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     AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1124 Registered: 10-2004 |
I was reading the newspaper today and saw President Bush's quote where he vows to overturn Roe v. Wade. It got me so upset. Could I hate anyone more than I hate President Bush? I guess so. I don't know why but I need to direct my anger somewhere and I have chosen you. As our country deteriorates in front of my eyes I will always remember that you were and continue to be a vocal supporter of Bush on this website and with your placards on your front lawn. And even though I know I am being irrational I blame this disease that has spread upon this nation soley upon you. When your children are spied upon and arrested for their opinions blame yourself. I just hope no one in your family is ever raped and then forced to carry the child to term. Oh wait, I forgot you can afford to leave the country to have an abortion. Your selfish need for even more cash probably blinds you into just not caring about all the corruption that your party leaders are all involved in. And heck you'll probably defend their actions because if and when you get the chance to be equally corrupt you will hope that someone is there to defend your illegal and immoral actions. I've battled with your kind enough to realize that you won't ever change your opinions and that you will defend your party and their beliefs regardless of how disgusting they are. But realize that some of us hate you for what you stand for, and that your decisions have consequences. I will continue to wait in vain for that one day when you will be less selfish and care more about other people rather than your own personal greed. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1448 Registered: 8-2004  |
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| Rick B Citizen Username: Ruck1977 Post Number: 970 Registered: 8-2003  |
maybe you should move... | ||
| cmontyburns Citizen Username: Cmontyburns Post Number: 1702 Registered: 12-2003  |
I'm not sure that hating someone because they are antiabortion is any less radical than hating someone because they had an abortion. You're assuming that the antiabortion crowd is basing its opinion on politics, while yours comes from the heart. My experience with abortion foes -- with whom i strongly disagree -- has been that their opposition comes from a very personal place. | ||
| MBJ Citizen Username: Mbj Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2005 |
Silliest post of the month. | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2002 |
Remember kids don't let anyone know your old man is a Republican...no more birthday parties for you. That post went so far as to make me feel sorry for AlleyGater. | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1126 Registered: 10-2004 |
Cmonty, I don't get the sense that my neighbor is antiabortion. I wasn't assuming the other things you said either. I really just don't like where our country is headed, I don't like our president, I don't like losing my rights, and I feel the need to direct my anger and disappointment somewhere. My republican neighbor is as good of a place as any. I find myself wondering everyday, what will it take to impeach the nasty pusbag? | ||
| buzzsaw Citizen Username: Buzzsaw Post Number: 3627 Registered: 5-2001  |
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| sportsnut Citizen Username: Sportsnut Post Number: 2280 Registered: 10-2001  |
Why not get mad at your own party for not getting its act together and putting forth a decent candidate? That would be a far more constructive place to point your ire, no? But then again I know its easier to point the finger at someone rather than actually come up with solutions. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 12032 Registered: 1-2003  |
As a Democrat, I agree with sportsnut. The Democrats deserve a lot of ire for their lack of leadership and political savvy. cmontyburns, I agree with you on the abortion issue. I marched in Washington for reproductive rights in April 2004. It was a big rally. By the sidelines, I saw some preists holding up their signs, and I saw the deepfelt passion on their faces, and while I disagree with their views, I appreciate their humanity. However, there are a lot of pro-choice Republicans who would do well to question whether Bush really represents them properly. | ||
| Haight-Strawbury Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6681 Registered: 10-2001  |
"I find myself wondering everyday, what will it take to impeach the nasty pusbag?" Well, you can start with Monica. Maybe she's available.  | ||
| Ms. Cooper Citizen Username: Ms_cooper Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2005 |
I try to stay out of these discussions only because I don't have a full working knowledge of politics, policy, politicians, etc. but I feel the need to weigh in on the issue of Bush's recent declaration and the media frenzy that continues to ensue. It troubles me that "pro-life" is frequently used interchangeably with "anti-abortion" and the term "pro-abortion", is bandied about for effect and sounds barbaric--kill! kill! kill! (I mean, does anyone know anybody who is PRO-abortion?) It shouldn't be about pro or anti-abortion, it should be about a woman's right to CHOOSE what does or does not happen to her body. I truly belive that someone can be anti-abortion and still be pro-choice. Abortion may not be the right choice for one individual but might be the answer for another. I would never imagine that my beliefs were suited to all individuals. If someone is pro-choice, they are not necessarily PRO-abortion. I like to consider myself pro-life--I like to live and try my best to continue doing so. However, it is much easier in a world where one's right to choose is safe. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 4725 Registered: 9-2001  |
Dear Alleygater, try looking in the mirror and loving the neighbor you see...... "then be less selfish, and care more about other people rather than your own personal greed..." Love and best wishes, from one of your Republican neighbors in town... Art | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1450 Registered: 8-2004 |
" Hello in there. If you are a Republican, I hate you. "  | ||
| Natb Citizen Username: Natb Post Number: 88 Registered: 8-2003 |
I have tried to stay out of the politics discussion especially around here but that picture you posted made me laugh. Thanks Guy. | ||
| Grrrrrrrrrrr Citizen Username: Oldsctls67 Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2002 |
Land Gator! | ||
| Smarty Jones Citizen Username: Birdstone Post Number: 224 Registered: 10-2005 |
Gator- Using rape as your reasoning behind being pro-choice is not only exploiting a tragic situation, but completely unconnected to whether or not Abortion is legal or not. It should be completely legal, and has NOTHING to do about how the fetus got there to begin with....using such phrases does nothing but put people off who otherwise may have been openminded, and takes away from the main point, which is a womans freedom over her own body. Do you even know how many rape/incest caused abortions take place each year, as a percentage of all abortions? As a pro-choice republican, I am now making a call to the Federal Police who will be knocking on your door this evening to take away some more of your rights. (By the way, could you name one right that you lost in the year 2000-2006?) | ||
| dougw Citizen Username: Dougw Post Number: 695 Registered: 3-2005 |
Guy that is the funniest post I have ever seen. Ms Cooper you said "I like to consider myself pro-life--I like to live" I bet all unborn children would like to live as well. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3093 Registered: 3-2004 |
Alley, You know I'm with you. I admire your ardor. As the radical right gloats and attacks, we must hold together, keep our pride and dignity. Don't let the bastards get you down...They think we want abortion to remain legal so we can be promiscuous, they think we want human rights so we can be terrorists. They are the true pessimists. Their time will come, believe me. It always does. As they say, "What goes around, comes around." Or, "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword." | ||
| CFA Citizen Username: Cfa Post Number: 1551 Registered: 5-2001  |
Why not move this stupid thread to Politics. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3095 Registered: 3-2004 |
Hey, Smarty: Keeping abortion legal has everything to do with rape. It also has to do with unwed mothers, fatherless children, high crime rates and your precious tax dollars. | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1127 Registered: 10-2004 |
Smarty: How about the right to privacy. I don't remember Bush legally aquiring the right to spy on us. I fear with Bush's most recent quotes that I am about to lose the right to choose to have an abortion or not as well. Have you seen that nasty Patriot act? I lost many rights with the passing of that piece of garbage legislation, and this year it was extended. I lost a lot. I blame my neighbor for all of this and more. | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1610 Registered: 5-2001 |
Alley, Blaming your neighbor for the Bush administration is like blaming a Catholic for the Pope. If you really want to vent, I'd suggest you call the white house and tell the operator exactly what pisses you off. I call about once a month and try to sound rational so they don't put me on some list(!) I use Working Assets for my long distance company, and one of the (many) things I love about them is each month they highlight 2 "lefty" causes and provide the phone #'s of congresspeople, the president, representatives, etc. that can move forward or block the issue. If you're shy about calling directly or just too busy, for $3.00 you can opt to have Working Assets send a "Citizen Letter" on your behalf. Better then griping at your neighbor, and your block party will be that less awkward. | ||
| CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 561 Registered: 6-2003 |
Alley - I share every sentiment you've expressed. Frankly - the Neo cons are distgusting human beings who care more about party glory than human beings. One thing to bear in mind, when (not if) abortion rights are overturned by the Supreme Court, NJ and other Blue states will immediately secure a women's right to choose. Prior to RvWade, a number of states had already made abortion legal. Many legal minds - including Ruth B Ginsberg - feel that the R v Wade was a bad decision because it took a right that was quietly becoming law in many states and made it a national/constitutional issue creating tremendous backlash. The real pity will be for the women in Alabama, Mississippi, Idaho, Wyoming, Kentucky, West VA etc whose state legislators and governors will not give them the right in their own states | ||
| Squeaky Wheel Citizen Username: Squeaky_wheel Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2003 |
Alley Gator, Try watching "The Daily Show" and the "Colbert Report." They are dead-on regarding the current political environment. Get a good belly laugh and use the energy to motivate yourself to become more politically active. Apathy, as well as posting on MaplewoodOnline without other action, will get you and your concerns nowhere! | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 4985 Registered: 10-1999  |
Don't be angry with your neighbor, or any individual voter. If it helps any, in all things political, keep in mind Heinlein's Law - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."  | ||
| njpolactivist86 Citizen Username: Njpolactivist86 Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 |
Although I'm a Democrat, this spouting of nonsense does nothing to advance the agenda (whatever that is). And to be fair, in New Jersey, where our Party controls everything, we've got more corruption in state politics and more politicians going to jail. EVerything we criticize Bush for doing is being done every day in Trenton -- its just not as high profile. Alleygater better open up a Star Ledger one of these days. | ||
| Lester Jacobs Citizen Username: Lester Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2005 |
Alley - Chill Dude!!! | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3100 Registered: 3-2004 |
njpolactivist: such as...? | ||
| mwoodwalk Citizen Username: Mwoodwalk Post Number: 506 Registered: 9-2001 |
What rights does the unborn child have, might I ask? None, I suppose, if you are to accept an adult woman's right to choose. Let's be honest about this debate: if you are for a right to choose, you are stating that you value an adult woman's life more than an unborn child's life, period. And by the way, I notice a lot of words like "stupidity" and "bastards" being bandied about here; can we please agree to avoid such ad hominem attacks. It is entirely unproductive and does nothing to advance the arguments being made--in fact, it just suggests that the person using those words must overcompensate for his/her inability to marshal a persuasive argument. | ||
| CageyD Citizen Username: Cageyd Post Number: 563 Registered: 6-2003 |
Yes, a living breathing human being who has family and friends a job or responsibility, can care for the sick, can comfort the needy, can pay taxes etc. etc. etc. has more value than an unborn human being. | ||
| njpolactivist86 Citizen Username: Njpolactivist86 Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2006 |
Well, the most recent was just a few weeks ago. We criticize Bush for selling out to oil companies; NJ just passed a no-smoking law that EXEMPTED only casinos. That's not an accident. Its for no reason other than getting the casino execs in their pocket financially. You have party bosses consolidating power by controlling municipal, county and state contracts, which drive up property taxes. In Essex County, you have a bloated government that exists only to reward party loyalists with jobs. I'm tired of paying thousands of dollars a year in property taxes and getting nothing for it. Its a plague on both parties, but its naive to accuse one party and turn a blind eye to your own. | ||
| Arnomation Citizen Username: Arnomation Post Number: 467 Registered: 7-2003  |
If life begins at conception, then why can't I claim my unborn child as a tax deduction? | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1451 Registered: 8-2004 |
Natb and Dougw  Profile of AlleyGater Arch Nemesis: Straw Now that is funny. | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1370 Registered: 9-2004 |
AlleyGater Mama Bush (Babs) is pro-choice.  | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 4990 Registered: 10-1999 |
Mwoodwalk - If it makes you feel any better, the "Never attribute to malice ..." rule is one recommended to everyone, no matter what your political persuasion. | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1129 Registered: 10-2004 |
I couldn't care less what Barbara Bush's politics are if her son (arguably the most powerful and stupidest person on the planet) vows to overturn Roe v. Wade. What happened to seperating church and state? You all hated Jimmy Carter who was much more openly religious then Bush, and you never saw him make a retarded, in your face, I'm going to force my religous beliefs upon you, statement. Has any president? I think our forefathers would be ashamed. I value a mother's right to choose over all else. I believe it is the Republicans who are all for the death penalty -- so murder is acceptable in their eyes regardless of their religious beliefs. If you want to call abortion murder feel free. We all have different opinions, mine is that nature was kind enough to give humans very many opportunities to have life. And if now is the not the right time for that individual to create more life then I support their decision to do what they will with their bodies. The idea that old white men get to legislate a woman's body sickens me. Leave your hands and your laws off my wife and daughter's (if I ever have a daughter) bodies. I also see this as an economic issue. The bottom line is anti-abortion laws really only affect poor people because if you got money you can always travel out of the country to have your abortion. How typical of the Republicans to pass legislation which harms the poor and benefits/doesn't negatively impact themselves. Although it would be very short sighted for them to feel that way, I believe. My theory is that our jails are over-filled beyond capacity with people who's parents didn't want or care for properly. Can I back this up with hard-evidence? I don't know, maybe someone could do research to prove it. But it certainly makes sense to me. I sort of regret getting into the specifics of my opinon about abortion though, because my original post wasn't specifically about abortion. The stupidity of Bush's vow to end Row v Wade made me wonder, is this the straw that broke the camels back for anyone else in the world? My original post really comes more from a feeling that the Republicans who voted for Bush, did they know what they were getting us into? When they voted for Bush did they think that our rights to privacy would be chipped away at slowly and surely? Don't they regret their decision yet? What will it take for their unfounded party loyalty to finally be stretched to thin? When will they realize that just because they are rich and want to hold onto more of their money (or they aren't rich but they envy the people who have money and someday want to be just like those rich Republicans) that their party has failed them. That the Republican party has gone so far off track from what they thought they were voting for that trying to save a few extra dollars at tax time just isn't worth what you have to pay to be involved with what the Republican party has become. What is it going to take for you to swallow your pride and admit that you made a wrong decision for our country, your children and ultimately yourselves. | ||
| Copperfield Citizen Username: Copperfield Post Number: 248 Registered: 1-2004 |
>>How typical of the Republicans to pass legislation which harms the poor and benefits/doesn't negatively impact themselves.>> If only the premise of your argument were true. But in fact most of the support for the Republicans anti-abortion stance comes from the poor-to-blue collar base they've built up in the red states. Not from their wealthy suburban faction. You see, unfortunately AlleyGator, the Republicans have somehow managed to convince millions of working class Americans that *they* are the party that represents them. Not the Democrats. And so somehow we have this through-the-looking-glass world where the Democrats are portrayed as the party of rich liberal intellectuals who are completely out of touch with the common people, especially on social issues and the Republicans are the party of the common man. How did we get here? My guess is that it has a lot to do with liberal Democratic strategy back in the 60s and 70s, which was to create change via judicial fiat rather than via legislation. Appointed judges making rulings that greatly affected people's lives seemed somehow un-American and un-democratic (small "d") Which opened the doors for Republicans to convince working class whites that the Democrats looked down on them and didn't share there views. (Which, if we're being completely honest, was, in many cases, not too far from the truth.) | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 768 Registered: 10-2004  |
Nohero - I prefer Heinekens law here | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1131 Registered: 10-2004 |
Copperfield, what people are told (deceived into thinking) and what is true are very often completely different. |
