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     Darryl Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7141 Registered: 10-2001  |
Oldstone writes: "if you cared about people of jewish faith you wouldn't call them jews." Seriously folks, can't make this stuff up.. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7543 Registered: 5-2001  |
Not sure that I agree. As a Jew, I get pissed off when called anything other than "Albanian". | ||
| Darryl Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7142 Registered: 10-2001 |
As a Jew I hate it when they call me a white male. | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 687 Registered: 6-2004  |
and i hate being called a jew because growing up being called a jew was derogatory. i still don't want to be called a jew or a gay. why do you need to call people a name that refers to their religion??? you need some lessons in basic manners. get a life and learn to be less condescending and arrogant. now get over me and get on to your money-making, bench-pressing and famous-friend name-dropping. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3012 Registered: 5-2004  |
Being called a Jew was derogatory? Where the heck did you grow up? Besides, no one called you a Jew. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Straw, but all he said was "My feeling is that you do not care for Jews since you are unwilling to do anything at all that could possibly prevent Israel from being destroyed." What should he call people of the Jewish faith? Plants? | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6129 Registered: 5-2001  |
I have been called a McWop, and McGuinea. I always resented that they left out the Scottish and Swedish and whatever else parts of my heritage, so now I ask people to please call me McWopsvenkiltplusgodknowswhatelse. Sticks and stones. | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 689 Registered: 6-2004 |
i call them people...people who are jewish if you need to call out what religion they practice for whatever reason. why do people need to be called something that can flame prejudice? i didn't say he called me a jew. listen, this is my last post on this or the other witchhunt thread started by the cyber-bully. i am just sick and goddamned tired of coming across his continual, condescending, attack posts. | ||
| Darryl Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7144 Registered: 10-2001 |
Put on your yarmulke Here comes Chanukah So much funukah To celebrate Chanukah Chanukah is the festival of lights Instead of one day of presents, we have eight crazy nights When you feel like the only kid in town without a Christmas tree Here's a list of people who are Jewish just like you and me David Lee Roth lights the menorah So do James Caan, Kirk Douglas, and the late Dinah Shore-ah Guess who eats together at the Carnegie Deli Bowser from Sha Na Na and Arthur Fonzerelli Paul Newman's half Jewish, Goldie Hawn's half too Put them together, what a fine lookin' Jew You don't need "Deck The Halls" or "Jingle Bell Rock" 'Cause you can spin a dreidel with Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock- both Jewish Put on your yarmulke It's time for Chanukah The owner of the Seattle Supersonicahs Celebrates Chanukah O.J. Simpson, not a Jew But guess who is? Hall of famer Rod Carew- he converted We got Ann Landers and her sister Dear Abby Harrison Ford's a quarter Jewish- not too shabby Some people think that Ebenezer Scrooge is Well he's not, but guess who is All three Stooges So many Jews are in showbiz Tom Cruise isn't, but I heard his agent is Tell your friend Veronica It's time to celebrate Chanukah I hope I get a harmonicah Oh this lovely, lovely Chanukah So drink your gin and tonicah And smoke your marijuanikah If you really, really wannakah Have a happy, happy, happy, happy Chanukah Happy Chanukah | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1489 Registered: 2-2005 |
Look for a new post from Straw soon, entitled "Dave - look what Oldstone said about me - waaaaah waaaaaaah waaaaaaah"... and requesting a ban for 'being mean'.  | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 1302 Registered: 7-2004  |
I get insulted when people call me a guy. I am a person; call me a male or a man. I am not a guy. When I was a child being called a guy was something derogatory. Maybe I just don't understand. I am a catholic, so if someone called me a catholic I wouldn't be insulted. All religions are differnt. I guess some people don't like others saying they belong to a specific religion, even if they do in fact belong to that religion. Oldstone, being Jewish isn't a bad thing. If someone says you are Jewish, you should just say, "Yes, I am." There is no reason to get insulted about it. This thread is silly. | ||
| Darryl Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7146 Registered: 10-2001 |
"What should he call people of the Jewish faith? Plants?" | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 690 Registered: 6-2004 |
ok, i lied. mayor, who said being jewish is a bad thing? noone would ever (now) say to me "you jew". noone would say to me "you are jewish". if someone wanted to know what religion i practiced they might ask "are you jewish?" or "what religion are you?" people have said to me: "get the jew" "kill the jew" "don't let the jew play" "jew •••" "jew, jew, jew" noone says "get the catholic" "catholic •••" "catholic, catholic, catholic" what is nice about being called a jew? tell me. | ||
| ess Citizen Username: Ess Post Number: 1887 Registered: 11-2001  |
To Oldstone's point: Jon Lovitz was on The Tonight Show a few weeks ago. Made some comment about someone saying something/doing something because Lovitz was a "Jew". Lovitz then said, "I am not a Jew. I am Jewish." Anyway, there are far, far worse terms for a Jewish person, unfortunately, and it is far too easy for many to come up with these terms. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 979 Registered: 2-2004 |
Oldstone, You have now entered the lack of self control club. Please, if you say this is your last post on a subject then at least respect yourself enough to heed your own advice. Or better yet, don't make such grandiose statements. That way you can leave it or come back whenever you want. In the meantime, I am laughing.... | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 691 Registered: 6-2004 |
hmm, you're probably laughing at me the same way everyone laughs at you for being obsessed with a community thousands of miles from where you are and posting your same tired rhetoric. the difference between me and you is that you and others like you (gee, i wonder who) laugh AT people and feel empowered by posting your "laughter" online where i laugh when someone says something funny and not at the cost of someone's pride, intellect or politics. | ||
| bettyd Citizen Username: Badjtdso Post Number: 212 Registered: 12-2005 |
No. The dumbest post ever was when you described invading Iraq, organizing and training its military and police to take over security, and the forming of a "unity democratic" government amongst religious and ethnic factions that have hated each other for centuries as "pretty basic stuff." You can't make this stuff up. You shold stop posting on this "boring" board filled with so many people you freely refer to as morons and apply for a job with the Bush Administration. They love people like you who can keep things really, really simple, especially with regards to inconsequential topics such as waging war, international relations, Middle East history, and the use of nuclear weapons. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11398 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oldstone, like myself, probably grew up in the 1950s and calling someone a "Jew" was not polite. Even amongst ourselves in my family we would say, "David is Jewish", never "David is a Jew". If it doesn't bother you guys fine, but to me it seems a little like calling an African American the "N" word. | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 693 Registered: 6-2004 |
thank you, bob. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 1303 Registered: 7-2004 |
"noone says "get the catholic" "catholic •••" "catholic, catholic, catholic" " Not any more. But they used to in the old days. Romans for a long time would kill you if you said that you were catholic. And yet, people were still not ashamed of it. Your point is not missed, but it is still silly. You can say any word (nouns mostly) in a bad way. It's not a bad thing to be gay. The word gay is not an insulting word, just like the word jew is not insulting. There are ways to say it that can be insulting though. If I call you a jew, I might as well say "you are jewish." There really isn't a difference unless in your own head you want there to be. I would not insult someone for being a jew. It would be a different story if I said "you f*cking *sshole jew." Then again I could also call someone an "f*cking *sshole chair." Jew is not a bad word. But some people are bad people. Sometimes people are too sensative. If no offense is meant, why take offense? Why make a problem where there is none? | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 694 Registered: 6-2004 |
mayor, my comment was to one person that has a reputation for calling people names. period. you are making this more than it is/was. | ||
| stefano Citizen Username: Stefano Post Number: 495 Registered: 2-2002  |
Can someone be Christianish? | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11399 Registered: 5-2001 |
Stefano Yeah, that is a Deist such as myself who leans toward Christianity, but doesn't buy the whole ball of wax. Jeesh, I thought everybody knew that.  | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14054 Registered: 1-2003  |
Doesn't it depend on context? If someone asked, "What are you, a Jew or something?" I would probably take it as hostile, especially if he said the word extra loudly and sharply. If someone asked, "As a Jew, do you think Arabs and Jews will one day live together peacefully in Israel?" that would be fine. | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 695 Registered: 6-2004 |
agreed tom, but please take into account a poster that resorts to name-calling in almost every one of his posts. hmmm...chicken little or the boy who cried wolf comes to mind. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 176 Registered: 2-2006 |
Mayor: Don't quit your day/night job and apply for the UN. You are the worst diplomat I have ever met (not sure if I didn't just give you a compliment) Tom: Confused...if "Jew" is a bad wore then wouldn't "Arab" be one too. Not trying to upset anybody ...really just curious... | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2680 Registered: 6-2002 |
Southerner: Why do you denigrate yourself by using the term "Southerner" rather than " a Southern person" or "a person of Southern persuasion" or " a person from the South"? So, many years ago a Jewish gentleman from the "old neighborhood" moved out to a fancy suburb. One day he went to visit his old friends in the old neighborhood and was asked how he liked his new location. He said: "They have a very funny habit. They call everyone the opposite of what they are. There is a guy on my block who is 6'9". They call him "shorty". Guy next door weighs 450lbs. They call him "slim". And me who's lucky if I get laid once a year they call me "that f*cking Jew"." That is an old Catskills joke, but I once heard an Hispanic comic tell the same joke except about a "Puerto Rican". | ||
| bklyntonj Citizen Username: Bklyntonj Post Number: 696 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hey Bob K, leave us AAs out of this. Dave, Bob K just made an anti-niggetic statement. Ban him!  | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14056 Registered: 1-2003 |
Oldstone, I guess I need to see the context. If he used the word harshly, it's a problem. I just don't agree that being called a Jew is categorically an insult. So yes, if Jew is bad, Arab is, too. But neither of them is bad. Nor is American. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2682 Registered: 6-2002 |
noone says "get the catholic" "catholic •••" "catholic, catholic, catholic" Have you ever been to Northern Ireland? Have you ever heard of Northern Ireland? | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 178 Registered: 2-2006 |
Ahh Tom..the voice of reason. I think we should vote for Tom as President in 2008. Look, he is calm, collected and can smooth anything over.. You got my vote. Oh shucks I can't vote cause I am a foreigner...darn. | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1855 Registered: 10-2004 |
Being Arab doesn't have anything to do with religion as far as I know. Being Jewish does. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 179 Registered: 2-2006 |
Hey Bklytonj: Whats an anti-niggetic statement...??? | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 180 Registered: 2-2006 |
I don't agree. I have friends who consider themselves jewish but don't practise. I think being jewish is much more then just the religion, same as the discription "arab". | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1492 Registered: 2-2005 |
Where's Cartman when you need him? | ||
| Darryl Strawberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7148 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tom the voice of reason?? That's almost as silly as oldstone writing that using the word "Jews" is hateful. For the record, oldstone wrote "Jews", not "Jew". The Nazis referred to individuals as "the Jew" and yes it was meant as an attack. So, there are Jews out there who say they "are Jewish", not just "a Jew". However, Jews as in many has never and will never be considered negative. This is obviously what Bobk was getting at with his 50's analogy, he just wasn't 100% correct. REMEMBER FOLKS, JEWS ROCK THE WORLD.. (Bob Dylan, etc) | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14058 Registered: 1-2003 |
Alleygater, it's true that Arab is an ethnic identity, not a religious one. But being Jewish is both religious and ethnic. The Jewish faith is a lineage. Actually, it's a tribe! Many Jews would consider me a Jew even if I renounced my association. "Why be a Jew? Because you are." This is a difference between Judaism and other religions such as Christianity and Islam. Those faiths welcome newcomers and make them full members. There are some Jewish congregations who welcome newcomers, but not many. Mine is one of those exceptions. The rationale (because we always need one) is that if you come to us, it must be because your soul was originally Jewish. I don't know if that means it got misplaced in the wrong body or what. Whatever. | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 698 Registered: 6-2004 |
tom, how is being jewish an ethnicity? if my russian or german jewish ancestors are jewish by ethnicity then what happened to their german or russian-ness? | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 181 Registered: 2-2006 |
Hey Darryl: Take a breath and read what is really "for the record" http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm Excerpt: It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 699 Registered: 6-2004 |
"That's almost as silly as oldstone writing that using the word "Jews" is hateful." show me where i said that please, chicken little. "However, Jews as in many has never and will never be considered negative." you just dreamt that up to defend yourself?? LAME. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14060 Registered: 1-2003 |
Thanks, Bajou. I like you, too.  I don't see a conflict between Jewish ethnicity and identity with one's country. Remember that Jews are nomadic. My name is German, but we don't know where or when it came from. We only know our family tree back a little bit, back to Russia. Lots of European Jews have German names that are identifiably Jewish. But I don't consider myself German. And the genetic thread can be traced, which is another reason to consider it an ethnicity. Bajou wrote: It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. It can if you want it to. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism This is not true. Some feel this way. Others don't, as I described a few minutes ago. Or, I should say, it is not universally agreed upon. So what, exactly, is a Jew? That depends. |
