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     Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1525 Registered: 3-2004 |
Yes, I am sure. And yes, I am also sure that many of our fellow citizens are not educated enough to withstand or sieve through the bulls--t that politicians and their lackies serve them. Media analysts have shown time and again that most Americans get their "information" from television and radio programs. Those represent hardly unbiased media on either side of the political spectrum. There's not a lot of analysis there on the part of the sender or the receiver, just tendentious drivel. Add to that the quality of education and instruction Americans receive (forget the elite and the private schools), and the constant pounding home of messages by the media. It surprises me that not more Americans have been dumbed down. You want indicators? Just read a lot of the postings on MOL, not even for content, your own among them, just for grammar, logic, and usage. That alone tells a lot about people's thought processes. And, no, I didn't have any drinks last night. I was preparing my presentations for a large meeting I'm leading in California starting Wednesday. Kind regards. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 696 Registered: 10-2005 |
Innisowen- Are you avoiding my questions? Again: So if I agree with even one statement by Limbaugh, Levin or Hannity then am I "stupid, ill-informed, poorly read and an easy prey?" And: Only the right wing has limp, insane liars? (sound of SLK's fingers tapping on desk waiting patiently...) | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1529 Registered: 3-2004 |
Sorry, I forgot to respond to that. If you agree to anything that any one of the three palms off as the result of a study or analysis or of "factual nature," yes, you probably are stupid, ill-informed, poorly read, and an easy prey. The only thing I would believe from any of the three of them is the statement, "and now for some commercial messages." "Only the right wing has limp, insane liars?" That was your statement, not mine. And I don't agree with the thought behind it. I believe that the liars on either side, left or right, are definitely NOT insane. They have "axes to grind," and they are paid well by their supporting ideologies to grind those axes. They present information in distorted ways, or misrepresent it, or in fact lie, but mostly in those jovial, "oh, gosh" ways that comfort listeners into thinking that these liars are "genuine folks, just like us." | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1530 Registered: 3-2004 |
Sorry, I forgot to respond to that. If you agree to anything that any one of the three palms off as the result of a study or analysis or of "factual nature," yes, you probably are stupid, ill-informed, poorly read, and an easy prey. The only thing I would believe from any of the three of them is the statement, "and now for some commercial messages." "Only the right wing has limp, insane liars?" That was your statement, not mine. And I don't agree with the logic behind it. I believe that the liars on either side, left or right, are definitely NOT insane. They have "axes to grind," and they are paid well by their supporting ideologies to grind those axes. They are deliberate in their misinformation. They present information in distorted ways, or misrepresent it, or in fact lie, but mostly in those jovial, "oh, gosh" ways that comfort listeners into thinking that these liars are "genuine folks, just like us, and wouldn't dream of lying to us." | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1531 Registered: 3-2004 |
sorry for the duplicate posting | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4344 Registered: 5-2001 |
reminds me of the old line, "Hello, he lied." | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 54 Registered: 6-2002 |
So this entire discussion over incompetence reduces to whether one can agree with a single statement from Rush or Hannity and not be an idiot? Are you kidding? Rush and Hannity are ENTERTAINERS whose main topic has to be politics, although they often veer into social issues. If I took them seriously, I would go nutty. For what it is worth, I agree with them on occasion-- but who cares? Bill Maher is a comedian and is often liberal, but I wouldn't hold adherence to his ideas as a litmus test for anything. Same with Al Franken. If there is a single disturbing thread to this topic, it is the degree to which so many of my neighbors seem to refuse to think on their own. Maybe I'm looking for something that isn't there, but I kind of expected a better debate in Maplewood. It seems to come down to name calling and "my team's better than your team". I don't want to be a killjoy, but what's with that? | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 664 Registered: 2-2004 |
Kendall, I agree with your last post. Those guys are entertainters. And I also agree you came to the wrong place if you expected better. Inni, Thank you for finally typing what most libs believe. Most libs deep down agree with your assumption that the only reason Bush won is because the masses are ignorant. Most of them aren't as bold or have the convictions you have to to state it publicly. Although I completely disagree, I respect your position. And although I respect your position my political opinion is that it will continue to cause the candidates with your views to lose which is good for me. And I can never understand the personal animosity on this board. This is politics not personal. No one believes they are changing the world on this message board (maybe Paul and his group) so why do so many posters get so worked up. Can't we just enjoy the discussion? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4345 Registered: 5-2001 |
You and I know they're entertainers, but there are a woeful number of Americans who don't. They listen to what they say day after day and hour after hour and, after a while, come to believe it's true. It fits in neatly with a lot of their prejudices, which helps make it go down more smoothly. I know this is true, because I get it from my parents all the time. When RNC talking points start coming out of the mouth of my 72-year-old Ohio middle-class suburban mother -- who once told me she would have voted for Bobby Kennedy -- I feel like it's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4346 Registered: 5-2001 |
We saw the talk-radio talking points here after Katrina, when it was dutifully reported on Fox et al and spewed right back here, how [insert name of Louisiana Democratic politician here ] dropped the ball on something or other, ergo Bush was powerless. In other words, the right-wing media is complicit in hiding the competency issue. But that said, you're right, it's not the main point of this thread. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1540 Registered: 3-2004 |
Ah, Southerner, I'm gonna cry; eww, that smarts! Do you really believe the same electorate that swallows lies whole hog (from either side of the spectrum) is informed? Do you really believe that Karl Rove on the one side and his ilk on the other have any high opinion of the people who elect them? There has to be a limit to unyielding naivete, even yours. And if candor bothers you, as it seems to (when it clashes with your point of view), so be it. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2002 |
I don't believe the public is ignorant. If anything, I think they are careless or unthinking. And that goes both ways, with both parties. It interesting that, in many elections, if the polls deal with 1) what issues are important 2) what is your position on those issues and 3) who will you vote for, 1 + 2 dont jibe with 3. In some ways, I think that happened in 2004. I know many, many very smart people that voted for Bush but on policies they couldn't be further from the Bush POV. And I don't think it is unfair to point out that, at least in this cycle, Karl Rove has found a way to exploit the disconnect better than the dems. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 666 Registered: 2-2004 |
Inni, We agree so hold off on your attacks. Of course Rove and company are doing exactly what you say. I don't have unyielding naivete. Let me make this clear for about the 20th time - all politicians are basically selfish pompous bottom feeders. I stated this on many occassions. Now with that said, what are we to do? Sit back and do nothing, regardless of which side you fall on? Heck no. I expect those oppossed to the principals of this POTUS to go after him. As for me, while I don't like politicians in general and disagree with this admin on several issues, I am not going to sit back and simply give up to the liberal left. I would rather have a conservative Republican with whom I disagree on a few issues than a liberal Democrat with whom I disagree with on just about every issue. And as for the uniformed electorate, sure they are. I never stated I disagreed with your analysis. I simply think the conservatives do a better job at getting our message out to the uninformed than the Dems. Both sides play this game so it's a wash. If a Dem wins the next election I doubt you will be lambasting the ignorant electorate like you just did. I won't bash them although I'll think they made a wrong choice. I'll simply work like heck to get the conservative message out to more people for the next round. And lastly Inni, I love candor. I'm pretty candid and so are you. I was serious when I said I respected your opinion even though I disagreed. At least you say what you mean instead of dancing around the issue like so many posters. I am not offended by opinion contrary to mine. If I did I would never come to this board. Now, yes, I do enjoy watching you libs scream and scream about Bush, and I do enjoy mocking a few posters who make outrageous claims. But on the whole I just enjoy the political game. When a Dem gets into the White House, you libs will have four years to enjoy the conservative whining and screams. I'm not a whiner so you won't see me making those type of stupid posts. I'll be too busy analyzing why a Dem did better than a Repubs and then try to fix it. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 57 Registered: 6-2002 |
If you haven't yet, I'd really reccomend the Chuck Hagel article in the Times Magazine. The term coined in the article about Hagel's position is "competent governance"-- and later on, someone says he will have difficulty running for president because he has a "sad face". How the hell did we get to this point?? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4760 Registered: 9-2001  |
“...do I really believe Bush is conservative?” I guess I still owe you a reply Kendalbill... First, in 2010 Bush will be rated in the top 20%, and to your other question, he is a conservative as often as he can be. I guess if left alone he probably would have walked more in Reagan’s shoes than say Nixon, but fate had other plans for him. At the moment I believe his political persuasion is more avant-garde than anything else. He looks into the future but doesn’t like what the world will look like if he relied on the UN or the liberal mentality. The man is presently the worlds leading advocate for freedom and world peace and his alternatives of achieving it are limited. I believe he’s fixated on the view that OBL is the antichrist, and that terrorism must be eradicated at all costs. IMHO, Bush has correctly recognized that the West is engaged in a holy war with Islam, and he's the only one standing between peace and world chaos. Rather than waiting for another 911, he brought the fight to the enemy. Now, no matter what decision he makes, he’ll be damned either way. Unfortunately, this is the way it is, and there’s no crystal ball. The call to arms is, you’re with us or you’re against us. Being I can’t trust OBL and the terrorists, I’ll continue to support our President. Only history will set the record straight. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 12472 Registered: 1-2003  |
After 9/11, the headline in the French paper was "we are all Americans". Sometimes, I think an American headline should have been "we are all Israelis" because now we have to live with terrorism as part of our landscapes. How do Israelis do it? They get up every day, knowing that a terrorist attack may hit them or nearby. Well, somehow, they do it. And it is not part of their every thought. And it shouldn't be. Dying by terrorism is an awful thought. But it's not the worst danger. We are putting too many resources into fighting terrorism, let alone how badly we are doing it. It's rather like putting duct tape on our windows without buckling up in the car. Except we are buying so much duct tape that we can't afford gas. I know this will be misinterpreted but here goes. The terrorism threat is overplayed. It is out of proportion to the real risk. Sure, the government should search for and fight the bad guys. I even favor tougher border patrol and immigration laws. But terrorism is a major distraction from more important issues. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1513 Registered: 8-2004  |
Tom, you are right. It is much more important that we have affordable health care to help pay for all the claims that arise from a chemical, biological or nuclear terrorist attack. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 58 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks for the reply, Art. I appreciate your outlining your opinion. At least you were thoughtful. If I believed we were engaged in a "holy war" with Islam, I suppose I would also diminish many of the other things Bush has done. IMHO, Bush has broadened a war with factions within radical Islam. A very scary, volatile and dangerous group for sure, and a group we have every right and responsibility to fight-- but a narrow section of the religion. Is Bush responsible for the growth of radical Islam? Not originally. But at this point his administration has unilaterally gone to war (well OK, England, Italy and Poland hopped aboard, but it was a very small club), parsed the definition of torture, held enemy combatants without charge, expanded the practice of extroidanary rendition....If his job was to keep us safe from radical Islamic factions at all cost, it is still a balancing act between what he can do and what he should do. And I think decisions he has made have given propaganda tools to the very factions he should be fighting. It isn't about being right or righteous but effective. And, please, lets not talk appeasement, that is not what I am saying at all. Do I think I am safer now? Better question: do I think western culture is closer to a balance of interest and tension with radical Islam? Are we moving toward stability or away? By the way, Art: I often travel in some pretty conservative Christian circles and I have to ask-- do you really believe OBL is the anti-christ or is that a figure of speech? You may not know this, but the is a large group of people who believe we are in a real holy war, end times and all. (and for what it is worth, let me quickly say I don't believe a single word of it) THAT would be an interesting debate.... | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 59 Registered: 6-2002 |
I guess everyone is at work, postings are coming a mile a minute--- so much for American productivity. Guy, I know we have to guard against terrorism, that a given. But how many Americans died last year from lack of health care? Isn't it possible to at least TRY to address both issues? Tom's right, we spend so much time being scared that we forget to be smart. That doesn't mean giving up fighting Al Queda but it does mean addressing issues back home. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 12476 Registered: 1-2003 |
Guy, what do think of the government's preparation for and response to Katrina? Bear in mind that Bush's big selling point is that he works to make America safe. I believe in dealing with things in proportion to their probability. You appear not to. Why is that? | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1514 Registered: 8-2004 |
Tom and Bill, we have a 2.77 trillion dollar budget. Billions and Billions for education, poverty, medicare,and other social programs that dwarf what we spend on defense against terrorism. The response to Katrina could have been better on all levels of government. I am waiting for specific details on what exactly went wrong and right before I make a judgement. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 61 Registered: 6-2002 |
Guy, it sounds like we will have a first report on Weds. And I don't want to be presumptuous, but I can guess that there will be blame spread all around. And there should be, from what I see. But the failings of the local (dem) govt in Louisiana is a very different thing from the failings of the new Dept of Homeland Security responding to their first catastrophe. After Katrina, I heard so many people and pundits talk about the mayor and gov. down there and how they didn't respond properly. What a smokescreen. Let me stipulate this now: the democratic political culture in Louisiana, the most corrupt state in the union, failed to adequately respond to a once in a lifetime storm. Home of Huey Long, David Duke, Governor Edwards, historically and legendarily corrupt Louisiana didn't provide good government when the chips were down. Tragic, yes. But sorry, I am not shocked. Now if the point the Bush administration wants to make about their effectiveness is that their response was no worse than Louisiana's, be my guest. But, god forbid, if there was a hit on the chemical plants in Elizabeth I have absolutely no faith that Homeland Security could get my family to safety-- none. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1516 Registered: 8-2004 |
bill, if there was a hit in Elizabeth, the same rules apply. State and Local officials are first responders. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yeah, I know. But the argument, the spin, the talking pts on Katrina have seemed to be to point to the local govt's ineffectiveness and say, "look how poor their response was". I could argue (now, before the report) that their response was better in some ways than the conventional wisdom, but it is a seperate issue from whether FEMA or Homeland Sec. knew what they were doing. And if local authorities are overwhelmed, and we suspect they will be in advance, then isn't there a role for the Federal Govt? Again, the report will probably clarify. I know this is an easy argument to have, but if local govt failed in LA it was not because they were not engaged. Ray Nagin evacuated 80-90% of a major city in the days leading up to the hurricaine. Obviously he was engaged. I think, from the little bit we know already, Brown and Chertoff were caught off guard in the storm. The emails released from Brown's office alone were the most humiliating things I've seen. Guy, I know its an easy target but you cant call this competent goverment. And this is tied to the very issue most people support Bush on- his ability to make us safe. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5168 Registered: 8-2003 |
Yes, if the locals can't handle a disaster, there can be a role for the Feds. That would entail passing legislation where the President says to the mayor or governor of the state in effect "you're outta here. I'm going to take the fall for this so I have to have the ultimate power to run the entire operation. You must obey all of my commands." Almost like declaring martial law. Try getting that legislation passed. After that, you have to make disaster plans at the federal level for the entire country. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1518 Registered: 8-2004 |
bill, there you go with the incompetent angle again. I don't buy into the Anderson Cooper hysteria. The federal response to Katrina could have been better. Things need to be fixed, but it was not a complete failure. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 63 Registered: 6-2002 |
Guy-- first, when I brought up this topic, incompetence was the main subject. And I have yet to have anyone prove that this President is up to the job. About Katrina, I think maybe we could take it to another thread. But the Bush supporters argument seems to be that everyone made mistakes so they are all equal. They're not. And as for Anderson Cooper, bring back Aaron Brown. If you want some great reporting on Katrina, goes to The Times-Picayune. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 68 Registered: 6-2002 |
I'm reading some of the early leaks about the report on Katrina. Seems pretty damning. Is the new spin that Bush is competent in everyway EXCEPT managing the Dept of Homeland Security? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4764 Registered: 9-2001 |
You’re welcome Kendalbill... If it’s not a "holy war" with Islam, what do you think it is? I totally agree that radical Islam is a very scary, volatile and dangerous group. As for it being a narrow section of the religion, you’ve got that backwards. The narrow section is the very small minority of Islam that speaks out against the radicals in their religion… The radical Japanese were not much worst than what we see in the Middle East today, and in particular, Iran and North Korea. Close your eyes for a minute and visualize their troops marching and the display of weapons in their parades. Listen closely to what they are telling us. Think back on what they've already done against us. Both those countries are on war footings as we speak. Thanks to Bush they are satisfied to be fighting and killing us in Iraq at the moment. When they perfect their weapons that will change. Everyone knows what it took to end the war with Japan, and IMHO, if diplomacy doesn’t work pretty soon, I believe we will have no choice but to repeat history again. Everyone with a grade school education learned that diplomacy didn't work prior to WWII, and it won't work now!!! All the libs and peace activists can bet their treasured "Hate Bush" buttons that if our enemies get all the WMD, and ability to use them that they keep pushing for, they’ll use it in a heartbeat. FWIW, Bush is not responsible for the growth of radical Islam, not originally, and not now. His job is to keep us safe at all cost. Any expansions of the acts of hate are just misinterpretations of the facts, and are quite honestly a good thing. I believe they can only further help us to identify and clarify the problems the world is facing. The cartoon flair up was one of the best things that could have happened now. I only wish the US had also published them along with Denmark. Wake up America, we're at war! Are we safer? You can bet we’re now safer than ever before, plus the entire western world has become more in touch with Islam, as they well should be. As for stability in the world, there isn’t any and there won’t be any until we kick some serious •••. Iran and North Korea are at the top of that ••••-kicking list. And yes, OBL, is the Anti-Christ. I believe it was Nostradamus who first warned us of the coming of the White Turban... I carry a sharp stick that I will drive into his heart in case he ever shows up at my B&B...  Listen, I’ll tell you something you don’t seem to know. I also know the large group of people you speak of who believe in the holy war. As a matter of fact our troops are fighting them in Iraq and around the world every day. They’re called Muslims, and I suggest you and the other non-believers start to listen to what they’re telling us. They mean business and unless the west gets their act together they will destroy the world as we know it. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 69 Registered: 6-2002 |
Art, I really appreciate the way you put your thoughts out there-- you sure don't hold back. Thanks for not being glib-- its good to see someone be direct here. But I can't disagree more. Right down the line, I disagree with every point you make. And, simply put, I feel my security is threatened in ways that never ever occured to me 10 years ago. I am not for appeasement or accomidation, but some model of containment seems to make more sense that obliteration on the Muslim world. If this new world is a world that includes this radical element, we have to be a hell of a lot smarter than we are now. I hope your comments were done for effect-- and I dont want to be a killjoy, but suggesting a nuclear response to Muslim states doesn't seem like a good idea or even decent hyperbole-- it just seems scary and irrational. And ignorance and bigotry by Muslims against the west is not best attacked by the same from us. You seem to think the Muslim faith is at fault here, not these radical elements. I guess you differ with the President's speeches on the subject. I don't think it helps to be blind to what is going on, there are some really bad people out there that want to hurt us in the name of their faith. But Muslims are overwhelmingly peaceful-- there are 1.75 billion muslims worldwide in every country. If there were united in their determination to anihilate the US, wouldn't we be the ones living in caves? And as for holy war, I think that every time we refer to this as "holy", we get one step farther from what we need to be doing. Maybe its me, but I have a very hard time believing any war can be holy. Hey, look, I disagree but you were honest and straight and you deserve my respect for that. Its just that you are completely wrong. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4765 Registered: 9-2001 |
"And I have yet to have anyone prove that this President is up to the job." Well your wait is over pal! When you brought up this topic, incompetence was the main subject. Well, I have yet to read where anyone has substantially PROVEN that this President is either incompetent or NOT up to the job. Get real folks, we're talking about the President of the United States of America, not some slug working for a weeks wage like most of you running your mouth and flapping your lips here. And forget about Katrina already, there will be plenty more disasters to deal with in every part of the globe, every year. The real issue is the global war on terror. And, as a Bush supporter I welcome the arguments that not everyone makes mistakes. Using Katrina as just one example, there were more mistakes and blame to go around at every level of government than we can begin to count. I don't even want to go into the mistakes made by the residents of NO and throughout the Gulf Coast. When the hell will people begin to take responsibility for their lives? When you live in a flood zone expect floods. Whatever the problem, wherever you live, whatever news media you read or listen to, people must pay attention, take responsibility, and look out for themselves and their families. Sure, government can try to help, but people have to at least try to mitigate some of the problems on their own. I mean if you’re crossing the tracks and you hear the train whistle blowing, get out of the way for Gods sake…. I know this all comes as a shock to many of you on this board, but life can be a real bitch sometimes. I'm in business for 46 years, a very rough and tough business. I'm known to tens of thousands as the master of disasters. When most people just think about me coming, they hide. On the front of our tow trucks there's a sign that says, "Expect No Mercy"... That's not because of anything we do, it's because of what others fail to do! I have little or no time for the lazy and the stupid. Remember, stupid is as stupid does! Listen, I do feel sorry for the bad things that happen to others, and most often I reach out to help them. However, I have no respect for the crybabies and big talkers on these boards that claim to speak for the disadvantaged. IMHO, helping people is an action to take, not a conversation to make! | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14588 Registered: 10-2001  |
Owsley's pioneering work continues | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5042 Registered: 10-1999  |
It's unfortunate that the screaming commentators on Fox News, or Limbaugh and Hannity, make it acceptable for some people to think that's it's perfectly acceptable to slander the majority of Muslims with lines like this - "I totally agree that radical Islam is a very scary, volatile and dangerous group. As for it being a narrow section of the religion, you’ve got that backwards. The narrow section is the very small minority of Islam that speaks out against the radicals in their religion…"Some of the people who are the subject of a comment like that are our neighbors. People should learn a little more, and not rely on what you hear on right-wing radio to form your opinions. As for this - "I have little or no time for the lazy and the stupid. Remember, stupid is as stupid does!"Sorry, I'll try better next time, chief.  | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 669 Registered: 2-2004 |
Reingold, I agree that the threat of terrorism is overblown to most of the country. I just can't believe someone who lives where you do would feel this way. When the terrorists get a dirty or nuclear bomb, they are going to put it either in DC or NYC. The rest of the country is pretty darn safe from these guys. Since I am now far removed from a threat area I agree with you. I just can't believe living 20 miles from NYC you have that opinion. And although I agree the terrorism threat is overplayed, politically speaking its a winning issue for Republicans and I hope they continue running with it. As long as we can continue to make Hillary make remarks like she did the other day (I take a backseat to no one....) it continues to show who pulls the strings. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4766 Registered: 9-2001 |
"If this new world is a world that includes this radical element, we have to be a hell of a lot smarter than we are now." I’ll start with you Kendalbill. There is no “IF” in your statement... The world does include a radical element that must be eliminated off the face of the earth. IMHO, hate and murder does not work well with peace and love. If as I just read, there are 1.75 billion Muslims who are overwhelmingly peaceful worldwide, I suggest they better make their car payments pretty soon, because I'm sick and tired of listening to you folks telling me their checks are in the mail!!! Listen, given we can’t seem to find any common ground, and you disagree with every point I make, I will respectfully bow out of this conversation with you. I learned a long time ago, “Someone convinced against their will, is of the same opinion still.” I think I’ll just have to call in and speak to Limbaugh, Hannity, or Mark Levin to pick up my spirits. BTW Nohero, you better shape up pal, or next time we clash I won't be so easy on you... And, as for you "S", what the hell does Owsley have to do with Ajc? | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14589 Registered: 10-2001 |
Everything. P.S. Did you get your computer fixed? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4768 Registered: 9-2001 |
NO! I'm stuck at my office in Newark now, otherwise I probably wouldn't even bother with all this jabber... Actually, it's not all that bad. Having that bug on my computer at home is improving my sex life...  Listen, it seems everyone forgot to make their car payments last month and we're busy as a one arm paper-hanger in a snow storm. So when is the best time to call you? I may not get out of here till midnight. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14593 Registered: 10-2001 |
When you admit that Bush is an idiot, pal  | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4770 Registered: 9-2001 |
...that will never happen! After all these years, you know me better than that pal. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14599 Registered: 10-2001 |
Well sometime this week I'll fix it. And as a special bonus, I'll rig a popup on your machine so that every time you press the "W" key, his picture will appear with a caption saying Sbenois says I'm an idiot and he's right. I'll take it off your pc when that poor hunter that Cheney tried to murder is healed. |
