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Joancrystal
| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2001 - 9:05 am: |     |
Vic:
I hope the the activities planned for Maplecrest Park, Dehart Park, and Springfield Avenue will each have sponsorship or co-sponsorship by an organization whose mandate welcomes town-wide membership. Activities sponsored solely by a single neighborhood organization tend to send out the message that they are exclusive rather than inclusive!
Here's another idea: How about a late summer kick off for the Adult School's fall line up at Maplecrest Park? Lectures, work shops and disscussons lead by Adult School instructors could be held under various clumps of trees. Sign up for classes could be held in the Rec Building and the library could display related books. This could attract the singles/seniors/empty nester crowd who might feel uncomfortable in a purely child-centered activity.
P.S. For those who like food, last spring's cooking classes might be encouraged to show what they learned with proceeds going to support the Adult School. For craft sale lovers, craft class alumni and instructors could display wares, etc. |
Goodolddays
| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2001 - 10:08 pm: | |
On Monday, March 12th Thetruth07040 started a new discussion..a spin off of The Irvington Factor and focused on the 4th of July celebration (see archives). Since that time the postings have slowly (and I think deliberatley) been steered off in all directions, with posts talking about everything from "tradition" to "panties". And as far as "focusing on what brought each of us here in the first place"....take a long look around...all those things that brought us here have long disappeared. So why waste anyone more time or space on this page...I surrender. |
Townie
| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2001 - 10:15 pm: | |
Goodolddays,
Internet discussions always digress, like most conversations do. Especially when people have good and forward looking ideas they want to share. All the reasons I moved to Maplewood are still here and more arrive every day.
Kathleen |
Thetruth07040
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 4:52 pm: | |
Goodolddays,
My feelings exactly. In fact I surrendered earlier though I couldn't resist a few followup comments. I was away on business and returned to see that the discussion had vectored and deteriorated to the point where I'm not sure anyone is actually commenting on the original concept. Perhaps they should give out a prescription for Ridilin when you sign up for this discussion board! By the way..what ever happened to the requested comments by the Township Planning Committee? Weren't they specifically asked by the Mayor if they would care to comment on the idea of having the 4th Celebration at least in part at Dehart or Memorial?
The funny thing about these threads is that few if any actually respond to the issues raised in a previous posting. It's almost as if posters are just here to listen to themselves talk. If I cared to look back on my postings I would find myriad points or questions raised which were NEVER really discussed, addressed, or for that matter even acknowledged. The basic idea I proposed seems to have been written off as undoable or impractical without any real investigation. What was substituted were a host of very nice suggestions which I assure you will have little or no real impact. They will be atttended by the small group of people who always attend these sort of things but by and large, a significant population of the town WILL NOT come to Dehart or Memorial.
I am also amused by those who say there is really no east west issue. There IS and there has been for 40 years or more. I do not care to say it again. You can all keep your head in the sand if you wish. There are enough of us here who know the truth. Maybe you or your neighbor are not the ones with the negitive attitude about this side of town, but just because it hasen't jumped up and bitten you does not mean it doesn't exist. In fact, after re-reading the postings here, I am more convinced than ever. It is sublte, devisive amd destructive split. The Mayor may ask that we no longer discuss east vs west here. That may make his life easier but not disucssing it won't make it go away. In fact, I will continue to raise the issue until I feel something is really being done about it.
Now, let's either get back to a dicussion about the 4th celebration of let's just drop it. I don't want to hear anymore suggestions about kite flying, or food tasting or craft fairs or lectures or workshops. Tell me why a portion of the 4th of July Celebration in this fair town cannot be held in a park on the east side park?
Just another disjointed but related thought. If we really do have "Spring on Springfield", why doesn't someone walk around and survey the attendees to see where they live in town. It would be interesting to see how many people from the West (oops, there I go again) actually show up.
Townie, Many of the things which brought me back to the town where I grew up are still here too. Some good some bad. |
Bix
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 5:15 pm: | |
People, can we please get back to the subject of panties?
B|X |
Townie
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 6:16 pm: | |
LOL, Bix! I've got some that are red, white and blue.
At least that would be an honest discussion -- but I don't think honest responses and discussion was what was wanted here. Truth07040, could you make it simpler and just post what it is you want us to post in this thread? We can copy it over with the paste function.
Disjointed thought: It would be wonderful to go to Spring on Springfield to be interrogated about what part of town we live in, wouldn't it?
Truth07040, why don't YOU do some research about your idea? How about reading this thread more carefully for starters and noticing which town bodies it is that plan the 4th celebrations? Take it directly to them instead of a few self-selected internet posters you've already decided need Ritalin and who you already know aren't yes-people for every word you say. You and Goodolddays are right: We just have our heads in the sand and -- getting back to the real subject -- we're showing our panties.
Good luck.
kathleen |
Nilmiester
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 6:56 pm: | |
Right or wrong, I don't think Truth0704 could be more honest. His/her impression is that the westsiders think they are better than the eastsiders because they have more money and always have. It is called class warfare. The fact is that some do and some don't. It would be interesting the see the turn out if the 4th was held in Maplecrest and I think it is a good idea. I am also very pleased that Springfield Avenue is being revitalized. I heard the new French restuarant will be open in about a month with a liqour license. Can't wait!!! I will definitely be on Springfield Avenue. |
Townie
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 7:16 pm: | |
Nil,
I don't see anyone in this thread saying that truth07040 wasn't being honest in expressing his own views. But I do see a lot of people honestly disagreeing with him/her. Apparently you do too. Although I'm not sure it's honest to put words in his/her mouth.
Truth07040, are you trying to wage "class warfare" like Nil says?
Also, Nil, I know people who live in other parts of Maplewood (I live in the hills) who have more money than I do. Not everybody wants to put their money in a house. Some prefer to have second homes or large retirement accounts. It's foolish to keep generalizing this way. There are plenty of big houses outside the Jefferson area and plenty of small ones in it. And lots of variation in incomes and savings. I honestly can't tell Nil from your post if that's what you were saying, too.
See you at the French restaurant.
kathleen |
Thetruth07040
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 7:31 pm: | |
Townie,
I see..you consider a survey or an inquiry about where people attending an event might be from an interrogation. I guess in the world of marketing research that is inconceiveable. Heck, why would we want to know who is attending an event? It might actually tell us something. In fact, Townie, it is done all the time and it's not considered an interrogation.
Why don't I do some research regarding my idea? I'll tell you why..because I already pay an absurd amount of taxes and figure that it gives me the right to expect some answers from the town governing body. You are right. I absolutely want honesty. It just never occurred to me that the level of thinking that goes on in these discussions IS honest perhaps, but not very deep. This board appears to be for people who want to skirt the issues..or should I say panty the issues.
By the way, the Ridilin comment was a joke. Missing a sense of humor are we?
I do not want this to degenerate even farther into a verbal battle between you and I. Just, please, explaint to me one more time, why is it a bad idea to have PART of the town's 4th of July Celebration in another park? Why exactly is it a bad idea to perhaps have the Circus or the races or the pie eating contest, something, in another park? Please, for one moment, pull those panties up nice and tight, focus and give me an explaination...not a substitute plan..simply a rational reason why the town as a whole would not benefit by spreading the celebration out a bit, by letting people on BOTH sides of town feel like it is happening in their neighborhood, by healing some wounds and sharing the day? By the way, which side of town do you live on if I may ask? |
Nilmiester
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 9:20 pm: | |
Townie: I can't speak for truth07040 but there are sayings like "the wrong side of the tracks". Some people around here buy it and some don't. I am sure the truth07040 has been around here longer than you and has seen both good and bad in people in town. That's life. |
John
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 10:20 pm: | |
Truth,
I must say that your responses are getting more and more tiresome. I support your idea but to ask that it be done this year and without even presenting it to someone who can do something about it is absurd. Its one thing to have an idea and post it on the board. Its totally another to actually go through the right channels to get something done. If you posted your idea to see what others opinions of it were accept what they have to say. If you posted your idea to get something done, take the advice that was given to you about proposing it to the proper authorities. If you posted your idea just to cry that it will never be done, I feel really sorry for you. |
Gerardryan
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 10:43 pm: | |
Volunteer to help the Fourth of July committee this year. It takes a lot of hands to make things happen, and I know that they will be grateful for the help. Become part of the group that makes it happen and you'll be able to make changes to how it happens (lots of recent examples of this sort of thing, including but not limited to the neighborhood association softball games...) |
Thetruth07040
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 12:24 am: | |
Ok...I get the picture. I don't want any of you to waste precious time feeling "really sorry" for me. Are my postings getting tiresome because I keep trying to return to the issue? You don't get it. I guess I must just accept it. As for proposing it to the proper authorities, that was done. The suggestion was recognized here by the mayor who specifically asked the 4th planning committee if they cared to comment..which they apparantly didn't.
As for me, I'm done here. You can all go back to whatever it was you were doing before I interupted with this discussion.
Mr Ryan, thanks for the advice. I think I'll pass on the 4th celebration here this year. Perhaps I'll spend my time organizing a boycott or maybe just having that cookout...besides, I have to save up my energy for that big Turtle Race in Dehart. |
Luckystr52
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 1:31 am: | |
"truth"....I don't feel sorry for you...although I am no longer a member of the Maplewood community, I was for many years. I have often wondered why all the activities were held on the "village" side. I went to many activities in Maple Crest and felt very safe. Why can't they alternate the years and parks? Everyone enjoys the 4th of July celebration...why not give each side of town a chance to host it??? "truth"...don't pass on the 4th.....such a fun time........... |
Joancrystal
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 11:37 am: | |
"truth":
The people on this board are not denying you the right to your opinion. Please don't deny the rest of us the right to ours.
A few points of clarification:
Memorial Park is located on the EAST SIDE of the tracks not the WEST SIDE. Geographically, it is located in the MIDDLE. It is equally distant from remote parts of the EAST and WEST sides of town.
The 4th of July Celebration is not run by the Township. It is run by the Maplewood Civic Association, whose membership is open to anyone in Maplewood. If you want to recommend changes in how that particular celebration is handled, then work through them. I'm sure someone on this board could post the name of this year's chair person and a number to call to get involved.
When I read your initial post, I saw it as a quest to bring townwide activities out the Village and Memorial Park areas and spread them out to other parts of town. I took your reference to 4th of July to be an example not a fixation. Other posters apparently saw it the same way. Thus the alternative suggestions from those who felt that moving this particular activity might not work. |
Joancrystal
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 12:19 pm: | |
Got it! A 4th of July panty raid in an "East Side" park. Bix can organize it; Townie can supply the red, white and blue panties; and Truth... can ask everyone there what part of town they live in. Now there's something you won't find at Memorial Park! |
Eb1154
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 12:29 pm: | |
What if you don't wear panties? |
Ffof
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 1:09 pm: | |
Joancrystal- I have posted these very facts (on numerous occasions) about the location of Memorial Park, but "naysayers" don't seem to internalize this. |
John
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 1:37 pm: | |
MrRyan
Thanks for your suggestions. Any idea how one would go about volunteering? |
Thetruth07040
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 1:59 pm: | |
Talk amongst yourselves. You all seem to understand each other. Please speak softly. I wouldn't want you to wake your consciences. |
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