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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 605
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Besides waiting for Hillary in 08, what will everyone do? France for a few years?
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2049
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 1:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will start studying up on how to survive and maybe even prosper during the coming economic collapse of the U.S.A.
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SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady

Post Number: 263
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pray
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Don Perkins
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Username: Cowboy

Post Number: 255
Registered: 9-2003


Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 1:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

tjohn, you ought to study up on the various recipes for preparing crow, cause your going to need them.

What say you? Are you willing to wager say, that you will change your party afiliation to Republican if our economy improves? If it collapses, as you predict, I will change mine. We can agree to use any three specific indicators of the economy chosen by Dave. If two out of the three register evidence of collapse, you win and I must register with the party you choose.

Let me know. Cause I am sick and tired of hearing you portend gloom and doom. No, Bush isn't perfect, but he sure is the better man for the job of POTUS.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2053
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 1:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is unpopular to portend gloom and doom. That doesn't mean the concerns are unfounded. For a very long time, we have been mortgaging the future in the interests of immediate prosperity. My expectation is that Bush is laying the groundwork for a severe credit meltdown. However, we might not experience this until after his second term if he is re-elected.

Examples:

1. The federal government is a mass of unfunded obligations - Social Security, federal employee pensions, military pensions.

2. In the private sector, corporate benefits are drying up. The pensions and benefits that used to provide millions of Americans with a good retirement are disappearing.

Bush may be the better choice this November, but that is a testimony to the disarray of the opposition rather than the quality of Bush. Of course, one of the more stirring defenses of Bush has always been, "we could do worse".
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Ainsworth Hunt
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Username: Ainsworth

Post Number: 153
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 2:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.freeworldalliance.com/pinkelephants/oneparty.htm
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Sylad
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Username: Sylad

Post Number: 138
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Party like a rock star then focus on overturning the 22nd Amendment.
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero

Post Number: 2685
Registered: 10-1999


Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 6:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I won't act like Clinton's opponents, who spent 4 years, and 4 more years, gnashing their teeth and wailing as if Western civilization was at an end. I expect I wouldn't be terribly happy, but that's democracy.

If Bush is elected President in 2004, that's the way it goes. I would think that it would be important for thoughtful people to continue to express their points of view.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2054
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 7:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There you go again suggesting that Straw shouldn't express his point of view.
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1684
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cowboy, the nature of partisanism is that if things go wrong, we blame the party in power, unless it's our power. In that case, we blame external circumstances and cite the fact that our party had its hands tied. When things go well, we give credit to the party in power, unless it's the one we oppose. In that case, we say the prosperity was lucky timing for that party.

Repeat ad infinitum.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing

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DrFalomar
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Username: Drfalomar

Post Number: 131
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

four more years of bush doesn't bother me. he'll vanish down the sinkhole of mediocrity like any other crumb. it's ten years after bush that worries me, when all his bills come due.
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notehead
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Username: Notehead

Post Number: 841
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 11:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My honest feeling (and yes, I know many of you don't agree) is that virtually everything we don't like about the current state of this country will get worse if Bush wins, and that some of the things that are going wrong now will have very serious ramifications for Americans for many years.

So, my fiancée and I have considered moving. There are lots of things to love about living around here, and there's really no other location that offers all the advantages of this particular part of this particular country... but Toronto is looking pretty good. On the other hand, if we move to a 3rd-world country that is cheap, warm, democratic, and stable, like Belize or Dominica or Costa Rica, then we'd have enough money to visit the U.S. several times a year.

If we're going to have children, we may not want to raise them in a place where values have gotten so mixed up; where corporations require parents to work so hard that they hardly have any time to spend together; where there is so much violence; where stress & depression are so widespread; where so much of the population feels superior to the rest of the world just because they happen to have been born here, etc.
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Ed May
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Username: Edmay

Post Number: 1901
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 12:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ed May
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anon
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Username: Anon

Post Number: 913
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will do the same thing if Bush wins as I will do if he loses and the same thing as all of you will do. I will get up the next morning and go to work. Life goes on exactly as before. I follow politics intensely and enjoy it but I know enough about politics to know that while an election matters it does not matter that much in the life of the average person.

In fact, I would suggest that who gets elected to the Maplewood Township Committee effects me a lot more than who gets elected President!
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Greatest Straw of all time!
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Username: Strawberry

Post Number: 1754
Registered: 10-2001


Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 12:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Notehead,

Let me give you some advice buddy boy.

Don't you ever and I mean EVER attack the United States of America again. Do I make my self clear?? Take your communist thoughts and hit the road if you want. Move to Africa as far as I'm concerned. THIS IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SPIT ON IT AND EVERYTHING IT GAVE YOU, FINE..JUST DON'T BOTHER THE REST OF US WITH SUCH CRAP.

A little more advice for you, sunny boy. If you take your fiancee and move to some piss ass third world nation, that fiancee of yours will wind up being an ex-wife before the first wave of Malaria kicks you in the teeth. (Free advice from a man who knows a thing or two about how Women behave)

America isn't good enought for your kids???? HOW DARE YOU!


GOD BLESS THE USA AND ALL WHO RESPECT THE STARS AND STRIPES!
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004..
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anon
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Username: Anon

Post Number: 916
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 1:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If Hillary Clinton is ever the Democratic nominee for President watch the number of Republicans and "conservatives" who will say that they will move out of the country if she is elected.
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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 1759
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 1:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welcome to Strawberry's Amerika, where everyone -- no matter what their race, color, creed or religion, young or old, man or woman -- has the inalienable right to shut up, bend over, and take it.

I hope that the more, uh, normal people on the board recognize that, while America is the greatest country in the world, it hasn't always been and there's no law that says that it always will be. Our democracy is a work in progress, and all that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2061
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 2:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Straw,

Couple of minor points:

1. "some piss ass third world nation" should read "pissant third word nation".

2. "A little more advice for you, sunny boy." I believe should read "A little more advice for you, sonny boy."

Finally, please expand on this:

"(Free advice from a man who knows a thing or two about how Women behave)" This shows signs of being a really interesting post.
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Insite
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Username: Insite

Post Number: 189
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look at Tjohn, the big brain. He must be with the typo police. Very impressive. I guess Tjohn has a soft spot for those people who hate America.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 2062
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 4:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am not aware of too many American-haters on this board. More than a few have concerns with the current direction of the government, but that is hardly unAmerican.

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