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     Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8811 Registered: 4-1997  |
Not sure if we can keep the message boards open if this passes.
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| Brokeback Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6923 Registered: 10-2001  |
right, If this passes you have to shut down. Can't risk it. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8812 Registered: 4-1997 |
Or shift to moderated queue of posts. However, I doubt it passes. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1637 Registered: 3-2004  |
little by little, freedoms become restricted. yay, a smoking ban! yay, helmet laws! boo, freedom restricted. they are all the same issue. personal freedom. the majority of you supported some of these issues. dont complain now. you get what you deserve. | ||
| Paul Surovell Supporter Username: Paulsurovell Post Number: 584 Registered: 2-2003 |
Let's write: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/Biondi.asp | ||
| LibraryLady(ncjanow) Supporter Username: Librarylady Post Number: 3079 Registered: 5-2001  |
Dave, Besides writing as Paul suggests, what can we do? Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent this from passing? | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5299 Registered: 8-2003 |
Call it political speech that's protected under the First Amendment! Oh wait....that was limited years ago. Nuts.  Free speech is overrated anyway. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 10888 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sounds like someone said something about Biondi on line that he didn't like and now wants revenge.  Anybody have a list of local state representatives and senators and their email addresses? Several thousand emails from MOL posters could have an effect. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8813 Registered: 4-1997 |
We'll set up an offshore corporation in the Caymans and run MOL from there. It will be tough, but someone has to do it. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3301 Registered: 3-2004 |
One thing we could do is not say awful things about each other, like calling each other morons, or making horrible, negative statements about each other, either on the board, or in the community. In particular, let people speak their minds and not call it a rant. Don't make ad hominem attacks when someone speaks their mind about politics, or anything for that matter. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5136 Registered: 10-1999  |
According to the NJ Legislature's website, the bill was introduced on January 10, was referred to the Utilities and Telecommunications Committee, and nothing has happened to it since. I think this is a little different from helmet laws and smoking bans, by the way. Arguably, the state isn't restricting speech - just as the government can set restrictions (require a permit, etc.) for public gatherings. Unfortunately, these requirements would make it difficult to maintain a freewheeling discussion site like this one. Dave would have to take the trouble to verify all the posters, or spend all of his time just reading everything that's posted (wait a minute, maybe he already does that). Newspapers like the Star-Ledger run discussion boards such as the ones at NJ.com, so there's a powerful group right there to oppose this law. Not that the folks on MOL aren't a powerful group themselves ... | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 10889 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, if you guys move your ops to the Caymans you can also set up a gambling site as well and make a few bucks. Texas Hold'em anybody? | ||
| bottomline Citizen Username: Bottomline Post Number: 390 Registered: 8-2003 |
Does anybody know the genesis of this bill? Did some legislator's kid get dissed on a teenage bulletin board or blog? Doesn't our legislature have REAL problems to solve here in Jersey? | ||
| Paul Surovell Supporter Username: Paulsurovell Post Number: 585 Registered: 2-2003 |
Governor Corzine can be emailed from here: http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html You can contact any NJ Senator or Assembly member from here: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/abcroster.asp Maplewood and South Orange (I think) are represented by Richard Codey (Senate), Mims Hackett and John McKeon (Assembly) | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 788 Registered: 2-2004 |
Once again, the usual suspects are screaming the sky is falling. But, finally, a thread about something other than Bush. Libertarian, I agree with you on this. Many of the same people who are up in arms about this are the same people who want to restrict other freedoms. Of course, if you question them they start screaming about "civil rights". But I digress, nothing will change with or without this law. And I thought only the Red states could make moves like this. You guys need to march on Trenton this weekend! | ||
| Paul Surovell Supporter Username: Paulsurovell Post Number: 586 Registered: 2-2003 |
Southerner, Why don't we start with a flyer to be distributed to commuters at the Maplewood and South Orange train stations called "Protect MOL." Maybe Straw, Libertarian and I could take the first shift in a show of multi-partisan unity. I'm just a little concerned there might be counter-demonstrators passing out "Screw Jamie Ross!" flyers. | ||
| Brokeback Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6924 Registered: 10-2001 |
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| jamie Citizen Username: Jamie Post Number: 446 Registered: 6-2001  |
 Funny Paul - actually I think those fliers are always circulating. Hopefully this measure won't pass, but if it does we'll have 90 days to figure out plan B. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4824 Registered: 9-2001  |
Why wait, screw Jamie Ross tonight at 9PM when he does his comedy routine at HTTA.....  | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 872 Registered: 10-2004  |
as long as the law hasnt passed yet - Peter J Biondi is an ugly, dim-witted slimeball with big ears and an IQ of 50. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8818 Registered: 4-1997 |
Hey, what the heck? It's pile on time. I agree with Hoops, but the IQ may be a bit high | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5138 Registered: 10-1999 |
Looks like Assemblyman Biondi was bothered by what was written about him on his local NJ.com message board (http://www.nj.com/forums/hillsborough/) - they're talking about it over there - http://www.nj.com/forums/hillsborough/index.ssf?artid=22404 http://www.nj.com/forums/hillsborough/index.ssf?artid=22309 http://www.nj.com/forums/hillsborough/index.ssf?artid=22486 And this is how Assemblyman Biondi expresses himself - from a letter he wrote last fall, about a proposal to change to a ward system for his local town council - Any you folks thought that we were rough here in SO-M! [And this guy (http://hoofin.blogspot.com/2006/02/come-to-think-of-it.html) may be one of the ones who has been getting under Assemblyman Biondi's skin] | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8821 Registered: 4-1997 |
LOL. No wonder he wants message boards shut down. He needs those statements deleted before his next campaign. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4825 Registered: 9-2001 |
...if a rose by any other name is still a rose, is bashing by some unknown name still bashing? Jamie, I would skip plan "B" and go directly to Plan "C"... FWIW, either way this comes down, you guys do a pretty good job monitoring conversations, and I doubt there would be much liability. Anyway, proving substantial damages is a hard road to hoe... | ||
| monster Supporter Username: Monster Post Number: 2365 Registered: 7-2002  |
what a d¡ck... | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8825 Registered: 4-1997 |
Baristanet out of Bloomfield is poking him in the eye, too. http://www.baristanet.com/barista/2006/03/the_grinch_who_.html | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1639 Registered: 3-2004 |
I think this is a little different from helmet laws and smoking bans thats exactly why this sort of stuff is alllowed to get started, cause of that kind of thinking. it will probably get shot down this time but will get rewritten, a few more other liberties will be taken away, and then it wont seem so radical and will pass. little by little , step by step. it is happening every day and most of you are applauding it. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2507 Registered: 5-2004  |
If MOL needs to set up shop offshore, I would be more thaqn happy to go over ans babysit the servers. preferably someplace like the Caymans, but I hear the Seychelles are not bad... | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 10890 Registered: 5-2001 |
I was right. The bill is just sour grapes. Still I am going to write to my Assemblyman and Senator Codey. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1631 Registered: 8-2004  |
The Yankees are sponsoring a similar bill to regulate speech on the Mike and the Mad Dog Show. All callers are required to state their legal name and residence. " This is Vincenzo Marchetti, 248 Roosevelt Avenue, Woodside Queens" "First time long time, Arod Sucks, thanks guys" | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 5878 Registered: 12-2001  |
Guy...you mean "First time Last Time" right?  | ||
| Fruitcake Citizen Username: Fruitcake Post Number: 265 Registered: 9-2003 |
Libertarian, This is different than the helmet law or smoking ban, because I am in favor of regulating those things but not in favor of regulating MOL. Don't you get it? Democracy is about what I want, not about some kind of organized political philosophy that attempts to correlate the erosion of personal freedoms with one another. That’s what makes MOL so great – it’s a whole collection of self-centered pundits, all of whom know exactly what is right. So put up your dukes for Dave and Jamie. Where else could ever find an audience as responsive as MOL to your twisted views? In a smoky bar? Out riding your bike? I didn't say we agree with your views, but we certainly do respond. Sheesh, get with the program. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4473 Registered: 5-2001 |
Two words about regulating smoking and helmets: public health. Two words about regulating online discussions: first amendment. | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1425 Registered: 5-2001 |
One could argue that regulating smoking is about public health since it affects those around smokers (though I think kicking smokers out of bars was ridiculous). But forcing bikers to wear helmets was about insurance companies writing the laws. It's not about public health, it's about private health. What's next: Banning fatty foods? Government-mandated physicals? | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3122 Registered: 5-2001  |
National ID cards? Seriously, though, I'd be very surprised (and angry) if Biondi's item passes. | ||
| monster Supporter Username: Monster Post Number: 2366 Registered: 7-2002 |
I posted this on another forum I frequent, where I know several people are from NJ. One in particular who has an "in", in the political arena, he had the following to say (and yes I know who he is in real life, he's not just some wacko spouting off},
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| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8826 Registered: 4-1997 |
Federal laws already exist to go after libelous speech online and force an ISP to turn over data that could lead to obtaining a poster's identity. This law is simply intended to close down online communities. If nasty and untrue things were said about the guy who works for a public official, he's well within his rights to pursue legal remedies. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1640 Registered: 3-2004 |
So put up your dukes for Dave and Jamie. Where else could ever find an audience as responsive as MOL to your twisted views? In a smoky bar? Out riding your bike? 1. no 2. plenty of places. this place is very tame and unresponsive compared to many message boards i know. not alot of dialogue here, just shrill dogma. except the home fix it forum. i like that forum | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1431 Registered: 5-2001 |
Lib, what sites have political boards that don't devolve into shrill dogma? I've yet to find one. (No offense, but you don't exactly rise above the fray.) | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1642 Registered: 3-2004 |
i dont rise above the fray because it is more fun to tweak the tight a**es on this board. the political debate on this board is one person makes a shrill comment with no facts, then someone makes a shrill comment with no facts back. there is very little real debate or exchange of ideas. i save my honest political debate for a great politics message board that i am a member of. we sometimes get some famous politicos and media members there. i like to go the strawberry route on this board and throw out a post and watch the howling monkeys go nuts. it never fails. so many people on this board are very shrill and self important with their politics but with no real information to back any of their opinions. its just rhetoric spouting. not to say this board is the only place this happens. it happens on alot of message boards. i never misrepresent my opinions or beliefs, but the way they are posted can really get some people here on their high horses. a few people here do have their facts and those are people that i reply to with honesty and respect. the rest are just fun to torque, especially because there is a severe lack of humor here sometimes. |
