes the reality of what happened, and their actions cheapen the memory of a horrific crime. It also does a terrible disservice to this country at a perilous time, when we need to examine the dangers we face with clarity and purpose. The lessons of the Holocaust era loom larger than ever, but not as portrayed by MoveOn.org. It was from the backbenches of Britain's Parliament in the 1930s that Churchill warned of the "gathering storm," arguing that the great threat had to be confronted before it was too late. His warning went unheeded. Free nations stood idle as the Nazis harnessed their war machine. Democracies naively hoped for peace. They turned from evil, but the evil did not fade, and when World War II ended 50 million were dead. With terrorists operating under the protection of rogue regimes, Churchill's warning is still apt today. Leadership is about confronting threats to freedom everywhere. President Bush has shown that leadership in Iraq, and our troops have liberated a people who were oppressed by another murderous dictator. MoveOn.org compares this liberation to the Holocaust. It deploys a picture of Hitler to vilify President Bush. Comparing the commander-in-chief of a democratic nation to the murderous tyrant Hitler is not only historically specious, it is morally outrageous. Comparing an American president, any American president, to Hitler is an outrage. The MoveOn.org ad was inexcusable. Political figures such as Al Gore, who have associated themselves with MoveOn.org, have a special responsibility to condemn these ads; donors to the group such as George Soros have the same responsibility. They owe it not just to the memory of the millions who died in the Holocaust. They owe it also as a simple matter of decency. Mr. Rosen is president of the American Jewish Congress. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 425 Registered: 8-2003  |
Statement by Wes Boyd, Founder of MoveOn.org Voter Fund: The Republican National Committee and its chairman have falsely accused MoveOn.org of sponsoring ads on its website which compare President Bush to Adolf Hitler. The claim is deliberately and maliciously misleading. During December the MoveOn.org Voter Fund invited members of the public to submit ads that purported to tell the truth about the President and his policies. More than 1,500 submissions from ordinary Americans came in and were posted on a web site, bushin30seconds.org, for the public to review. None of these was our ad, nor did their appearance constitute endorsement or sponsorship by MoveOn.org Voter Fund. They will not appear on TV. We do not support the sentiment expressed in the two Hitler submissions. They were voted down by our members and the public, who reviewed the ads and submitted nearly 3 million critiques in the process of choosing the 15 finalist entries. We agree that the two ads in question were in poor taste and deeply regret that they slipped through our screening process. In the future, if we publish or broadcast raw material, we will create a more effective filtering system. Contrast this with the behavior of the RNC and its allies when supporters of President Bush used TV ads morphing the faces of Sens. Tom Daschle (D-SD) and Max Cleland (D-GA) into that of Osama Bin Laden during the 2002 Senate races. MoveOn.org and the MoveOn.org Voter Fund exist to bring the public into the political process and produce a more fact-based election process. We regret that the RNC doesn’t seem to embrace the same goals. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 627 Registered: 8-2003 |
A republican not aligned with the Bush campaign uses the information Al Gore used against Dukakis on Willie Horton in an ad is about the only thing about "proxy bashing" that approaches that Hitler ad. You forget the annual racist NAACP ad like black church burnings that weren't, the James Byrd dragging death in TX, the non-existant school lunch 'cuts' that starved children in 1996, the 'cutting medicare' when it grew... The only 'mastery' I think conservatives have is that their Willie Horton ad in this "highly flammable category" was factually true. It must have been. After all, Gore brought it up. And Kerry and Gephardt and Lieberman are providing ammo even as we speak for other ads should we need it. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2648 Registered: 10-1999  |
And, from the Washington Post: Emphasis added. Not to worry, though. There will be genuine offensive ads actually broadcast in Iowa, according to the Washington Times: Again, emphasis added. Apparently, these ads "puzzled some of Mr. Bush's strategists and supporters, who see Mr. Dean as the most beatable of the major Democratic hopefuls." Okay, that's their story, and they're sticking with it. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 628 Registered: 8-2003 |
The Willie Horton ad never got close to nation-wide airplay. Some guy named Floyd Brown (?) ran it on a few cable systems back in 1988, when cable penetration was a fraction of what it is today. The Democrats picked it up and ran it themselves -- in DC and NY to get the press 'outrage' going. | ||
| mfpark Citizen Username: Mfpark Post Number: 134 Registered: 9-2001 |
In these times of the politics of perception being more important than anything else, it is inexcusable for MoveOn.Org to have not caught these two ads in their "screening". Simple, basic political organizing skill--being aware of your message and how it plays. Pointing the finger at Republian gaffes does nothing to defray the point--they screwed up, big time, and handed their opponents are. And I say this as someone who is more or less sympathetic to their cause. | ||
| DrFalomar Citizen Username: Drfalomar Post Number: 127 Registered: 7-2003 |
Such is the world. The White House serves up a CIA agent's name to get back at someone critical of them and they say they didn't realize she was undercover. Newspapers run offensive headlines and pictures then say, by way of apology, It's possible that poor judgement was used. Pete Rose lies for 15 years then says, OK I was lying, now let me in the Hall of Fame. We're apology nation, apparently, and that's all that matters. | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 108 Registered: 5-2001 |
I Googled 'Hitlery' and got 8,350 responses. | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 276 Registered: 11-2003 |
Of course we are a very tolerant and forgiving nation--how else could we put up with the distorted, hateful rants of the semi-retarded left? The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR.. Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W. Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4207 Registered: 5-2001 |
Comparing the Democrats to Stalin and Bush to Hitler are both ridiculous. Put a sock in it and get a life. Can't you people have an intelligent, fact based discussion? | ||
| Ainsworth Hunt Citizen Username: Ainsworth Post Number: 128 Registered: 1-2003 |
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/ | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2662 Registered: 10-1999 |
Bobk is right, we should stick to intelligent, fact-based discussions. But first, another advertisement for those not in favor of President Bush: http://www.liberaloasis.com/bushin41point2.htm |
