| Author | Message | ||
     ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 208 Registered: 2-2006  |
Umm… Mr. Dranove, it looks like you've provided links to the true fringe of the fringe. Am I wrong, or is your argument ultimately that it's OK to lie? | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5879 Registered: 8-2003 |
It's not lying. It's art. | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1986 Registered: 5-2001 |
In a few years I expect cons to claim that 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5790 Registered: 5-2001 |
Try and make sense of this paragraph from Dranove's link:
These are the ravings of crazy people. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2092 Registered: 7-2004  |
"These are the ravings of crazy people." tom: couldn't agree more. They are also the people that have highjacked this country. Fortunately, we're getting it back starting in November. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2449 Registered: 8-2003  |
I don't know if it's the rantings of a crazy person, but it is the ranting of an incorrect person. CBS did have a person, Marion Knox, who was the secretary to Bush's TANG commander who did in fact call the documents fake but accurate:
Whether or not Ms. Knox is telling the truth I have no idea. But she said precisely what Sistertoldjah claimed there was no evidence of. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5791 Registered: 5-2001 |
They're crazy because the CBS memos -- true or false -- have no bearing at all on the truth of the scenes in the 9/11 movie. Only someone with an obsession overwhelming their higher brain functions would make that connection. | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 209 Registered: 2-2006 |
"Only someone with an obsession overwhelming their higher brain functions would make that connection." -well put | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2450 Registered: 8-2003 |
yes. (and she's lying) | ||
| Project 37 Citizen Username: Project37 Post Number: 419 Registered: 3-2006  |
It gets more interesting. Now conservative radio host (and former Reagan cabinet member) Bill Bennett and the film's star Harvey Keitel express their concerns about inaccuracies being depicted as fact: http://mediamatters.org/items/200609080007?src=rss-private Bennett cites the double-standard as it affected the Reagan movie while Keitel calls for the correction of distortions within the film. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2054 Registered: 10-2005  |
Once again the yesterday's WSJ Opinion Journal says it the best: "The Clintonites may have a point here. A few years ago, when the shoe was on the other foot, we were happy to see CBS scotch "The Reagans." (See Bob Bartley's final column...) On the other hand, one wishes the Clinton people had been as aggressive in defending the nation from bin Laden as they now are in defending their own reputations..." -SLK | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2094 Registered: 7-2004 |
Here's an idea, Scrogie: Every morning, why don't you post a link to the WSJ editorial page with a note that says, "these are my opinions." It would save you a lot of time. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3921 Registered: 3-2004  |
If the Republicans hadn't been so overwhelming about Whitewater and Monica, maybe the Clintons could have had some time to focus even more on Afghanistan. As it was, they were accused of "wagging the dog" when they shot scud missiles into Iraq, and other military activities. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 1500 Registered: 2-2004 |
There's the difference. A Democratic Administration allows the minority party to shift their focus, while a Republican Administration just laughs at the minority and carries on their constituents wishes. I think you Dems are still bitterly pissed at Bill for not being the true liberal you thought you were voting for. When a neo-con like me can say I like Bill Clinton, then I know many of you libs must hold a deep seated hatred for the man who blew up your party and philosophy. Clinton was a huge gift to us neo-cons and you know it. Believe me, Bush isn't the perfect neo-con President but I think Bush is a lot closer to his base than Clinton ever was to the liberal base. Clinton will be remembered as the President who dismantled the Democratic juggernaut. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3922 Registered: 3-2004 |
Democratic Administration allows the minority party to shift their focus, while a Republican Administration just laughs at the minority and carries on their constituents wishes. says Southerner. Yeah, distracted by impeachment proceedings. Unforgiveable!! How focused would the Bush Administration be with impeachment proceedings underway? Incidentally, Chertoff is saying that Bin Laden is "releasing" this current tape to "play with our heads." Who is to say the Bush Admin. didn't decide to "release the tape" right now, just to scare everyone? | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1804 Registered: 9-2004 |
"So, neocons, which is it: did he do too much, or not enough?" Perfect Commentary. .............................. -The writer of ABCs 9-11 movie says he made crap up. -Everyone but Kean, on the 9-11 commision says its crap. -BIll Clinton is so pissed hes getting into the mix... ha ha. Just what Repubs need going into the last 60 days. Big Bill campaigning against the repubs.  The more people get pissed, the more they vote, thanks ABC for pumping up the DEM machine 60 days before the election. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1806 Registered: 9-2004 |
about to be cancelled? http://www.variety.com/VR1117949675.html | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1807 Registered: 9-2004 |
video of Bill Bennett: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/CNN-Bennett-ABC.wmv | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3045 Registered: 6-2002 |
Why aren't any of you critical of Jimmie Carter or Ronald Reagan? If it weren't for their obsessive opposition to the Soviet Union and in particular to the Soviet invasion of Afganistan there would have been no Taliban and there would be no Al Queada. The Right says "terrorism" is a greater threat than Communism was, so weren't we better off when the Communists controlled their half of the world and we controlled ours? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5794 Registered: 5-2001 |
When terrorists have the ability to wipe out all human life on Earth in twenty minutes the way the Soviets could, I'll consider them a greater threat than communism. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1811 Registered: 9-2004 |
Right on Tom. Lets see... 9-11 3k dead. . . . .VS. Planet Earth is a cinder. Howard Dean wants to know who funded the Path. http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/democratic-party-leader-howard-dean.html | ||
| westside Citizen Username: Westside Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2006 |
Truth is anon, you can't predict the future- in 1980, communism was the big threat. We made friends with some bad folks to fight our proxy wars. Some of our actions blew up in our face badly. We are still seeing the fallout from our Cold War battles, and we will for the rest of our lifetimes. If there is a solution, it may to be less interventionist. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1812 Registered: 9-2004 |
This morning, an interview with Harvey Keitel (who stars in "The Path to 9/11") reveals the following: Keitel: Yea, I had questions about events – material I was given in the Path to 9/11 that I did raise questions about. Yes, I had some conflicts there. Q: How was that met? Keitel: With discussion... ummm with argument. When I received the script it said ABC history project – I took it to be exactly what they presented to me. History – and that facts were correct. It turned out not all the facts were correct and ABC set about trying to heal that problem. In some instances it was too late because we had begun. Yesterday, DUer shewhomustbeobeyed discovered that David Cunningham, director of "The Path to 9/11," is the son of Loren Cunningham, founder of the worldwide evangelical group Youth With a Mission. Youth With a Mission has an "auxiliary branch" called The Film Institute. Members of The Film Institute write: TFI's first project is a doozy: simply being referred to as: The Untitled History Project, it is already being called the television event of the decade and not one second has been put to film yet. Talk about great expectations! Our goal is to help filmmakers, actors, technicians, etc. realize their God given potential and purpose in perhaps the most influential sphere of modern culture - film and television. Here's more information on the "Untitled History Project": Our next big project is to assist in the development of the new YWAM auxiliary - The Film Institute (TFI). The Film Institute is dedicated to a Godly transformation and revolution TO and THROUGH the Film and Television industry; TO it, by serving, living humbly with integrity in what is often a world driven by selfish ambition, power an money - transforming lives from within, and THROUGH it, by creating relevant and evocative content which promotes Godly principles of Truth married with Love. The Untitled History Project Begins Production July 25th. Mysteriously, the pages containing those quotes - which were freely available on the Internet until yesterday - have been deleted. Here are links to the now-deleted originals: http://www.markandkrista.com/4559.html http://www.markandkrista.com/30257.html Fortunately Google's cache has preserved these pages. See here and here. A WhoIs search reveals that markandkrista.com is registered to Mark Harris at Youth With a Mission. Last year Mark Harris spoke at Youth With a Mission's "Viva Latin America conference." Here's a snip from the report: Mark Harris spoke following Braulia and showed a DVD clip by film director David L. Cunningham, who together with others has formed a YWAM auxiliary called The Film Institute (TFI). One goal of TFI is to fast-track UofN School of Digital Film interns, placing them within the film industry, not to give them jobs, but so that they can begin to impact and transform Hollywood from the inside out. UofN is University of the Nations - Youth With a Mission's "global training network." UPDATE ONE From mhatrw: At the moment, ABC officials are calling the miniseries "Untitled Commission Report" and producers refer to it as the "Untitled History Project." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163964,00.html But it's being filmed relatively quietly. No production announcement has been made, and it's being shot around town under the nondescript working-title "Untitled History Project." http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2005/07/27/1148853.html UHP Productions will be on site filming a miniseries starring Harvey Keitel (of Reservoir Dogs, and Pulp Fiction fame), Patricia Heaton (best known as Debra Barone from Everybody Loves Raymond), and former “New Kid On the Block”, Donnie Wahlberg. The production is currently referred to as the Untitled History Project. http://www.myhamilton.ca/myhamilton/CityandGovernment/NewsandPublications/NewsRe leases/2005News/September/05-09-20.htm Who are "UHP Productions"? IMDB lists them as only producing one movie: http://www.imdb.com/company/co0163444 UHP Productions doesn't even appear to have a website. I'm guessing "UHP" stands for "Untitled History Project." UPDATE TWO From markam: UHP Productions is a corporation registered in California: UHP PRODUCTIONS, INC. Number: C2727420 Date Filed: 3/24/2005 Status: active Jurisdiction: California Address 2400 WEST ALAMEDA AVE BURBANK, CA 91521 Agent for Service of Process MARSHA L REED 500 SOUTH BUENA VISTA ST BURBANK, CA 91521-0105 Marsha L. Reed was (at least as of March 14 2005) Disney's Corporate Secretary. 500 South Buena Vista St, Burbank, CA, is the address of Walt Disney corporate headquarters. 2400 West Alameda Avenue, Burbank, has a Google Maps listing but no search results explaining what's at that address. Further searching reveals that 2400 Alameda Avenue, Burbank, is - or at least was in 1946 - a Disney office. Serious question, because I honestly don't know the answer: is it common practice to create a "ghost production company" in order to conceal who is really making a particular movie? ----------------------------- Meanwhile I notice that despite ABC's backtracking, a full page ad for "The Path to 9/11" which appeared today in the Cedar Rapids Gazette is emblazoned with the tag line: "Based on the 9/11 Commission Report." That's it. None of ABC's recent •••-covering disclaimers like "The Path to 9/11 is a dramatization, not a documentary, drawn from a variety of sources, including the 9/11 commission report, other published materials and from personal interviews." No mention of the fact that one of those sources, John Miller, is currently a member of the Bush administration working as assistant director of public affairs for the FBI. From Earl @ DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364 x2080965 | ||
| westside Citizen Username: Westside Post Number: 12 Registered: 7-2006 |
Wow. There's no smoking guns there, but lots of threads to follow. The only thing that doesn't bother me is the John Miller reference- you would expect Bush administration officials to be part of the historical record because it happened on his watch. It is clear that "the path to 9/11" is a steaming pile of .... rubbish that is an offense to the living and dead victims of the disaster. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1813 Registered: 9-2004 |
Tenents testimoney on 9-11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTqZg-uOHVY&NR ahhhh... its not in the .. movie.... right? Harvey on path: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b0ven7OeN4&NR | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 705 Registered: 3-2005 |
anon, It's worse than that. The Carter Administration deliberately funded and armed jihadism in order to bleed the Soviet army in Afghanistan. As Zbigniew Brzezenski so memorably put it: "What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empi re? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?" | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 1043 Registered: 1-2006 |
Another James Earl Carter success story. jd | ||
| Spinal Tap Citizen Username: Spinaltap11 Post Number: 197 Registered: 5-2006  |
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/sep/09/in_new_lette r_clintons_lawyer_demands_abc_yank_film I'm beginning to get the feeling that this is going to break bad for the Democrats. Also, has anyone considered how Manning vs. Manning will cut into the ratings for this. Everyone I know is watching the football game, not 9-11. | ||
| Ender Citizen Username: Enderw Post Number: 120 Registered: 4-2006 |
From Robert Livingston: "I normally wouldn't care about a piece-of-•••• work of fiction like this movie except that all the little scroti in this country are going to watch it and believe it. Why? Because it's on television, and most of the little scroti here are unfortunately very intellectually lazy, and none too bright. Like our president." Robert - plural of scrot** should be scrota, not scroti based on Latin grammar. However, since scrot** is masculine, I guess I can give you credit for scroti. Dems adamant about censoring ABC because of purported factual inaccuracies and making slick look unslick. Censorship of the media is now a Democratic talking point? I think most people think of ABC as part of the mainstream, liberal (read Democratically oriented) media and therefore would present the most pro-Clinton spin on this story vis a vis the truth. The Republicans would no doubt do the same. If the Clintonites are complaining about the ABC left-leaning spin, imagine their state of hyperactivity if they had to see the non-partisan truth. Move-on.org, the main funding arm of the Democrat party, is a bastion of anti-semitism. Wholesale use of 'Jew Lieberman' moniker for Senator Joe Lieberman, rampant criticism of Israel and reverence of Iran/Palestine/Syria and most other anti-US institutions. Let's see - Democrats are in favor of media censorship and are openly condoning anti-semites in their midst. Conclusion - Democrats, thy name is fascist!! Let's here it - some too clever by half retorts while no left-leaner will ever denounce the censorship of the media and no Democrat has distanced themself from moveon.org (at least I haven't seen any). | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 210 Registered: 2-2006 |
Black is white. Up is down. | ||
| westside Citizen Username: Westside Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2006 |
Me thinks there are lots of conservative posters on this board whose mothers didn't hold them enough when they were babies. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 12617 Registered: 5-2001 |
Be real. Does anyone think this "documentary" being on this weekend is a coincidence with Bush out making speeches and introducing legislation to keep us safe? Where did the money come for this "documentary"? To be honest it has "Swift Boat" written all over it and is typical Bush politics. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3050 Registered: 6-2002 |
This is a discussion of a TV show. Mr Ross, why isn't this thread in Arts and Entertainment rather than Soapox Politics? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5806 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ender's "Move-on.org, the main funding arm of the Democrat party, is a bastion of anti-semitism. Wholesale use of 'Jew Lieberman' moniker for Senator Joe Lieberman, rampant criticism of Israel and reverence of Iran/Palestine/Syria and most other anti-US institutions" is one of the creepier new talking points. The first time I read this I went to moveon.org's site to see if I could confirm these things, but I couldn't. When reality won't do, you've got to lie. Why are you repeating this when you can't show any evidence? | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3054 Registered: 6-2002 |
I just went to their web site and I couldn't find anything about the Middle East or Lieberman. I also don't think they are "the main funding arm" of the Democratic Party. The Party probably gets more money from Labor Unions and rich individuals in and out of Hollywood. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 1823 Registered: 9-2004 |
Bingo.... Moveon plans to pump 25 million into this cycle. Soros- 2 million DNC has raised about 30 million. DCCC has raised about 81 million. http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/090706/090706_donors.ht ml DSCC- 22 million http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/072105/dem.html AFL-CIO plans to pump 40 million. http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/090706/090706_donors.ht ml SEIU plans to pump in 15 million. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2067 Registered: 10-2005 |
and clinton's attorneys are demanding the film be yanked because they really want to protect the memory of 9/11 and keep it sacred and untampered.... yeah, right..... -slk | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3825 Registered: 5-2001  |
Ender, show me evidence of anti-semitism from MoveOn.org. I challenge you. Do it, if you can. Or SHUT UP. | ||
| Spinal Tap Citizen Username: Spinaltap11 Post Number: 198 Registered: 5-2006 |
moveon.org themselves have admitted that there have been anti-Semitic posts, of course, according to them they were made by members of the vast right wing conspiracy: http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitism_Domestic/eli_pariser_letter.htm | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3059 Registered: 6-2002 |
The link contradicts what Ender said. Moveon was praised by the Anti-Defamation League for immediately dealing with anti-semitic postings on their web site. |
