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     tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3221 Registered: 3-2004 |
The position to sell the ports to this Middle Eastern company and the resulting outrage were anticipated, and it was all orchestrated. The timing of that, and the partial birth abortion Supreme Court case, and maybe even the delay in announcing the hunting accident, was planned to obfuscate and change the subject away from the Wilson case. They must be really guilty, to be able to take the heat on the port sale, as the lesser of two evils in the place of the heat about outing a classified CIA agent by claiming the VP has the authority to declassify information. Think about how all these outrageous events have taken place all at once. There must be something to hide. | ||
| MBJ Citizen Username: Mbj Post Number: 145 Registered: 10-2005 |
LOL. Funny post. Thanks. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3222 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thanks for bumping it. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1559 Registered: 8-2004  |
They can't be that guilty since it's been over 2 years and nobody has been charged with outing a covert CIA agent. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3223 Registered: 3-2004 |
Guy: That's because a genius has been orchestrating an intimidation crusade, highlighted by obfuscation, changing the subject, making everyone look the other way for all those years. They are using this craziness. The more crazy the POTUS and his spokespeople, the better. It's the only way Rove can turn these lunatics into an advantage for the whole administration, that is, by having them throw out outrageous ideas that will put everyone up in arms. They have to be hiding something, and it's probably the treasonous behavior of the very same administration. Unfortunately, the plausibility of my theory will only be demonstrated with time, of which you on the far right, seem to have so little. By outrageous events, I refer to Harriet Miers, anti-abortion, claiming not to know Abramoff, threat warnings, feeding lies to the press to scare the public, feeding a mess to, and hence framing, the expendable Scooter Libby, the whole mess. This is how they kept going for two years, after having committed treason. No one was paying attention. It kept the country obsessed. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1561 Registered: 8-2004 |
tulip , the only thing you might be able to hide is intent. Fitzgerald knows who leaked to Novak . That person has not been charged. It looked like Fitz was intimidating Rove, not the other way around. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3224 Registered: 3-2004 |
Guy: Fitz is waiting for, and working for a flip. He's trying to get Cheney to blink. Instead of blinking, he's collapsing in other ways. It's not a backfire yet, however. Either my theory of smokescreen is right, or these guys ("superiors" of Libby) are so guilty, they're flubbing up out of sheer (gulp) guilty conscience. Unfortunately, I don't think they have consciences, so there goes that theory. By the way, other things to blow a smokescreen: slow response to 1) tsunami 2) Katrina 3) countless other things, including the hunting accident | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5216 Registered: 8-2003 |
"Obsessed" is right. | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 289 Registered: 11-2002  |
Tulip and Foj have been seen scouring the grassy knoll for the 2nd shooter... | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3225 Registered: 3-2004 |
cjc: Your man is backed against the wall again. He's had a horrible idea, on the very surface of it, and it has drawn an understandable response. I am merely trying to put it all together. He and his administration are either too stupid to do anything right at all, or they are essentially corrupt, and doing ridiculous and heinous things like sending people to war on false premises, lying all over the place, refusing to respond in reasonable time to crises, placing the blame on underlings who are crony appointments, and whose lack of competence is the fault of people who appointed them, having horrible ideas. What's the reason, cjc? Are they merely the gang who couldn't shoot straight? That was they hue and cry yesterday when everyone was trying to give Cheney a pass because he admitted to shooting his friend. Now, they don't look so warm and fuzzy. What will it be tomorrow? Selling the Statue of Liberty to Qadaffi? YOU tell ME what's going on... Are they tired? | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3226 Registered: 3-2004 |
..and yes, I am obsessed, because these are dangerous times and we have people in power in this country (therefore the world) who are either terribly stupid, or corrupt, or just plain incompetent. It's terribly disturbing to me. Apparently it feels like business as usual to you. | ||
| Steve R Jones Citizen Username: Sjthinker Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2005 |
somebody needs therapy | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4085 Registered: 12-2001  |
Tulip, You really have lost your grip when you start weaving incompetence (Katrina) and accidents (hunting) into your plot. Now with regard to the tsunami response, it seems to me that Bush's mistake here was missing an opportunity for some theater. Clinton would have been all over that disaster feeling people's pain left, right and center. And then when we did send aid, you complained that it was the wrong kind. You wanted our aid workers to be wearing the blue tutu of the U.N. as opposed to the uniforms of the U.S. military. This even though a U.S. carrier battle group is the most effective source of aid available in a case like this. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3227 Registered: 3-2004 |
In retrospect, I don't care whose tutu they're wearing. The whole two years have been outrageous. I should have expected it, however, given the nature of the candidacy, the outrageous statements being made by the president then, as a candidate and now, as a president (which are much more significant than mine) and the blase personality of the vice president. When it looked like he was going to win in 2004, my younger son said, "I hope he wins again. Then everyone will see what a jerk he is." Amen to that. tjohn: Just because I list a series of outrages together, doesn't mean I equate them. The hunting accident doesn't hold a candle to the delays regarding the tsunami and the Katrina fiasco. This latest proposition regarding the ports, however, is more than a sin of omission. It's unbelieveable. It's truly a sell-off of the economic heart of the country. | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4087 Registered: 12-2001 |
I still don't understand the ports flap. There may be a real security risk, but nobody has explained how it would work. In terms of the economic sell-off, let me see if I understand how this would work. 1. You are a foreigner and you buy a lot of factories and port facilities in my country. So, I have your money and you have physical plant in my country. 2. We have a falling out - in fact, we go to war. I irrevocably repossess the physical plant you purchased and we move on with our lives. (For extra credit, inventory the current economic value of German assets we acquired in this way in WW I and WW II.) Sounds like a good deal to me. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 810 Registered: 10-2005 |
Everyone- No worries, this is just typical tulip ranting. Isn't it time to refill your prescriptions dear? -SLK | ||
| MBJ Citizen Username: Mbj Post Number: 148 Registered: 10-2005 |
Tulip, Do you do your stand-up routine for kid's parties too? | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1587 Registered: 7-2004  |
tulip: just remember, if they attack your character it's because they're too dumb and lazy to refute your words. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 47 Registered: 1-2006 |
Was Cheney inebriated at the time of the shooting? http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8184.shtml Cheeers. | ||
| drewdix Citizen Username: Drewdix Post Number: 1131 Registered: 7-2001 |
Not sure about the quality of this source, and it falls short of naming names, which is always cause for doubt. But it's certainly confident "reporting" and if true it would certainly explain their obfuscation and delay. Why else did the Secret Service confiscate Whittington's blood test? But I reserve judgement until this gets much more legs. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 819 Registered: 10-2005 |
Robert- Yup, that's it. Obviously you don't know tulip like the rest of us do.... -SLK | ||
| MBJ Citizen Username: Mbj Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2005 |
I agree with Tulip and Livingston. It's a all a big plot. Yawn. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 821 Registered: 10-2005 |
MBJ LOL...  | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2006 |
obsess: "to haunt or trouble in mind, esp. to an abnormal degree" (a transitive verb not taught in our schools, by Halliburton design); from the Latin obsessus, pp. of obsidere, to besiege. jd | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3228 Registered: 3-2004 |
SLK, MJB, dranove, et.al You people have long supported a man, now our president, who has brought upon us the most horrible situation known to human history. We are on the precipice of a nuclear holocaust, we have driven an entire sovereign nation to near civil war, we have alienated ourselves in standard isolationist fashion from the rest of the world, we are on the brink of energy insufficiency, climate collapse and global environmental mismanagement, and he is selling off our country as we speak. Now, he distances himself from the sell-off, saying he didn't know about it until it was about to happen. Poor excuse, for him, and for you. You've been wrong, and as near monsters driven to distraction by your own vanity and fear of taxes, you have launched yourselves into your own downfall. God help you, SLK, MJB, and all. Robert, I don't take offense, but I am sorry that a bunch of whiney losers have taken over this message board, possibly Maplewood, and clearly, the United States government. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 86 Registered: 1-2006 |
Tip toe through the tulips with me and answer the following. Does the last post betray any of the following, in your anonymous opinions. a: haunted; b: troubled; c: besieged; d: hysterical, as in excessive anxiety, or e: all of the above. j(not)d | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3229 Registered: 3-2004 |
Strange talk from someone who called himself a "dead white male." Maybe you should look to the canned president of Harvard for some advise and comfort, dranove. I hear he thinks women can't think. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 49 Registered: 1-2006 |
Tulip, You do all of us isolationists a disservice when you say "we have alienated ourselves in standard isolationist fashion from the rest of the world". President Bush is not an isolationist. In fact, in last month's State of the Empire speech, he railed against isolationism. Isolationists believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy. Our conduct in the Middle East over the last 6 decades has been anything but isolationist, beginning with Old Rubberlegs schmoozing with Abdulaziz: http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/newsletter2005/saudi-relations-interest-02-12. html down to our current adventure in Baghdad. In between was Iran in 1953, Suez in 1956, various wars and skirmishes in the 60s and 70s culminating in President Carter's decision to arm the mujahedin in Afghanistan at the behest of Ziggy B. Of course, President Reagan then picked up the Stinger and ran with it. None of this was a good idea and the blowback has been fierce. The way to end it is to disengage and stop meddling in the economic and miltary affairs of other countries. We could make a start by withdrawing our troops from Europe, the Middle East and the Far East and terminating all economic and military aid to all countries. Needless to say, the Republicans will never do this and neither will the Democrats. I can only conclude that "isolationists" are about as influential in Washington, D.C. as I am on MOL! Cheers | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3232 Registered: 3-2004 |
Threering: I don't know if you recall, but there's an environmental agreement called the Kyoto Accords, which Bush has refused to sign, even though most industrial nations have done so, and previous presidents did. I don't know if you also recall, but most nations have left the "coalition of the willing" which now sounds hollow and quaint, in the "war" in Iraq. I don't know if you recall, but the United Nations among the right wingers, is considered to be a joke, even though many nations around the world belong. I don't know if you recall, but the Geneva Accords were agreed upon by many nations, while Bush has been flouting them as not pertaining to the treatment of prisoners of war of the US (a war that was never declared._) I don't know if you recall, but the entire Republican Party is distancing itself from this latest Bush gaffe, concerning the ports, and Dubai, of which even he is trying to distance himself. Seems the Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld and of course, Cheney contingent of Repubs are the architects of a neo=isolationism, and even Bush finds it a bit lonely. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5223 Registered: 8-2003 |
Jeez, tulip. Clinton couldn't get Kyoto ratified if he tried as many Democrats wouldn't support it either. Kyoto exempts the #2 polluter in the world who will be using more fossil fuels than the US by 2010 or so. Geneva applies to prisoners of war. It doesn't apply to enemy combatants or soldiers out of uniform (sometimes known as enemy combatants, sometimes as spies who are legally shot under the rules of war). Just because loser nations belong to the UN doesn't mean it's credible. Bolton dared to have a hearing on sex abuse and financial corruption of recent UN Piece-keeping and was excoriated for even convening one -- something the UN has yet to undertake along with much needed reforms because IT'S A CORRUPT BODY! And your definition of isolationism is something I can't comprehend as you apply it to the Bush Administration. But I do get a kick out of your posts. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 115 Registered: 6-2002 |
About the link to "Capitol Hill Blue" a few back: I'll say it again here-- the issue to me was how did the Secret Service let a bunch of old men drink beer and start shooting guns at dusk around the VP? If you look at the map in the recent Newsweek, the Secret Service was no where to be seen-- how does this happen? Is there job only to guard against terroruists and not stupidity itself? Even if Cheney didn't down a six pack, he is on so many meds for his heart that a few beers had to impair his judgement. And the man is totally entitled to get as messed up as he wants- he's under a lot of pressure. Just keep him away from guns and the launch codes and we're all gonna be fine. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 51 Registered: 1-2006 |
Tulip, I call myself an isolationist and I would define it in foreign policy terms as non-interventionist. I am skeptical of international treaties, agreements and organizations. I realize that my views are not popular or widely respected, but there is a precedent in American history for at least some of what I am saying. You could read Washington's Farewell Address for starters. Having said that, I am completely baffled at how you, or anyone, could conceivably call the current administration isolationist. I can think of a lot of adjectives to use, but "isolationist" is not one of them. Cheers | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3233 Registered: 3-2004 |
Since the beginning of this Administration, Threering, Bush has had a "go it alone" philosophy. If you've forgotten that, you really have a short memory. Remember back before Mongolia and Poland and a few assorted other countries including our loyal ally, Britain, finally agreed to go into Iraq with us? We wanted to do it alone, if necessary. You have no memory of that? Also, YOU have a distrust of treaties and agreements, and so, apparently, does Bush. Doesn't that amount to a form of isolationism? I believe you just admitted to it. If you want to call that non-interventionist, how in the world can you support our behavior in Iraq since March of 2003? Isn't that intervention? Intervention without most of Europe and certainly most of Asia, Southwest Asia, Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe (Poland and Czechoslovakia for a brief time excepted)...that's a form of crazy isolationism mixed with INTERVENTIONISM that can ONLY end in total CHAOS!!! It's your position that is inconsistent, and truly you have described isolationism. Bush agrees with you, wouldn't you say? You bet I'm stressing. You bet it's driving me crazy. I have two sons who could be drafted into this chaos at the blink of an eye, and one who will be travelling soon and could become a victim of it. I think the global political climate matches the environmental climate right now. Total disaster. I don't see how you can say that Bush's policies have not had any impact on that, and that he is totally a victim of it, and innocent of its creation. | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 293 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tulip, have an original thought..stop paraphrasing blogs. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 52 Registered: 1-2006 |
Tulip, "Remember back before Mongolia and Poland and a few assorted other countries including our loyal ally, Britain, finally agreed to go into Iraq with us? We wanted to do it alone, if necessary." This is more properly called unilateralism, not isolationism. "Also, YOU have a distrust of treaties and agreements, and so, apparently, does Bush. Doesn't that amount to a form of isolationism? I believe you just admitted to it. If you want to call that non-interventionist, how in the world can you support our behavior in Iraq since March of 2003?" I think I am capable of saying what I mean, but I don't think I have expressed an iota of support for our invasion of Iraq in 2003. I think it was arguably the biggest foreign policy blunder we've made in 219 years. I would also say that all of the wars we have fought in the last 100 years have been based in large part on lies and deception. By the way, several of these wars were started by Democrats, so they don't have clean hands either. "It's your position that is inconsistent, and truly you have described isolationism. Bush agrees with you, wouldn't you say?" No, I would not say that at all. He condemned isolationism in the SOTU last month. He doesn't even know me. I never see him at my local watering hole and I doubt that he spends much time on MOL. (although he appears to have a few surrogates who do that for him)! "I think the global political climate matches the environmental climate right now. Total disaster. I don't see how you can say that Bush's policies have not had any impact on that, and that he is totally a victim of it, and innocent of its creation." The guy has only been President for 5 years and I would no more blame him for all enviromental ills, real or imagined, than I would say that our foreign policy was peachy-keen until he was inaugurated. Cheers | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3235 Registered: 3-2004 |
Threering: President Bush, in his State of the Union speech, identified isolationism as an error. Yet, right now, with all that has happened, political, environmental, economic, relating to health, education and the well-being and security of our citizens, can you actually say that Bush is not totally isolated. His isolation is from the historic capacities of Presidents of the past to govern. His isolation is synchronic. He is isolated from many of the worlds leaders and nations. His isolation is symbolic. The whole world resents the US right now, and he is the leader of the US. He is the very emblem of contemporary political, economic, social and moral isolation, and the very force who isolated the American people from the rest of the world. And he has isolated the liberals from the conservatives, the neo-cons from the cons, the Democrats from the Republicans, the urban from the rural, the teachers from the administrators and the parents. He has isolated everyone from everyone else through incompetence and government through (delayed) reaction. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3236 Registered: 3-2004 |
Grrrrr: I don't read other blogs. If they are saying what I am saying, and have been saying since before you all voted for Bush, it's because it's either obvious, or true, or both. Peace, brother... | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14633 Registered: 10-2001  |
Main Entry: iso·la·tion·ism Pronunciation: -sh&-"ni-z&m Function: noun : a policy of national isolation by abstention from alliances and other international political and economic relations - iso·la·tion·ist /-sh(&-)nist/ noun or adjective | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 831 Registered: 10-2005 |
tulip- I told you countless times, since you don't even live remotely close to Maplewood start your own board in what ever bumf**k town that protects you from reality . -SLK | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3237 Registered: 3-2004 |
Your point? |
