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     jeffl Supporter Username: Jeffl Post Number: 1542 Registered: 8-2001 |
Does anyone believe she can win? There's a lot of time between now and then but the thought of going into the next election with another candidate who can't win is terrifying. | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 787 Registered: 12-2003 |
She doesn't have a snowball's chance. If she gets the nod, we're screwed. Prediction: we're screwed. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 494 Registered: 10-2005 |
Does anyone know what other possible Dem candidates might run-I know JFK is eeying it again (no comment)....  | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2005 |
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator from Indiana, has been talked about as a possible candidate. I don't know if he is going to run or much about him, other than he is from a political family. | ||
| themp Supporter Username: Themp Post Number: 2479 Registered: 12-2001  |
http://santorumexposed.com/pages/video/stickerq.php | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3094 Registered: 3-2004 |
I think Hillary is terrific (sorry righties) and I think the right is scared of her, or they wouldn't be whining and screetching all over this message board. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1036 Registered: 5-2003 |
I think Hillary is a terrific senator, and a very smart woman. I would vote for her if she ran for a national office, but, unfortunately, I don't think she would win. I think that there is such a backlash against and hatred of smart, aggressive, alpha women in this country, that Hillary wouldn't have a chance. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1412 Registered: 3-2004 |
There's too much bile around Hillary and irrational if not obsessively aggressive preoccupation on the Republican side about the Clinton name. It makes most Republicans want to pee on their own breakfasts. Don't know why but it seems that way. So I hope to god she doesn't get the chance to run. And that Kerry doesn't get a chance to do a re-run of his lackluster campaign (although for a lackluster candidate, he came close to unseating Dubya). Besides, senators don't have a history of success when running for the White House. Let somebody else evolve during the next year or so. Vilsack seems an honorable guy, and there will be others. Edwards has the charisma and he knows how to engage a crowd when he speaks. I'd like to see Martin O'Malley, current mayor of Baltimore, on a ticket, or Marty Meehan, of Massachusetts. It's time to get the Irish back in the White House! Scrotey: will you do me the favor of learning how to spell? Will you please? You're offending my Jesuit education. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3096 Registered: 3-2004 |
I think a Gore/Obama, Hillary/Obama or Gore/Hillary ticket would sweep the country. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 568 Registered: 2-2004 |
tulip, From your lips to the DNC's ears. I hope they listen to you. I especially love option #3. Maybe the Repubs will counter with Dole/Laura. | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 39 Registered: 12-2005 |
I don't want to see Kerry again. He had his shot. He absolutely has no backbone. I've never heard any other politician give lengthy, seemingly eloquent speeches on important topics where he says absolutely nothing. Take a stand you believe in and defend it! People respect that. He is the quintessential politician- what do I say to get elected, how can I please the largest number of people without taking a stand and alienating any voter bloc. He's for the war, now he's against the war; he believes life begins at conception but is pro-choice (did he think that was going to win him conservative votes!?); he votes for the Patriot Act and now wants to change it. He saw the polls back in 2003 and 2004 about the war on terror and support for the War in Iraq and he thought he could outmilitary Bush. He used his Vietnam service (where he served honorably but ultimately concluded the war was a mistake and protested against it when he returned) to try and convince everyone he would be stronger and tougher. Maybe he should have been more of a leader in 2001 and read the Patriot Act and pointed out the problems before he voted for it. During the run up to war in 2003 maybe he should have looked at the intelligence more closely and used his Vietnam experience to speak out against rushing to war, rather than giving Bush the open ended resolution to go to war (which Bush is now citing as justificaation for warrantless spying on U.S. citizens). If he had taken such strong, independent positions, he still would have lost the election in 2004, but he'd be the frontrunner in 2008. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 498 Registered: 10-2005 |
Innisowen- Picking a fight? Ahhh, go sking or something! I will not make excuses about my spelling but I am at work and need to type quick... Sorry, Webster!  | ||
| Haight-Strawbury Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6683 Registered: 10-2001  |
Hillary could win and she's all the Dems have. Better line up behind her because if it's not her it's Kerry, Edwards, Dean all over again.. and we all know how that one worked out..  | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 571 Registered: 2-2004 |
bettyd, With 39 posts you don't know the world you entered so I will forgive you. While your thoughts are admirable you will soon see what I mean. Your statement about Kerry - "Take a stand you believe in and defend it! People respect that." - while admirable and is one I follow, isn't adhered to on this board. Bush has been doing exactly this for 5 years now and libs don't respect him. They simply use his convictions to trash him. You will see. And I agree with Straw. Hillary could win all, of my kidding aside. She is the only smart Dem who has pretty much stayed away from the Bush Bashing theme. Luckily, comments like hers last week show that she isn't the Super Political Diva everyone thinks she is. But she could win against a Bob Dole type lackluster Republican. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14479 Registered: 10-2001  |
Hillary is a horror show. She's just awful. I hope the Dems nominate her. It will make McCain or Rudy easy winners. | ||
| Haight-Strawbury Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6684 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'm thinking we may see a tix of McCain+Gingrich. I'm thinking the dems will counter with Hill+Obama... I'm beginning to think Rudy may be the next Attorney General under McCain. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1414 Registered: 3-2004 |
Scrotey: I am back from Vt for a few days but will be leaving again by late Thursday for the snow. Back to the salt mines for me for a while. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 |
I don't think Sen. Clinton would be much worse than any other Democrat or Republican that comes to mind. She can't really run as an anti-war candidate because she voted to give Pres. Bush the green light to invade Iraq, a country with no WMDs that posed no military threat to the US. What happened, did she forget to take her "brilliant" pill that day? Now she is making noise about imposing sanctions aginst Iran: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_go_co/clinton_princeton Hmm, first sanctions, and then.....? The irony is that she made this speech at the Woodrow Wilson School in Princeton. Wilson was a truly delusional man who managed to get 126,000 American soldiers killed in about 18 months for less than compelling reasons. Even the most partisan Democrat would have to admit that the current occup- ant of the Oval Office has not put numbers like that on the carnage scoreboard (at least, not yet). Cheers | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1415 Registered: 3-2004 |
Rudy is out of the public eye and too happy making tons of bucks in Giuliani Partners. Besides, he still has residual reputation damage for his unqualified support of Bernie Kerik for Homeland Security head, while "head" of a different kind was preoccuping Bernie in his illegal lower Manhattan pied a terre. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 10393 Registered: 5-2001 |
Old Turd Bloosom (aka Karl Rove) and his slime machine are licking their chops hoping Hillary is the Democratic Candidate. Whitewater, Vince Foster, etc. are all issues that will be slimed. Can't you see Turd man finding someone who will swear Hill pocketed millions? I think the committee will be called "Whitewater Vets for Truth". In the end the hard left of the party will have its way and we will see a Gore or a Kerry at the top of the ticket. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 573 Registered: 2-2004 |
And SNL is salivating at the thought! | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2005 |
Rudy Giuliani is getting nowhere near the White House. He looked like a leader after 9/11 but in all honesty, what politician wouldn't have in that situation? That goofy haircut, the lisp, and that photo of him in drag from the late eighties are enough to doom him, without even getting to his stand on the issues. | ||
| Twokitties Citizen Username: Twokitties Post Number: 365 Registered: 8-2004 |
I'm not a big fan of Hillary but I do think she has turned into a very good Senator for New York. She deserves some credit on that score. But I really don't think Hillary will "play in Peoria" and, consequently, I don't think she'll get through the primaries. Conversely, it should be interesting is to see what role the hard line conservative/christian right plays in the Republican primaries and if McCain can get through. I think they have highjacked the party and could make life difficult for him. | ||
| CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 564 Registered: 6-2003 |
What about the recently retired governor of I think VA. A conservative democratic who was very popular in his home state has expressed strong interest in the WH. I can't remember his name...if they pick Kerry again, I may not vote for the first time ever | ||
| Eats Shoots & Leaves Citizen Username: Mfpark Post Number: 2931 Registered: 9-2001  |
Warner is best shot for the Dems, with Bayh, Vilsack and Edwards as credible rivals. Obama is best bet for Veep, esp as Midwesterner to balance Warner. Hill will run a strong campaign with lots of money and generate lots of heat, but in the end she will fade and support the better ticket. Gore and Kerry have shot their wads, which the party will recognize. Barbour is the best shot for the GOP, with McCain and Romney as very credible rivals. Frist will fall flat, Giuliani and Pataki are non-entities for the greater party (other than as good fundraisers). This should be one of the most hotly-contested primary seasons in recent memory for both parties. It has already started in earnest. | ||
| Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 5180 Registered: 3-2002 |
Hillary is compelling because she probably would be at the top of the "most loved" and "most hated" lists. She is a vary capable and smart politician, which will be minimized since she'll be running against her history more than against an opponent. Why George Pataki and his advisors see him as a viable candidate escapes me...he is a zero. Rudy is not a zero, but has too many skeletons in his closet...although one of those skeletons, his first marriage to his first cousin, might lock in the Appalachian vote. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 580 Registered: 2-2004 |
Twokits, You and many other posters have turned this hard line right wing conservative into a figment in your mind. If McCain is shown early on that he will whip any Democrat then the conservatives will be right behind him. And if Newt backs him then the bible belt will be extremely happy. For my preference I'd rather see Newt at the head of the ticket, but if McCain will bring home a victory then I'll back him. As for the primaries being tough, that is always the case when their is no incumbent or VP interested. | ||
| Twokitties Citizen Username: Twokitties Post Number: 366 Registered: 8-2004 |
Maybe so Southerner, but Ralph Reed and Focus on the Family isn't a figment of my imagination. Bush interrupting his vacation in order to fly back to D.C. to pander to the Christian conservatives in the Schiavo case wasn't a figment of my imagination. Time will tell how much influence they have - November isn't that far away. | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1372 Registered: 9-2004 |
Rudy Giuliani is getting nowhere near the White House. DITTO! All that messing around while mayor,with Judy Nathan and the other chick he name as Commissioner of NY tourism while still married to Donna Hanover. Yup, the right-wing conservatives will love that! I admire Hillary. I think she's smart, she's done a good job as senator of NY, however, the White House? I believe the repugs would tear her apart if she ran. This will become a campaign of hate-filled rhetoric. Kerry is pretty much off the radar. I DO hope the Dems can come up with a reputable candidate. | ||
| sportsnut Citizen Username: Sportsnut Post Number: 2284 Registered: 10-2001  |
"I think she's smart, she's done a good job as senator of NY,..." What has she done? More importantly what has she done that anyone else couldn't have done? | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 2998 Registered: 5-2001  |
Regarding Hill, Rudy, and Kerry, I agree with Phenix. Not to raise any hackles, but I've always thought Gore was a great choice. Some of his stances on issues that right-wingers thoughtlessly dismiss as "loony" are actually getting more credibility every day, especially on environmental issues - which eventually become economic, health and quality-of-life issues. He's very smart, very well-informed, experienced, widely respected by government officials around the world, and as I recall he was relatively straightforward in his speeches. | ||
| Haight-Strawbury Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6686 Registered: 10-2001 |
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| Haight-Strawbury Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6687 Registered: 10-2001 |
National Review: DRUG LIE October 17; third presidential debate, St. Louis CLAIM: “The big drug companies…are now spending more money on advertising and promotion — you see all these ads — than they are on research and development.” TRUTH: The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation reported in July that drug companies spent between $5.8 billion and $8.3 billion on marketing and $21 billion on research in 1998, according to CBS News. — by John J. Miller FIRE LIE October 3, 2000; First presidential debate, Boston, Mass. CLAIM: “I accompanied James Lee Witt down to Texas when those fires broke out [in Parker County].” TRUTH: FEMA spokeswoman Mary Margaret Walker told NR: “During the fires in Parker County, Texas, the vice president participated in a roundtable about the fires with FEMA's regional director. . . . He was not with Mr. Witt at that time.” Gore admitted as much on ABC's Good Morning America: “I've made so many trips with James Lee to these disaster sites. I was there in Texas, in Houston, with the head of the Texas emergency management folks and with the federal emergency management folks. If James Lee was there before or after, then, you know, I got that wrong then.” — by John J. Miller & Kathryn Jean Lopez THE GIRL WITHOUT A SEAT October 3, 2000; First presidential debate, Boston, Mass. CLAIM: “I'd like to tell you a quick story. I got a letter today, as I left Sarasota, Florida. I'm here with a group of 13 people from around the country who helped me prepare and we had a great time. But two days ago we ate lunch at a restaurant and the guy who served us lunch sent — got me a letter today. His name is Randy Ellis, he has a 15-year-old daughter named Kailey, who's in Sarasota High School. Her science class was supposed to be for 24 students. She is the 36th student in that classroom, sent me a picture of her in the classroom. They can't squeeze another desk in for her, so she has to stand during class.” October 4, A.M. Tampa Bay, 970AM WFLA TRUTH: Dan Kennedy, principal of Sarasota High School: "I think the facts that he was provided with were inaccurate because we don't really have any students standing in class, and we have more than enough desks for all of our students. . . .[What Gore was referring to] was probably one of the first days of school when we were in a process of leveling classes. [Kailey] did have an opportunity to use a lab stool, which was also available in the classroom. But we were refurbishing that classroom, and in the back of that picture, if you look carefully, you can see probably about $100,000 worth of new lab equipment that was waiting to be unpacked, which is one of the reasons the room looked as crowded as it did. The teacher did not notify us that he needed another desk. Had we known, we would have put one in there immediately.” — by Kathryn Jean Lopez BUSH'S EXPERIENCE October 3, 2000; First presidential debate, Boston, Mass. CLAIM: “I have actually not questioned Governor Bush's experience.” TRUTH: In an interview printed by the New York Times on March 12, Gore said: “You have to wonder whether [Bush] has the experience to be president. I mean, you really have to wonder. ... You have to wonder: Does Governor Bush have the experience to be president? ... Again you have to wonder: Does George Bush have the experience to be president?” — by John J. Miller SLICK GORE Washington Post, Sept. 24 CLAIM: At Sept. 22 press conference, Gore says, “I've been a part of the discussions on the strategic reserve since the days when it was first established.” TRUTH: President Ford established the Strategic Petroleum Reserves when he signed the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA) on December 22, 1975 — two years before Al Gore became a congressman. — by Kathryn Jean Lopez OFF KEY USA Today, Sept. 19 CLAIM: Addressing a Teamsters meeting, Gore spoke of lullabies from his youth and sang, "Look for the union label." TRUTH: The song was written in 1975, when Gore was 27. — by Kathryn Jean Lopez ARTHRITIS PAIN Sept. 20, 2000; Associated Press CLAIM: The vice president told Florida senior citizens in an Aug. 28 speech that his mother-in-law pays $108 a month for the same arthritis medicine he gives his dog for $37.80 a month. TRUTH: The figures he used were taken from a House Democratic study and did not reflect his family's own costs. Moreover, the study's figures referred to wholesale prices, not prices paid by the consumer. — by Kathryn Jean Lopez DEBATING BUSH July 16, 2000; NBC'S Meet the Press CLAIM: "I've accepted for two or three months now your invitation to debate on this program," said Gore on NBC's Meet the Press. "How are you going to persuade [Bush] to say yes, Tim?" Tim Russert: "Well, maybe you're helping today." Gore: "Well, do you think so? But what kind of approach — can you get Jack Welch involved?" TRUTH: On the Today show on September 4, Gore refused to make good on this pledge. Matt Lauer: "I do want to remind you that back in July, you had already agreed to the Meet the Press debate with Tim Russert." Gore: "Sure." Lauer: "Why now reject it?" Gore: "I still agree to it. But first, let's do the commissioned debates." — by John J. Miller SOFT MONEY March 15, 2000; CNN CLAIM: "What I did yesterday was to call on the Democratic National Committee—and they'll comply with this—to not spend any of the so-called soft money on these issue ads unless and until the Republican Party does." TRUTH: "The Democratic National Committee announced a $25 million summer ad campaign, paid for with soft money. The Republicans, so far, have not bought ads with soft money for Bush." (for full story, click here.) Sorry Notey, he was full of crap. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8466 Registered: 4-1997  |
The Gore/Internet story is a model of successful, continuous lying by Republicans. Fortunately, we have Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp | ||
| Eats Shoots & Leaves Citizen Username: Mfpark Post Number: 2932 Registered: 9-2001 |
Speaking of lies, where are those weapons of mass destruction, anyway? Locked in the same vault with Bushie's military records? | ||
| Haight-Strawbury Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6688 Registered: 10-2001 |
Wow, you bring so much to the discussion.. boring | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1374 Registered: 9-2004 |
What has she done? More importantly what has she done that anyone else couldn't have done? according to this: “Hillary Clinton is viewed favorably by 63% of the state's voters, including 45% who have a "very favorable" opinion of her. Just 35% have an unfavorable view of their Junior Senator. Nationally, opinion of Hillary Clinton is more evenly divided.” She doing something RIGHT in the State of New York!!! | ||
| Eats Shoots & Leaves Citizen Username: Mfpark Post Number: 2933 Registered: 9-2001 |
YOU have the guts to say that to ME? Now, that is a good one.  | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1375 Registered: 9-2004 |
Speaking of lies, where are those weapons of mass destruction, anyway? Locked in the same vault with Bushie's military records? Good one ESL! | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4261 Registered: 5-2001 |
Straw raises a bunch of inconsequential statements and somehow thinks they balance against the thousands of dead in the Iraq war. Oh well, he's got his tax cuts, he'll go for anything. Long as he hears that "ka-ching" he's Bush's butt-boy. |
