| Author | Message | ||
     Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 352 Registered: 11-2002  |
Cagey, that's such Bullsh*t. I am as Republican as they get and I guarantee I donate a lot more to charities than you do every year. | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 5918 Registered: 12-2001  |
Grrrrr...thats just stooping to the level of the post before you. You can do better. I should think. | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 354 Registered: 11-2002 |
You're right Duncan, I thought about that a lot last night, and I should have kept my mouth shut...lol! | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 355 Registered: 11-2002 |
I resent the characterization, that's all. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1702 Registered: 7-2004  |
Scrotis: Methinks you doth protest too much. (That was for you, Duncan.) Grrr: I guess if you don't think highly of yourself, no one else would. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1032 Registered: 10-2005 |
Everyone- I have been trying to find a breakdown (party affiliation) of the votes in the SD legislature regarding this matter but am having a little trouble. I am really curious to see who voted for what. I did find the Yay/Nay on Bill 1215 but it didn't list party affiliations of those who voted. Yes SD is a red state, but one thing I did learn that it was a Republican who try to include the "rape/incest" exclusion in the bill and there are a number of Republicans who voted against the bill entirely. My point? This over generalization of Republicans is unwarranted and ignorant, just like any over-generaliztion would be.... But if it helps some of you sleep better at night to continue believing ALL Republicans are hatemongering evil-doers then so be it... -SLK | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 890 Registered: 10-2004  |
SLK - really I think you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you feel put upon because we are calling out the republican party who are turning into the corporation party and have decidely turned against politics of inclusion. On the other hand you support vehemently all of the policies of the administration, except you keep telling us that you are fair and only are interested in debate, etc. The list of wrongs that this administration has committed is long - too long to list here but suffice it to say that if the republican party would at the least police itself, investigate seriously the allegations of wrongdoing and corruption, end its pandering to the minority called the Christian right, and begin to think of the people of the country first and the corporate lobbiests second then maybe you would get a better response. The problem is that if you support this administration you are supporting blindly criminals who care only about power and money, corrupt government who allow corporations to write legislation, a party that will not allow honest debate nor participate in bipartisan compromise. Just today I heard on the Rachel Maddow show that a bill sponsored by republicans was put through the house in oppostition of the democrats that will eliminate state laws that protect consumers by providing the contents of foods to be placed on labels. Included in the contents are the amounts of chemicals in bottled water and packaged foods. All of a sudden we will not be allowed to know what is in the food we are eating. Thanks republican party - way to go. Sorry, I dont hate republicans, I just cant see how anyone that has their eyes open and a conscience can approve of what has happened to this country the past 5 years. That is unless they are only a one issue voter. Hooray for less taxes. Hooray for Pro-Life. Hooray for killing them bad Iraqis and getting that democracy in Iraq. Hooray for selling out the country and turning a surplus into a deficit. Hooray for cutting benefits to veterans, students, school children, pre school children, elderly. Hooray for the medicaid drug bill. Hooray for ... pick one. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1040 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- Can you please provide a map with your last post? How you got from point A to point B is simply bizzare... | ||
| CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 643 Registered: 6-2003 |
Grrrr you publically support a party that is cutting medicare and student loan money while pushing to make permanent tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy. You have not a leg to stand on. Glad to hear you give to charity, but if you're like most well to do donors, you give primarily to those organizations that benefit wealthier citizens (like cultural non profits - operas, museums, etc)while giving paultry amounts to programs that care for the poorest. The GOP motto "All for us, and none for all!" | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 891 Registered: 10-2004 |
Makes sense SLK. You cant follow logic, nor will you ever understand any position other then your own. You want to know why there is so much animosity towards republicans and I layed it out for you. You cant deal with it so you brush it aside. How like you. Its my opinion you dont want to know what the issues are or have an honest talk about them, you only want to look smart and clever and tough as a poster. Sorry but I think you are doing just the opposite. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1044 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- Please supply map, then we will talk... -SLK | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 893 Registered: 10-2004 |
SLK - dont hurt yourself with all that hard work. Its hard work to think about the issues I raised. Hard work SLK. But I appreciate your question. Dont worry SLK - Politics for Dummies is available at Barnes and Nobles. Pick up a copy, study REAL hard and then come back. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 804 Registered: 2-2004 |
So much animosity for Republicans. You guys really need to get out of Essex County every once in a while. Hoops, it took us conservatives a long time to figure it out. Eventually, you will to. I just hope you take decades to see the light like we did. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 894 Registered: 10-2004 |
Southerner - you are a real American. I feel proud that you are a contributing participant to this board because you bring such a broad spectrum of insight here. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1643 Registered: 8-2004  |
I keep hearing that Bush is cutting social programs. This is the reality of his discretionary spending since 2001. Education is up 62 percent, or 10 percent annually; International affairs is up 74 percent, or 12 percent annually; Health research and regulation is up 57 percent, or 9 percent annually; Veterans’ benefits are up 46 percent, or 8 percent annually; Science and basic research is up 40 percent, or 7 percent annually. and Overall non-defense discretionary outlays are up 46 percent, or 7.8 percent annually. He makes Clinton look like a Libertarian. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1049 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thanks Guy- If Dubya is a conservative republican then I am a Chomskyite... -SLK | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 360 Registered: 11-2002 |
Let me throw this out there... Question #1: How many of you attend one of the area's Catholic Churches? Question #2: How many of you vote Democrat? Question #3: Using the the same logic as Cagey and Hoops, how can you reconcile that? | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1451 Registered: 5-2001 |
Guy, those numbers are deceiving. For instance, "Science and basic research is up 40 percent." The vast, vast majority of that is for the Defense Department. The NIH is getting about 2% increases. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 896 Registered: 10-2004 |
Grrrr - the positions are not mutually exclusive. Democrats can be anti abortion and still be democrats because the dems policy is inclusive. You might look down upon the practice of abortion but to many it is a valuable, painful and highly personal choice. The key word being choice. If your religion prevents you from going to the dr. for an abortion the dems wont force you. See its still your choice. | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 362 Registered: 11-2002 |
E X A C T L Y thank you hoops | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2555 Registered: 5-2004  |
Hoops, what if you lived in a country that did not outlaw murder? You'd work to get the law changed, I would hope. Would the people in that society say "if you don't want to kill your neighbor, don't. But don't tell me I can't." Most people who oppose abortion do so because they consider the fetus to be a child. Unborn, but still a child. Therefore that child has certain rights, including the right to life. Therefore, it is consistent with their beliefs to oppose abortion for everyone, not just themselves. I can appreciate the pro-life position. I disagree with it, but I know and accept that I will not be able to convince someone who truly thinks of a fetus as a person, that abortion should be acceptable. | ||
| Montagnard Citizen Username: Montagnard Post Number: 1899 Registered: 6-2003  |
Until, of course, they or a member of their family needs an abortion. Then they convince themselves quite easily... | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2564 Registered: 5-2004 |
Actually, I doubt that. They'll do what they did in the 50s. Send them off to a "girls' school" where they can have, then give away, the baby. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1067 Registered: 10-2005 |
Rastro- Beautifully said (your second to last post). I always find it bizzare why the pro-choice crowd find it hard to understand why someone who be against abortion. There are worse things to be against. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 4555 Registered: 5-2001  |
Rastro- How about if the fetus is not a fetus, but an embryo. There's a difference. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 904 Registered: 10-2004 |
The science does not support that Rastro. An embryo is not a person as ffof states. The issue is philosophical. I would not want to live in a society that condones murder, however I do not consider the pregnant woman to be more then 1 person. Abortion is not something to be done lightly and I know many woman who anguish about their choice, the thing is if abortion is outlawed then woman who do have abortions become criminals. Is that what this country should be supporting. Women will die from botched abortions if they are outlawed. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1073 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- Pardon me for playing devils advocate BUT: Well I have a grand idea, maybe they should avoid getting pregnant? I love how the "pro-choice or die" crowd never discuss personal responsibility in these matters. -SLK | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5173 Registered: 10-1999  |
And let me play devil's advocate, and propose the following for consideration - The attitude that getting pregnant is a "punishment" for having sex, is an attitude that causes more abortions to take place. That attitude creates enormous pressure to end the pregnancy ASAP, before anybody could find out. imho. So, anyone who wants to reduce the number of abortions, give up the "Scarlet Letter" routine, and focus on prenatal care, and "post-natal" help. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 905 Registered: 10-2004 |
SLK - but we do discuss personal responsibility all the time. It is the liberals that are pro - sex education, pro information and distribution of contraception, pro family planning and pro health care. Pardon me but it is your party that cuts funding for these things and is in fact against most of them. Human beings are going to have sex. Teenagers are going to have sex. If birth control devices are not available they are still going to have sex. Your are just advocating for high school students to have children. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1077 Registered: 10-2005 |
Nohero- Thanks for illustrating my point. God forbid we hold anyone accountable for their actions anymore... Even a teeny weeny bit....and if we do we are a lynching mob....could you be more extreme? -SLK | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5174 Registered: 10-1999 |
No, thank you for labeling my last post "extreme". If you think that it's extreme to try to reduce abortion through education and efforts to prevent pregnancy, and better care and support for those women who do choose to bear the child, you just illustrated my point. | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 847 Registered: 12-2003 |
Some people are so hopelessly repressed that they don't understand that sex is a natural and essential part of life, not something you occasionally treat yourself to, like an ice cream cone. They don't understand how self-control can sometimes be overwhelmed by millions of years of genetic programming. But most of all they love love LOVE to sit on their high horses and judge people who make mistakes or have bad luck. | ||
| Twokitties Citizen Username: Twokitties Post Number: 399 Registered: 8-2004 |
Hoops & Madden: .  | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1079 Registered: 10-2005 |
Madden 11- What does sexual repression have to do with personal responsibility for one's actions? Yet again, liberals don't beleieve in personal responsibility for anything.... -SLK | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2570 Registered: 5-2004 |
ffof and Hoops, whether or not an embryo is a life of its own is secondary. The point is that some people believe it is wrong to abort an embryo. So they are working to change the law to protect that embryo. Would you do any less if you believed similarly? Again, it's not about the science of whether the embryo or fetus viable, or even whether it's wanted. It's about people's belief that once the sperm and egg join (or the fertilized egg is implanted, depending on who is arguing), it is potentially a life. And you won't change people's minds about that. It's pointless and unfair to characterize all anti-abortion folks as misogynists. Some are, to be sure. Just as some on the Left believe that men are the cause of all evil in the world. But many simply believe that it is wrong to have an abortion. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2571 Registered: 5-2004 |
SLK, how can people take responsibility if they are unable to get the facts to educate themselves? As Hoops points out, it is unrealistic to preach abstinence only. And by attempting to deny people information about other methods to prevent pregnancy, some are saying abstain or "pay the price" - the "price" being, a pregnancy that cannot be terminated. And "those people" are not on the Left. | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1080 Registered: 10-2005 |
getting pregnant is rocket science now I see... | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 849 Registered: 12-2003 |
What does sexual repression have to do with personal responsibility for one's actions? The fact that some believe sex is for procreation, and nothing else...that it's dirty, or wrong and those that engage in it purely for pleasure or release are deserving of "punishment" or "consequence." That is the very definition of repression. The impulse to have sex goes beyond just a regular choice, like opening up an IRA or taking mass transit vs. driving...it is a biological imperative. It's like eating and breathing...we're programmed to do it. "Just say no" ain't gonna cut it on this one. Yet again, liberals don't beleieve in personal responsibility for anything.... Yes, that's it exactly...what keen insight you bring to this debate. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2574 Registered: 5-2004 |
SLK, do you not understand that some people do believe they can get pregnant by sitting on a toilet? or by kissing someone on the lips? it's not getting pregnant that is so tough. It's not getting pregnant that people are trying to do. Debate with you is pointless, however. Unlike many of your peers, you do not engage in the dicussion, you simply pick a particular piece of an argument, and ignore the rest. Do you oppose sex education? Do you acknowledge that many on the Right do? Do you not see any potential relationship between abortion and sex education? | ||
| The SLK Effect Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1081 Registered: 10-2005 |
Madden 11- What century do you live in? One consequence of having sex is pregnancy, either wanted or unwanted. So because sex is, as you put it, a "biological imperative," no one should try to control those desires and use them responsibly? So no is responsible for their sexual actions because of this biological drive? Do you apply the same logic to STDs? Unfreaking believable. -SLK |
