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     tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4691 Registered: 12-2001  |
Bush says Israel won. Hezbollah says they won. Olmert says he would have done things differently - presumably use overwhelming force from Day 1 and not dismantle so much Lebanese infrastructure. If Seymour Hersh's article is even remotely accurate, this was not a good thirty days for the Bush Administration. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 1430 Registered: 4-2006 |
Iranians very unhappy with the results. Their deterrent to US or Israeli action against their nuke program is pretty well beaten down. www.debka.com/article.php/aid=1201 | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3883 Registered: 3-2004  |
Why are people talking about who won? Was it a bloody basketball game? No one wins in war. Let's talk about how not to do it again. | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2986 Registered: 5-2001 |
For the Jews and others who were liberated from Dachau, et al, I would think it was quite important that someone won in that war. For so many other reasons, it was quite important who won that war. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3884 Registered: 3-2004 |
People left standing and alive won the war. | ||
| Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7704 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tulip needs to stop posting. | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2987 Registered: 5-2001 |
Straw my man. I am not a moderate; I am a liberal. I think you were way off base in trying to label me otherwise. However, your 8:28 pm post in this thread is absolutely, 100%, drop dead correct. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 1440 Registered: 4-2006 |
I concur Strawberry and Wendy. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1450 Registered: 2-2004 |
Please, please, please continue to post Tulip. Tulip represents the neo-liberal faction of the Democratic Party. If Tulip stops another one will begin. I enjoy reading her posts because they only further my cause of more conservatives winning at election time. The country is blind like most of you New Jersey/northeast posters. You have about 80 more days to point to the polls and feel good. After election day the neo-libs will see what the country thinks of them. | ||
| llama Citizen Username: Llama Post Number: 820 Registered: 5-2001  |
Yes, we must continue to liberate Iraqis and find WMD's by bringing the fight to the terrorists so that Iraqis don't get Pakistanis to blow up planes from England in mid-air and strike us on our home soil again! If we don't go and get them first they will get us so we must not stand around doing nothing when we can be fighting or they will get us! Our foreign policies are perfect and the world must accept them because we are America the land of freedom! | ||
| frannyfree Citizen Username: Frannyfree Post Number: 237 Registered: 1-2004 |
The ONLY way to achieve peace is to WIN a war! If we had not won WW2 we would still have Nazis in power today in Germany. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3885 Registered: 3-2004 |
Peace is war, war is peace! No new taxes! Nuke Ay-ran! Libs are morons! Looney leftwing wacko nutjobs hippy greenie, tree-huggers! Boring! etc,etc, ad nauseam...... | ||
| Nuff Sayid Citizen Username: Parkingsux Post Number: 482 Registered: 6-2005  |
 the new Tulip, I like it..... | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1951 Registered: 5-2001 |
Down is the new up. | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4698 Registered: 12-2001 |
"The ONLY way to achieve peace is to WIN a war! If we had not won WW2 we would still have Nazis in power today in Germany." You could have used the same argument to make the case for attacking the Soviet Union. But, Communism collapsed under its own weight (as predicted by George Kennan in the late 1940's). Now, having said that, I can't imagine on what terms one would have negotiated peaced with the Germans and the Japanese, so the demand for unconditional surrender made during the war still seems reasonable to me. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro  Post Number: 3724 Registered: 5-2004  |
"The ONLY way to achieve peace is to WIN a war!" We have found the anti-Tulip. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3718 Registered: 5-2001  |
I think I'm going to start (and win) a war so that I can have peaceful life afterwards. | ||
| The Man (est. 1904) Citizen Username: Mapleman Post Number: 670 Registered: 6-2004  |
I understand the concept well. I like to hit myself on the head with a ball peen hammer, sometimes for hours. Because it feels SOOOOO GOOD when I stop! | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 1448 Registered: 4-2006 |
And the 60s continue.... break out the tie-dye... | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 15315 Registered: 1-2003  |
Let all sides say they won. What are you going to do, start a war to straighten the record of the last war? | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3001 Registered: 6-2002 |
Tulip represents the neo-liberal faction of the Democratic Party. Tulip represents only tulip. if she is a faction, she is a faction of one. Shouldn't we be happy when a war ends with both sides winning? I'll repeat the thoughts on winners and losers of war which I posted recently in a different thread. Most people think the US lost the War in Vietnam. Well we fought that war to stop the spread of communism. Communism did not spread to the "dominoes" and a few years after the war ended, the Soviet Ubion, the patron of the Vietnamese Communists, fell apart. Today "communist" Vietnam is our buddy. I look at the cars in my driveway (and almost everyone else's driveway) and wonder who won WW11. I look at who runs America and wonder which side "won" the Civil War. Who "won" the recent hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah? We'll have to wait at least 30 years to discuss that intelligently. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3002 Registered: 6-2002 |
We started this country by fighting a war to separate from Great Britain. Lots of separation these days! | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1452 Registered: 2-2004 |
anon, Good posts. Your point is dead on. Only time will tell if the decisions made by our government since 9/11 have paid off. I think the decisions are correct which is why I gladly support Bush and the admin. I believe in the future this will be borne out. Now, let's get back to the typical whining. You libs have an election to win! | ||
| mwsilva Citizen Username: Mwsilva Post Number: 514 Registered: 5-2002 |
Monday I saw the movie, WTC. I am still haunted by it and the memory of those days that it brought up. On that day the terrorists won. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3892 Registered: 3-2004 |
anon: Since I'm Tulip, perhaps I may respond to your post referencing me. Although I am flattered by Straw and others linking me to the mainstream of the liberal left, I admit, as you say, I am a party of one. The views I express here are neither liberal nor conservative in the classical sense. They are mine. Thanks for clarifying that. T. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1455 Registered: 2-2004 |
Okay tulip, I thought you were above hiding behind the "party of one" line. Please. You are no different than any other poster here. You know who you have voted for in the past and it doesn't take a genius to figure out who those candidates were. You are just another typical northeast lib who believes you are so much smarter than everyone. Your unique spin to set yourself apart is the party of one crap. I don't buy it and I know you don't buy it. I just find it amazing that so many posters are afraid to say what they really are. Now tulip, please don't get mad at the messenger. You know you have continually pulled the lever for the losing candidate. Why you don't want to face it makes me chuckle. | ||
| Chris Prenovost Citizen Username: Chris_prenovost Post Number: 1037 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hezbollah won. They fired 3K+ rockets at Israel, and killed several Israeli civilians. And managed to kill dozens of Israeli soldiers when Israel invaded south Lebanon. They are being glorified in the Arab media, and Palestinian parents are naming their newborns Hezbollah and Nasrallah. They would win any election in the middle east because they 'stood up' to Israel. And the cost was paid by others. The infrastructure of Lebanon has been destroyed, the Lebanese economy is a shambles, and the grieving civilians of south Lebanon are counting their dead, while blaming Israel and the US for something that Hezbollah started. Indescribably sad. | ||
| Twokitties Citizen Username: Twokitties Post Number: 491 Registered: 8-2004 |
Chris, I'm afraid you're right. Hezbollah won. They are being glorified throughout the Mid East will undoubtably pick up more seats in the Parliment next election. | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6900 Registered: 12-2001  |
How autobiographical Southerner. Same boring bullshi*t of the tone "we won" and "you lost" If you are so dense as to not understand that two people with extremely differeing opinions on major issues can vote for the same person than you are right where you belong, in the slop trough. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 15325 Registered: 1-2003 |
Not only that, Duncan, but I infer from what Southerner says that he believes that the summary of one's views is one's voting record.  | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5736 Registered: 10-1999  |
Didn't take long to find this - Southerner in December of 2004:
http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=99059&post=319449#POST319 449 Sounds like a "party of one" kind of guy. | ||
| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 1102 Registered: 2-2002 |
Is the lastest conflict really "over"? From the Washington Post: "Hezbollah refused to disarm and withdraw its fighters from the battle-scarred hills along the border with Israel on Tuesday, threatening to delay deployment of the Lebanese army and endangering a fragile cease-fire. Hezbollah indicated it would be willing to pull back its fighters and weapons in exchange for a promise from the [Lebanese] army not to probe TOO carefully for underground bunkers and weapons caches, the officials said." -Not to probe TOO carefully!? Meanwhile, "UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Israel's forces will not leave Lebanon until a U.N.-led multinational force arrives, "even if it takes months," Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said Wednesday. | ||
| Paul Surovell Supporter Username: Paulsurovell Post Number: 720 Registered: 2-2003 |
Does this constitute a threat of offensive military action and thus a violation of the cease-fire resolution? http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3291134,00.html | ||
| Gordon Agress Citizen Username: Odd Post Number: 514 Registered: 8-2004 |
Never too early to begin working on the case for moral equivalence, eh Paul? Tell me this. Should Hezbollah disarm? If it doesn't disarm, what should the Lebanese do? The "international community"? If the Lebanese and the "international community" don't do that, what should Israel do? | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3732 Registered: 5-2004 |
Paul, if that said Would you have a problem with it? | ||
| Gordon Agress Citizen Username: Odd Post Number: 519 Registered: 8-2004 |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/15/AR2006081500322. html Paul? | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1953 Registered: 5-2001 |
It's going to be awfully tough to disarm Hezbollah once they become the official government of Lebanon. | ||
| Spanish Inquisitor Citizen Username: Sinq Post Number: 83 Registered: 4-2004  |
Which Israel is helping them achieve. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3737 Registered: 5-2004 |
Sinq, though I doubt it is Israel's intention, it WOULD make fighting Hezbollah much easier. If they are the official government of Lebanon, then there are fewer uninvolved parties. Right now, the government of Lebanon can reasonably claim they are an uninvolved party. But if Hezbollah becomes the government, that would be a tough claim to back up. Once that happens, it becomes a war between Israel and Lebanon, not a war between Israel and an "unaffiliated" third party. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 1453 Registered: 4-2006 |
Middle East neophytes....  |
