| Author | Message | ||
     Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 3873 Registered: 1-2003  |
Actually, disrupting a speech does, in fact, impinge on free speech. If Niederer was disruptive -- and I don't know if she was -- , then she was committing a violation. Free speech is not the right to disrupt a speech in progress. It is the right to have your own speech in peaceful response, in its own time. In other words, I don't think this story is analogous to the guy in Georgia who wore a "No blood for oil" shirt and who was told he wasn't in a "free speech zone". He said, "as far as I know, the whole country is a free speech zone." He wasn't committing any illegal acts. With that said, Ed still has a lot of questions to answer. For instance, why is it OK to taunt this mother with the fact that her son volunteered? It is disgusting that you present this as a valid point. | ||
| Ed May Citizen Username: Edmay Post Number: 2207 Registered: 9-2001  |
Just an after thought. John Edwards visited New Jersey today and spoke to a rally of Democrats at the Robert Treat Hotel in Newark. I strolled down to the hotel in the rain from NJIT, where I was about to teach a class, to check it out. Saw some fellow Maplwoodians down there at the event. To my knowledge no Republican interrupted Edwards' speech by yelling out "You killed my son" and advancing to the stage in a threatening manner, although, according to several MOL posters, such a protester would have every right to do so. | ||
| Maplewoody Real Name Username: Maplewoody Post Number: 791 Registered: 5-2001  |
Ed, Why would ANYONE yell that out? John Edwards was speaking, not W, Dick or Laura. Did he start the Iraqi war? Go to bed Ed! | ||
| Addy Citizen Username: Addy Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2003  |
If the mother of the dead soldier was advancing in such a threatening manner, perhaps she should have been pre-emptively shot before her words could be heard. Ed is continuing to be a nutso insensitve jerk. Give it a rest, Mr. GQ. | ||
| bobk Citizen Username: Bobk Post Number: 6210 Registered: 5-2001 |
Usually the GOP has a few plants in the audience yelling "four more years, four more years". Either way in our current managed political enviornment candidates and their surrogates expect to make speeches to audiences that are 100 percent behind them. They truly want to "preach to the converted". I find this and the protest pens so favored by Bush a shame. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1225 Registered: 6-2003 |
If Ed is using the same logic Bush will employ in his debate tomorrow, Kerry will slaughter him. On second thought, if DUMBYA doesn't drool all over himself and start crying, his fans will consider it a WIN. | ||
| George W Bush Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 83 Registered: 9-2004 |
childish post | ||
| musicme Citizen Username: Musicme Post Number: 817 Registered: 5-2001  |
At least it wasn't boring.... If and when Kerry/Edwards get the steering wheel, if they happen to run over a few soldiers then the mothers would have every right to complain. But why complain when they have very little complicity? | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2004 |
"To my knowledge no Republican interrupted Edwards' speech by yelling out "You killed my son" and advancing to the stage in a threatening manner, although, according to several MOL posters, such a protester would have every right to do so". Did I miss something here? Did John Edwards "kill" somebody's son? Over a 1000 soldiers die… for Bush's lie. | ||
| George W Bush Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 84 Registered: 9-2004 |
great point..  | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 3876 Registered: 10-1999  |
Dear George W Bush (or whoever you are): I'm having a bit of a problem. A colleague of mine has a nephew in the Marines, who shipped out to Iraq a month or so ago. This colleague and his nephew are quite close, and even went on a hiking trip out west this past summer, before the nephew went overseas. My colleague has often spoken with admiration about his nephew. Well, last week this colleague was absent from some meetings we had scheduled, and only later did I learn why. His nephew was severely wounded, lost his sight in one eye, and was in danger of losing sight in the other eye. My colleague's time was taken up in tracking down information, following the progress of his nephew's treatment, and making arrangements for his nephew's wife and son to come east, to join the rest of the family. His nephew is in the process of being transferred to a military hospital in the US. Yesterday, my colleague told me that he had just learned that his nephew will be losing his monthly combat pay, as a result of returning to the U.S. for treatment. My problem is this. When would it be appropriate to point out to him (politely, of course) that his nephew did volunteer, after all? I await your wise guidance in this matter. | ||
| George W Bush Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 85 Registered: 9-2004 |
I would rather trained combat soldiers fight terrorists in the Middle East as opposed to you and I being killed here in America by these same terrorists. Take the fight to the enemy. We have done so and we will continue to do so.. The front lines are Afghanistan & Iraq. Not NYC & LA. Be proud of your friend's Nephew. He's a hero, and you..well you're NO HERO. | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1226 Registered: 6-2003 |
I really miss Conservatives with brains like William F. Buckley. When you debate this new crop, you feel like your commiting child abuse. Hence George W Bush's apropos point. | ||
| jem Citizen Username: Jem Post Number: 1099 Registered: 5-2001 |
I was one of the Maplewoodians who went to the rally for Edwards - I saw a few others scattered about. The crowd was great - large, enthusiastic, friendly, and very patient - lots of us ended up standing for more than 4 hours. It was worth the effort - Kristen Breitweiser spoke seriously, simply and very movingly about her experience with the Bush administration during the time after 9/11, how at every step of the way her group had to fight: for the creation of the 9/11 commission, for testimony by Bush administration officials, for testimony by Bush himself, and then for agreement to follow the 9/11 commissions's recommendations. She stated that she's convinced that had the 9/11 Commission convened shortly after the attack (as in the case of Pearl Harbor, where a commission began work within 11 days of Dec. 7), we would never have gone to war against Iraq, since one of the major findings of the commission was that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks, and the families of soldiers who are dead or maimed would not be living with the sort of grief that she has lived with for three years now. Edwards was a phenomenal speaker - clear, to the point, and he really connected with the crowd. There was quite a collection of media there - tv, radio, print - but the coverage has been pretty scant as far as I can see. Over 3000 people came out on a miserable day to a very lightly publicized rally to support the Kerry campaign in the NYC media market and you'd hardly know it happened. | ||
| George W Bush Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 86 Registered: 9-2004 |
Of course Edwards is a great speaker. He made millions during his years as a trial attorney. He's gives new meaning to the word bs artist. | ||
| George W Bush Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2004 |
Ukealalio, I get the feeling your 6th grade education failed to review some of the basics. For instance when you write " When you debate this new crop, you feel like your commiting child abuse." It's you're..not your.. as in you are committing. And please don't even attempt to tell us you read Buckley (who is still alive by the way). You'd be lost by his second sentence. | ||
| Foj Citizen Username: Foger Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2004 |
I had to work--so I didnt use my invite- darn. Another poster-- Did I miss something here? Did John Edwards "kill" somebody's son? Yeah exactly-- 30 thousand+ dead Iraqis---for what logical reason? Dysentary--is rampant in Iraq-- Kids dieing from Bombs--you mean malnutrition. | ||
| notehead Citizen Username: Notehead Post Number: 1527 Registered: 5-2001  |
No reason to wait, Nohero. Point it out anytime. By volunteering, he was basically asking for it. Only an idiot would actually volunteer to fight for his country -- just ask anyone in the Bush administration. Kidding aside, here's some of what Mark Shields had to say about patriotism today on CNN.com... Consider the following facts: In spite of his personal doubts about the wisdom of his country's war policy in Vietnam, this young man from a privileged background with an Ivy League degree volunteered for combat duty in Vietnam where he was honored for bravery. Convinced that the U.S. policy in Vietnam was mistaken, John Kerry returned to civilian life where he publicly sought to change the U.S. war policy. . . . Our second young man came from an even more privileged family background and also possessed an Ivy League degree. When he secured a coveted position in his home state's national guard, he was asked if he would volunteer for overseas duty and he officially declined to do so. But George W. Bush, like Dick Cheney, unflinchingly supported the U.S. war in Vietnam. True, neither chose to personally serve in the war he supported. But let it be noted that they never criticized or protested any Vietnam policies of the U.S. government. By contemporary illogic, that, coupled with their creation of and passionate advocacy for the U.S. war in Iraq, qualifies them as patriots. But not John Kerry. | ||
| George W Bush Citizen Username: Mondale Post Number: 88 Registered: 9-2004 |
By volunteering you are committing yourself to the defense of the United States and the free world. period. | ||
| bobk Citizen Username: Bobk Post Number: 6213 Registered: 5-2001 |
What happens when their are no more volunteers? |
