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     Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 546 Registered: 7-2005  |
Now you are all putting words in my mouth...and I am forced to withdraw from the discussion for a while. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1173 Registered: 10-2005 |
Glock, Still waiting on the social ill you describe... -SLK | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1080 Registered: 10-2004  |
It didnt take long because your statement was blatant. "It all about being tough, from wearing those silly doo-rags (they remind of the KKK...creepy)" I didnt type that, you did. So wearing a silly doo-rag was equated with being in the KKK? Now thats what is creepy. I'm sure while you were in HS you were wearing tight striped tee shirts or baseball shirts, begged you parents for a pair of Nikes, rocked your pair of Dwayne Wayne flip up glasses, or maybe rocked some lensless frames, and lusted after Madonna. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 550 Registered: 7-2005 |
Mem- Why is it when a black person points out something like that...that a white person will generally assume they are being blamed? (I say this...because 9 times out of 10 it happens on MOL) Blacks make up 46% of the prison population. Blacks make up 12 percent of the total population. Once an convict they can no longer vote, and it becomes nearly impossible to seek higher education or a decent job. Thus they return to crime, the youth start a life of crime...and the cycle continues. "How do we raise the questions of poverty. The assumptions of this country is that if someone is poor, they are poor because of their own individual blight, or they weren’t born on the right side of town; they had too many children; they went in the army too early; or their father was a drunk, or they didn’t care about school, or they made a mistake. That’s a lot of nonsense. Poverty is well calculated in this country. It is well calculated, and the reason why the poverty program won’t work is because the calculators of poverty are administering it. That's why it won't work." | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1174 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hoops- My statement was blatantly racist? As a fashion statement, doo rags on anyone looks stupid, plain and simple, it just so happens that a noticeable majority of the doorags currently worn in MA/SO are by black males. And if I remember, no one tried to shoot me fort he color shirt I was wearing as a yuongster either.... Of course it is the white liberal male screaming racism first. Go figure...don't worry Hoops, no will think you are racist no matter how much you think we care whether you are one or not...there, you can sleep better at night now... -SLK PS. Hey everyone, think Hoops is making it personal with me these days? | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 551 Registered: 7-2005 |
You just made it personal with him. And I provided what you wanted...yet, no response. Hmm. | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 4016 Registered: 7-2001  |
"PS. Hey everyone, think Hoops is making it personal with me these days" "It all about being tough, from wearing those silly doo-rags (they remind of the KKK...creepy)to wearing winter clothes in 70 degree weather." No actually Hoops was right on when he called you on the doo-rag comment. This is what we are worrying about doo-rags? It sounds like you have an issue with black kids who don't conform to your style of dress, and when they don't conform you interpert it as the kids acting tough. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1175 Registered: 10-2005 |
Glock, So according to you the young black males are doomed and it is society's fault? Great attitude... Ok, so what are you going to do about it? Blame it on society and curl up and die? The easy way out. So, society is just locking up black males for the sport of it? News to me? Do you want an end to poverty? Education (school/trade) has always been a great option, staying out of jail is another. Caring about education is one major deciding factor whether you are going to suceed in life. Do you know what my wife tells all her young female clients? "Do you want a one way ticket to poverty?...get pregnant...." Joining the army too early is a ticket for poverty? The armed forces offer career paths as prisons offer education. My father was a drunk, so what is my excuse? And obviously you do not know the history of disagreement between Hoops and I. It goes way beyond this topic. -SLK | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1176 Registered: 10-2005 |
Parkbench...see my comments in my last post about hoops... | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 553 Registered: 7-2005 |
We are not talking about you S.L.K.... obviously you missed that. It was a quote about the assumptions made about people that are poor. Much like the assumptions you made about young black males who wear a certain style of clothing. | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1530 Registered: 9-2004  |
With Tiger on the golf course, Oprah on TV and Powell/Rice in high political offices, this is becoming a mute point, and rightfully so. SLK, Really? Sure they ARE successful, however, do they represent the majority of the AA community? We've made progress but there's still work to do. (Don't know why folks are quick to throw in Oprah and Tiger. And look what the GWB Administration did to Powell.) BTW… Tiger is Caublasian.  Other folks than AA’s sport “doo-rags”. How about the Hell Angels? Here’s some Doo Rags I found on a Hell Angels website.   And what about these guys?  I wear one while cleaning the house. I guess I must look silly in my own home, or perhaps I should go "gang-bangin tonight.  | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1177 Registered: 10-2005 |
Glock, I grew up in a lower middle class blue collar family. I may know a few things about financial struggles. Unfortunately the old saying "can't judge a person by the shoes they wear" is no longer true. In today's world, we use clothing as a defining attribute of ourselves, whether we are joe corporate or punk rock Bob. In other words, we are more and more defining ourselves by our clothing, rap adoring black males are no exception. Take a look around and you will see what I mean. I just find it unforunate that there is this peer pressure in the hip hop comunity where you are expected to be a hardass. From the clothes you wear to the dog you walk. Also, is it necessary for ANYONE to blast hip hop while driving? It is very annoying and rude.... -SLK | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1178 Registered: 10-2005 |
Phenix-LOL!  I don't like Doo Rags on anyone, but the Bikers usually where them under their helmets for comfort. Pretty fly for a white guy.... -SLK | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 554 Registered: 7-2005 |
Would it be OK if they blasted classic rock? CLassical music? Jazz?? or just hiphop? | ||
| efull Citizen Username: Efull Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2006 |
I am all for having this conversation in person.! We could meet at my house! I think it would be monumnetal and earth shaking for us.One to grow on. Is very easy for us to sit here and throw around terms like: prison, gangs, rap music, gansta, bling bling, teen age pregnancy and not give it a three dimensional world view. People and situations are three dimensional, how would we like it if someone chose to package us up in big blaCK OR White bow and then think they understood everything about us? Someone of the terms I used above are not the symptom but he sickness, and I think it is capitalism, which pushes racism and all the other ills that plague Black culture, and the things must people associate with Black culture is the end sick result. However, I do agree that at some point we are in control of ourselves, and those who have been given resources have no reason not to succeed.however, I think people really down play the effects of slavery and racism. Can anyone tell me where my family is from? Has anyone grown up or spent time in the south? HAs anyone ever been spoken down to, or my favorite( have people assume that you don't have or have not experienced something for no good reason other than it is impossible for them to conceive) Have any of the men every gotten pulled over reapeatedly for no reason?(ask my husband about North Arlington)He offered the police a photo of him so that they could circulate it and know that he was coming everyday through town and to save their energy since he was pulled over so ,much. Ask my husband- about being a National Honor Society inductee and the parents(one a police officer) say look at the monkey. Please don't talk to me about equal footing, this is so deep in our society that if we dug it out ???????????? My beautifl, black, intelligent, strong ,husband(had to throw that in there incase he's looking). Left his job at Prudential to go work for Covenant House and now works with childrent hat behavioral problems. His school is small and is comprised of mainly Latino and Black students. He leads by example, he could be making 6 figures a year, but he made a choice to try and reach young black males at risk. (he's actually up for an award this year) While we sit here and talk about the problems of our youth how many of us have done anything, or have seen a youth walking down the street with pants sagging or cursing and said nothing. I was at Voro's not too long ago with my other soccer mom girlfriends who are all white and when they brought this up to me, I told them if you don't speak because you are afriad they will think you're racist.. then you become complicit in the racism! Every child I see doing wrong, I speak up! Every child is my baby.. they belong to us. Let's stop blaming rap music for the corruption of black youths,let's blame the rappers and the billion dollar industry that profits.. OR LETS BLAME THE PARENTS FOR ALLOWING the WRONG MESSAGE IN THEIR CHILDRENS EAR! I went to an all girls private school for 3 years. ther may have been 100 black students all together! I saw the same problems that are attributed mostly to Black youth. Girls got high(not just weed either), girls got pregnant but got abortions, girls cursed and lashed out at their mothers and fathers, they listed to rock music which in the 80's had the same bad "rap" as hip hop. There's more to the book than its cover, and really let's get together we could really do something phenomenal with this conversation... that if you want healing and growth. efull | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1081 Registered: 10-2004 |
nice sentiments efull. SLK - its not personal. That would be your style, I try to keep it on topic and relevant. That being said I think any film about the black panthers, huey newton and their role in the civil rights movement would be a benefit to any student who saw it. | ||
| bklyntonj Citizen Username: Bklyntonj Post Number: 644 Registered: 7-2003 |
Thank you Buzzsaw & efull! You two get it. Please help the rest of the posters. ps - you too Notorious SLK. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11175 Registered: 5-2001 |
A couple of weeks ago in another thread I said I hoped that the controversy swirling around CHS at present would be an opportunity for some real communication. Message boards are a tough way to communicate because people tend to take extreme positions, positions they probably wouldn't take face to face. This can be bad, but it is a start. I am sure I am not the only poster who has friends who don't agree with every pearl of wisdom that flows out of my mouth, or in this case keyboard. Think about it. Why should the discussion here be any different. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1180 Registered: 10-2005 |
Glock, While it would be refreshing to hear some Sick of It All, Van Halen, Coltrane or Chopin blasting out of someone's car, no. And let me emphasize on refreshing 99% of the time it is rap/hip hop waking the dead. Yet another "tough guy" component of an insecure mentality. Regards, -SLK | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1181 Registered: 10-2005 |
efull- Great post by the way, but I am blaming rap music for the demise of youung black kids. It is only part of a bigger problem.... But it sure in god's name not helping any either... -SLK | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11177 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dr. Ron Ferguson a Harvard professor and a consultant to our school district thinks there is a connection between rap and the achievement gap. Even though as a country we were making progress on the achievement gap prior to rap becoming popular I don't think this is valid. Kids, all kids, have their own music. I remember when Elvis was only shown from the waist up on TV because his hip movements were considered, wll, too erotic for prime time. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1183 Registered: 10-2005 |
Bob K- Elvis was before my time but I don't ever remember hearing Beatle fans conducting drive bys to take the mofo out.... -SLK | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1770 Registered: 5-2001 |
Efull -
Well put. Efull, I'd love to join your conversation off-line - PL me if you pull something together. I'm reading a great book, "Deadly Persuasion" about the damaging effects of advertising and the creation of an unhealthy worldview based on cynicism and dissatisfaction and cravings. Not to shanqhai the thread, but your post ties right into what I've been thinking about lately. Lydia | ||
| Claflin Kennerly Citizen Username: 2cents Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2006 |
Do you remember them getting high on drugs? Or being criticized for not cutting their hair? Face it Notorious, we are old and we are the parents that "Just Don't Understand". It happens to every generation. As far as music and fads go, that is. Drive bys are caused by rappers now? Elaborate please. | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2005 |
Why is it that so many MOLers find it imperative that Farrakhan's entire ideological beliefs be brought to light, simply because he was briefly shown in a film presentation? I don't ever recall any of the teachers at Jefferson Elementary explaining to me who Thomas Jefferson really was? They failed to mention that he was a slave-owning, adulterer who cheated on his wife by numerously raping a teenage girl, impregnating her with his children, who were then, also born into slavery on his plantation. It's a obvious double standard exists when we reinforce the idea that Minister Farrakhan is anti-semitic, but we'll allow the history of others to be cleansed from their evils when given the opportunity to tell the whole story. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 562 Registered: 7-2005 |
Got 'em! | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2005 |
SLK- There is a reason why Black men wear du-rags. As for whether or not it is appropriate outside of one's own home, that's up for speculation. And when Glock refers to the disproportionate amount of Blacks (and Latinos) in prisons, compared to their white counterparts, I believe he is referring to the biased drug laws: Rockerfeller, mandatory mininimum, school zones, crack vs. cocaine. These drug laws, along with their punishments, have been conveniently tailored to absolve whites of being punished and sentenced for equally or even more serious crimes as Blacks. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1185 Registered: 10-2005 |
LW- Who in the world is talking about Thomas Jefferson? -SLK | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2832 Registered: 5-2004  |
I don't understand. A black man who sells crack and a white man who sells crack are treated differently legislatively? The perception of why certain laws were created, and the actual reasons that those laws were created can diverge signficantly. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2833 Registered: 5-2004 |
Oh, and I'll bite, LW... Why do black men wear doo-rags? | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1186 Registered: 10-2005 |
Claflin- No, gangstas are behind the majority of drive bys. Hip Hop, specifically gangsta rap, glorifies such actions. -SLK | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2835 Registered: 5-2004 |
Actually, that's not quite true. Several rappers have been involved in, or killed in, drive by and club shootings. | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 187 Registered: 12-2005 |
One song that can always blare out of a car radio without complaint: "All Along the Watchtower" by Hendrix. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2836 Registered: 5-2004 |
Not that we're generalizing, or anything. | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 74 Registered: 10-2005 |
SLK-I'm talking about Jefferson, and obviously, you missed my point, so I'll try to reiterate: A large majority of posters are up in arms that a presentation was shown regarding the MMM(Million Man March) because they feel that it's organizer, Louis Farrakhan is anti-semitic. Although Minister Farrakhan was not a feature in this film, people were still very angry that fragments of his history were not explained to the students. Now, I say all that to say, when I went to Jefferson Elementary (also located in Maplewood), I don't recall any of these same parents, or concerned residents, being offended that Thomas Jefferson's history was not told to us, the students, for what it really was. Why is that? | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1187 Registered: 10-2005 |
Glock 17- May I repeat myself: So according to you the young black males are doomed and it is society's fault? Great attitude... Ok, so what are you going to do about it? Blame it on society and curl up and die? Well? -SLK | ||
| bklyntonj Citizen Username: Bklyntonj Post Number: 645 Registered: 7-2003 |
Ok, I have to school you all once again... Many of today's urban fashion IS tied into the gangtsa mentality but its origin is in prison, not hip-hop music. Doo-rags were originally stockings cut or tied short to fit over the head as a stocking cap. This was done to keep or create ripple-like patterns in the hair called waves. Since you are not allowed to wear a belt in jail, many inmates had sagging or baggy pants. Khaki jumpsuits are worn. You're also not allowed to have shoestrings which led to a style of no shoestrings in sneakers or boots. Now, don't you see these styles being worn today? Another thing, rap is the lyrics, hip-hop is the culture. All this drive-by, shoot em up, gangsta mentality is NOT hip-hop in its original state. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6002 Registered: 5-2001  |
I had the same question about crack vs cocaine. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1188 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thank you for the schooling bklyntonj but don't you think it is disturbing that an entire generation is imitating prison culture? And this still doesn't answer my question on why winter coats are worn in 70 degree weather.... ;) -SLK | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 75 Registered: 10-2005 |
This is a question that is often asked, but not necessarily of rap: Is "gangsta rap" an example of art imitating life, or life imitating art? Think about the culture of violence that many of these rappers come out of. RASTRO-A person arrested for having one gram of crack will receive the same sentence as a person arrested for 1,000 grams of cocaine. Now, what fair and impartial explanation is there for that? And why must you serve a mandatory three to five years for being caught with drugs near a public building or school, the only exception being colleges. Think about where colleges are usually located and the demographic majority of it's students. Now, who usually lives or can be found within close proximity of a public building or school? Why aren't marijuana laws more strict? |
