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     bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 107 Registered: 12-2005 |
The AP is reporting that there is confidential video footage where Bush and Chertoff are being warned by federal disaster experts, before Katrina hit New Orleans, that the levees are in danger of being breached. Interesting that he should claim four days later to the nation that "no one anticipated the breach of the levees." | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3286 Registered: 3-2004 |
Have you seen the tape? Bush being warned, full force, then later saying he wasn't warned. Teflon Bush will never be called to task for this. Some other red herring or smokescreen will wash it away. | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 108 Registered: 12-2005 |
Haven't seen the tape yet. The man loses more and more credibility with each passing day of his incompetent presidency. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3288 Registered: 3-2004 |
Watch MSNBC right now. It's on. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4439 Registered: 5-2001 |
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007776.php, with links to an AP story, and Hardball's airing of the tape. Short story: Bush told a bald-faced, pointless lie on TV. Time was, a Republican congress would be apoplectic. But then, with Clinton it wasn't the lie, it was the sex (did I get that part backwards?) | ||
| crabby Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 495 Registered: 1-2004 |
kinda reminds me of the way they ignored the "Bin Laden to Strike in the US" memo. | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3541 Registered: 5-2001  |
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/01/politics/01cnd-katrina.html?ex=1298869200&en=8 c27a7246b6d20eb&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss | ||
| themp Supporter Username: Themp Post Number: 2627 Registered: 12-2001  |
No need to wonder why we are failing in Iraq. Failure of leadership. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 12694 Registered: 1-2003  |
It's disgusting, but it's not surprising. "We are fully prepared." To do what? "He was fully engaged." Doing what? If that's engaged, what's disengaged? My God, not only does our president lack insight, he lacks reflexes. Like, sh*t man, do something. This is still a golden opportunity for Bush to shine. He could rebuild the Gulf Coast better than before. It would be a true legacy, because we would remember the disaster and the rebuilding for generations. Instead, he abandons it. And let's not forget that Mississippi and Alabama were hit, too, but are somehow less newsworthy. | ||
| themp Supporter Username: Themp Post Number: 2628 Registered: 12-2001 |
"Hoping to counteract the damage of the story, the White House leaked Newsweek transcripts from daily noon FEMA conference calls during and after Katrina to show how engaged and concerned Dubya was. Trouble is, these are transcripts that they had initially refused to provide to congressional investigators: [T]he administration initially told Congress that the transcript for the Aug. 29 call -- the call congressional investigators were most curious about, given that it occurred as the hurricane was actually battering the Gulf Coast -- did not exist, with officials initially telling Capitol Hill that someone at FEMA or Homeland Security forgot to push the button on a tape recorder. "Everybody has been looking for that transcript,"” former FEMA chief Michael Brown said Wednesday. A White House official unexpectedly e-mailed the transcript to NEWSWEEK earlier today Wednesday morning -- —initially without explaining that it was the missing transcript. Two officials familiar with congressional investigations said that the document was turned over to Capitol Hill investigators Tuesday night. Administration officials told both Congress and NEWSWEEK that FEMA officials in Atlanta had taped the Aug. 29 conference call by aiming a video camera at a TV screen rather than following the usual recording procedure. The videotape was subsequently discovered and transcribed. I can't recall offhand how many times the Administration has invoked the "dog ate my homework" excuse this year, but I'd have to take off my shoes to count them." Jane Hamsher | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1605 Registered: 8-2004  |
This is nice red meat for Dems , but everybody knew that the levees could fail or be overrun in New Orleans. Bush made his levee statement after the storm had past when intial reports were positive. This is more of " Arabs taking over port security "headlines. Even in a hit piece some facts come through. "The footage - along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by AP - show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster." | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 910 Registered: 10-2005 |
Southerner was absolutely right on another board. These MOL Political boards are so boring lately it is pathetic.... I finally figured out what I am giving up for Lent. Hopefully things will liven up by then...but I won't hold my breath... -SLK | ||
| Brokeback Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6886 Registered: 10-2001  |
The Carter Administration understood this was an issue ans attempted to begin a process to replace the levees. Sadly, enviromentalists demanded that nothing be done and Carter quickly backed away. The issue was not again addressed until after Katrina.. If you want to blame someone, start with Notehead. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 4529 Registered: 5-2001  |
Straw- the levee that broke was relatively new. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 66 Registered: 1-2006 |
I thought that was the one that the Republicans blew up, according to Louis Farrakhan, who is also a noted authority on things like UFOs, etc. Cheers | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1625 Registered: 7-2004  |
Bush is a liar. He lied again yesterday when in Afghanistan he pretended to care about finding and capturing/killing Bin Laden. Does that make him a liar, or a flip-flopper, or both? Scrotis Lo Knows: You promise? | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 916 Registered: 10-2005 |
RL, Bush is a liar, how original..... Not as long as you are around.... -SLK | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 851 Registered: 10-2004  |
I find it very sad that the people on the board who constantly reprimand liberals for being complainers, whiners and unamerican can see no wrong in their 'president'. Bush is LYING to you again and again and again. Daily he trots out his press secretary to lie and divert and lie. Daily he is interviewed and claims no knowledge, no responsibility or worse he says we are doing something when we are not. The fact that Straw and Scrotis, Guy and the rest of the apologists cant criticize the president for any of these things is what I find sad. If the administration was democratic they would be screaming bloody murder. But if that were the case so would the liberals on this board. Thats the real difference between us. We will not tolerate false leadership. - and please no Monica BS. That was a Clinton witch hunt. 60 Million dollars for a investigation into his sex life. No thanks. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 12698 Registered: 1-2003 |
SLK, are you saying Bush didn't lie about (not) knowing the risk of levees breaking? If he didn't lie, then did he just forget the warnings? You could get me to believe that, but I wouldn't look at him any more kindly as a result. That was a serious warning, and a good president, who has the people's interests at heart, would remember it and prepare for it. I mean, you're attacking the criticism, but you're not defending the president. Why is that? My take is that his (in)action is indefensible, but if you want to take a shot at it, please go right ahead. I'm just pointing out that you haven't done so yet. | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2006 |
Anybody who still supports Bush owes the rest of us an explanation. Why? Why do you support a possibly never elected person who apparently is clueless about the basic concept of the American Constitution? Why do you support a guy who's really never worked a day in his life? Prediction: Nobody will answer me. Maybe Scrotis, if you haven't left for Lent, can shed some light. This guy's got the blood of thousands of innocents on his hands and, oh yeah, these threads are getting boring. Scuse me. If you support this guy- look at your own hands, maybe you'll start to see red like the rest of us. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1629 Registered: 7-2004 |
Well, so many people in the country are, sadly, mindless bandwagon hoppers who scurry to get with the winning side to satisfy their otherwise meaningless and depressing existence. It's the cult of personality which attracts the lowest common demoninators. Just look at Southerner and Scrotis. They admittedly disagree with Bush on some major policy issues but won't openly criticize him while relentlessly attacking and taunting Bush's critics. It's the football fan philosophy of politics and it's ruining our country. Bush and Rove, of course, knew how to exploit this ignorance. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4441 Registered: 5-2001 |
that sums it up pretty well, thanks. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 918 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- Thanks for the last line which proves you are clueless about the whole Clinton gig. TOM-EVERYONE knew the risks of the levess breaking, including local LA/NO politicans. Now that they did break you and others just point blame to the POTUS and ignore all the other players in this game. I still hold those that didn't flee heavily responsible after having a weeks notice. ae35unit-please explain "basic concept of the American Constitution"? And I don't support Bush on everything like most supporters of a POTUS. And in reagrds to an explanataion, I owe you s**t...what are you, my mother? I have no problem criticizing the President and have many times in many posts. But some you left leaning folks are partly to blame for this apparent over protection of the Prez. Ever since 2000, with the help of the media, you have been trying to nail him for something and the lines between true criticism and partisan bandwagonish political attacks have become blurred. The guy can't even go the Afghanistan and give a speech without the usual suspects criticising him. What, is this revenge for Clinton who in fact DID stupidly lie under oath and got caught? You don't get an inch to impeachment and disbarred from practising law for jaywalking folks... -SLK I'll find something else for Lent to give up...  | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1630 Registered: 7-2004 |
“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." —Thomas Jefferson This president needs to be criticized. He's an habitual liar. Furthermore, he doesn't care about the American people; he cares about giving sweetheart deals to countries that financially support his brother's kooky projects. Don't think for a second Bush cares about you or your issues, Scrotis, your blind faith notwithstanding. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4443 Registered: 5-2001 |
SLK, this thread has one point, the other points about Katrina have been rehearsed elsewhere at length. The point here, as you admit is that "everyone" anticipated that the levees could break; but Bush said "no one" anticipated. And he said this after he was warned of that very fact, and him being warned is captured on tape. To recap: he sat in a videoconference in which experts told him the levees could break, and two days later he said no one anticipated that they could break. He's a liar, and he lies about important things. RL's right, and to make it clear, if a disaster along the lines of Katrina were to hit this area we'd get the same "special" treatment. Would you be satisfied with that? | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 6 Registered: 2-2006 |
ae35unit-please explain "basic concept of the American Constitution"? And I don't support Bush on everything like most supporters of a POTUS. And in reagrds to an explanataion, I owe you s**t...what are you, my mother? If you don't understand the American Constitution, the people who risked everything to create it, and the checks and balances that were systematically and deliberately torn apart by the K street project, wait, you understand perfectly well. Yeah, and you do owe me s**t, you mouth off and can't back it up except by implying that I'm out of line somehow. Typical. As far as your mother is concerned, that would be who, not what, hopefully. I hope you wore some sensible shoes it's going to snow! | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1402 Registered: 5-2001 |
The president cannot be expected to pay attention. I think it's about time for a good, old-fashioned terror threat. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 922 Registered: 10-2005 |
RL- LEGITIMATE consent is patriotic. Most individuals engage in mindless dissent just for the sake of dissent...(a la a rebel w/o a cause) ae35unit-do you agree with the Roe v. Wade decision? Do you believe Dubya conducted illegal wiretaps? Do you think the Florida SC should of gotten involved in the Bush-Gore Election? If you say yes to all, or at least one, you have a thing or two to learn about the constitutional process.... maybe that Lent idea isn't so bad.... -SLK | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1633 Registered: 7-2004 |
Scrotis: I think you mean "dissent" not "consent," though the slip is telling. Also, who defines "legitimate?" Not you, I hope. I'd prefer to think all political dissent is patriotic, regardless of the motive. Are you that afraid of dissenting opinions (I know Bush is)? What are you scared of? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4445 Registered: 5-2001 |
Interesting three questions. I can see why one's opinion of Roe depends on a Constitutional point-of-view. But illegal wiretaps? Either they're illegal or they're not, the Constitution doesn't speak to the details of that statute, unless you're trying to say that the President is above the law. As for the Florida court's involvement, that would be an issue for the Florida state constitution to address, no? The U.S. constitution pushes the question of deciding electors out to the states and says, "you guys decide and come back to Congress with your slate." It has nothing to say about the internal processes at all. | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1404 Registered: 5-2001 |
Scrotis- Speaking of the constitutional process, I'm still waiting for your response on the This Just In thread. | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2006 |
You know what SLK? I haven't seen so many straw men since I watched the Wizard of Oz in the TV department at Sears. Face it, you've got nothin. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 852 Registered: 10-2004 |
Scrotis I think you are about as deep as a Saturday morning cartoon. Talk about all over the map. This thread is only the most recent example of the president lying to the American people. How many times does he have to do it for you to say enough is enough? The president and the whole Bush family care only about themselves and their friends and their power. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1637 Registered: 7-2004 |
By the way, it's going to be interesting to see what happens to Michael Brown now that he stood up to administration and defended himself. How badly is Bush & Co. going to cream this guy for telling the truth, the one cardinal sin of this presidency? I almost feel badly for him. "I'm glad it's coming out because, despite the media reports and the general public perception that I was a dummy, that I didn’t know what I was doing, I knew exactly what I was doing," Brown told CBS Washington, D.C., affiliate WUSA in an interview. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 927 Registered: 10-2005 |
RL, Thanks for the correction, I did mean dissent. It's called typing while working...try it sometime. -SLK | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1451 Registered: 9-2004  |
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina. You can view the lying clip here: http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumo r&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fmediamatters.org%2Fitems%2F200509020001 | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 932 Registered: 10-2005 |
Yep, since EVERYONE knew for years about these levees, Dubya was suppose to strap some bags of quickcrete on his back haul them down to LA and prep the levees for the hurricane the night before. The fact that no one ever talks about the LA state and local govt. AND citizenry responsibility is clear to me that this is classic BDS... -SLK | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1643 Registered: 7-2004 |
Whatever the local and state people did or didn't do doesn't change the fact that Bush lied, and that he is a liar, caught on tape no less. Scrotis: You must have a short memory, or not really care about anything other than defending Bush. It wasn't about what the federal government didn't do before the hurricane hit as much as what they didn't do after. Remember the starving people trapped on roofs? The people at the Superdome? FOR DAYS WITHOUT ANY HELP. No, you don't remember that? You'd rather recall Bush's heroism and pass the blame. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 761 Registered: 2-2004 |
Bush has been lying for years and you smart Dems can't even defeat him. This is so sweet I only wish we could have a 3rd term. Nothing like seeing Dems squirm, and you guys are squirming big time as we shove things down your throat. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 12701 Registered: 1-2003 |
SLK wrote: TOM-EVERYONE knew the risks of the levess breaking, including local LA/NO politicans. Now that they did break you and others just point blame to the POTUS and ignore all the other players in this game. I still hold those that didn't flee heavily responsible after having a weeks notice. You're saying everyone knew the risk, but three days later, Bush said he didn't think anyone anticipated it. So is is he lying to us, or is he lying to himself? Or is there another possibility I'm overlooking? I guess I can think of a few, can't think of another one that is any better than lying. Maybe we should cut the poor guy some slack and just let him forget the warnings. No, I'm not laying all blame on Bush. There's plenty to go around, and the storm itself is not anyone's faul, but he's the only one who said the breakage was unanticipated, so he's the only one answerable for saying that. You don't owe anyone an explanation for his lie/mistake/whatever, but it's more interesting for you to try to defend it than to criticize the critics. |
