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     Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 273 Registered: 4-2006 |
I know this may be considered political, but is ANYTHING not Bush's fault that happens in or to this country, or abroad? When I read posts here on MOL coming from an obviously educated and professional crowd, and about most any political, social, or international issue, I see an endless and knee jerk vitriol about the man. Was it this way with Clinton here? So I ask the question. Is Congress, Iran, North Korea, ANYONE ELSE responsible for anything or is it all Bush, all the time? Don't cheat and say the weather (wait, maybe he has Dick Chaney seeding the clouds) Let's hear it. Thanks. | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1505 Registered: 2-2005 |
Swing and a miss. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 276 Registered: 4-2006 |
True believer comments don't count. | ||
| ae35unit Citizen Username: Ae35unit Post Number: 47 Registered: 2-2006  |
Strike two! | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 277 Registered: 4-2006 |
Proving my point. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 278 Registered: 4-2006 |
Can some grownups post here please? | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1506 Registered: 2-2005 |
Face it - it was a dumb thread. Life sucks - buy a helmet. And incidentally, I'm as anti-george-w as you could ever find.... | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 282 Registered: 4-2006 |
I believe by statute I am only required by law to do so when I ride a bike. Second, be the bigger man thatn George W., find someone else to blame for something. Hint: Most people blame their parents  | ||
| HOMMELL Citizen Username: Hommell Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2005 |
Drink it  | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 286 Registered: 4-2006 |
Hommel- again proving the point | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 199 Registered: 2-2006 |
Yes I think everything is GWB's fault. As a matter of fact I place direct blame on him for the run in my stocking. Hey everybody's got to have a purpose in life and he obviously doesn't have anything else to offer. Oh and fact with a name like yours you should be able to spell Cheney's name correctly. | ||
| Albatross Citizen Username: Albatross Post Number: 834 Registered: 9-2004  |
Those things which are not Bush's fault are undoubtedly the work of the International Communist Conspiracy in their never-ending quest to infiltrate and pervert our natural bodily fluids. But on a more serious note: The problem with your question is that it assumes that laying blame upon the President precludes placement of blame anywhere else. So why does Bush get all of the (most vocal) attention? He's the most visible part of our government. Also: as our President, he represents us and is accountable to us, which North Korea, Europe, the UN are not. Finally, this isn't a phenomenon unique to the current President. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 292 Registered: 4-2006 |
Bajou- Sorry, too much Gruner. Albatross- Hating on FvF, is it Bush transference? | ||
| Albatross Citizen Username: Albatross Post Number: 835 Registered: 9-2004 |
Not at all: it was more of a musing on the general question. Given your response, I'm a little sorry that I gave it that much thought. | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4301 Registered: 12-2001  |
I have noticed that Bush supporters consistently claim that Clinton dealt the hand the Bush is now forced to play. My favorite example of this sort of logic is CJC's argument that because Clinton got us into a brigade sized quagmire in the Balkans, Bush was forced to get used into an army sized quagmire in Iraq. | ||
| Kibbegirl Citizen Username: Kibbegirl Post Number: 541 Registered: 5-2003 |
Everything is not Bush's fault -- it's Bush AND Cheney's fault. Were you better off 8 years ago? I was! I felt safe in going abroad with my family, I didn't have to fill up my gas tank on my credit card every visit, I didn't hold my breath driving through the Lincoln Tunnel, milk was under $2.00 and I didn't read horrifying stories about poor families sending combat gear to their children over in Iraq so that they could fight this unjust war safely. Bush really has f*cked up this country. And seriously, those who think he's doing a bang up job are either such die hard Republicans that they can't see the forrest for the trees, or mega millionaires who don't have to listen to us bitchin' and whining about Bush. When is this war going to end? Do they have an exit strategy? Why is it that Halliburton has not been audited? Why is oil $76 a barrell? Why don't we send more aid to Dafur? Why are illegal aliens suddenly the hot topic when Bush claimed during his first presidential run that he had "Mexicans in his family" and was wooing the Latin vote? Why is the Medicare bill so convuluted that those seniors without anyone to assist them, will miss the deadline because they don't understand what to do? Why is it when you call the Medicare hotline to seek answers, those EMPLOYEES don't know the questions?! Why did Bush, after all the recent reports on Global Warming, give the oil companies the go ahead to relax some of the EPA guidelines in order to produce more oil? Why won't Bush agree to tax the big oil company revenues to help us out or to put oil money aside to study Global Warming? Why is Bush "considering" an Iran invasion? Why is it okay for us to have nuclear devices but not other countries? If we want them to shelve theirs, then we should commit to shelving ours! Should I continue or are you in tears about this incompetence too? | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11411 Registered: 5-2001 |
According to Bush and company, nothing is his fault. Bad inteligence? Blame the CIA. Social Security reform? I tried Economy? 911 Iraq? The generals didn't ask for enough troops. Deficit? War on terror. You can't live the "unitary president" theroy and not be held responsible. | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1728 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nothing is Bush's fault, especially the ongoing occupation in Iraq. As Condi pointed out, it's the troops' fault. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1884 Registered: 7-2004  |
While Bush (and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and those idiots at Homeland Security and FEMA) all deserve the lion's share of the blame for the state of the nation, we cannot, nay should not, absolve the dumbass hicks in Red States who voted for these monsters because their backwards, bigoted religious beliefs were preyed upon. Those Red State loser inbred rednecks were used like a Bush twin after a night of debauchery. But I guess we have to keep those states around, after all, the civilized people of the north need a place to throw their trash. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 210 Registered: 2-2006 |
Dear RL: You could have put it differently but I have to agree as much as I dislike Bush he would not be where he is if he wasn't voted in (however narrow the margin was) I mean the fist four years were a true mistake...the second four years are a crime. Oh anybody who has a problem with a foreigner (like me) critizising your leader should have a talk with your own president and his buddies who continuously refer to GWB as the leader of the free world cause then he is my leader too. I want cartman for president no...cereal. | ||
| ROGER Citizen Username: Roger Post Number: 79 Registered: 2-2005  |
RL, As someone who came from one of those states that you are referring to, I can honestly say that not only is your post ignorant, idiotic and racist but what makes you think you are better than these so called inbreds? BTW, who told you that they get to vote for Rumsfeld, Wolfovitz, etc. So who is the dumbass? | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 219 Registered: 2-2006 |
Roger - got to give that one to you Unfortunately 9/11 and the need for revenge got GWB the second term... | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 990 Registered: 2-2004 |
I love that we get to so many of you. I can't wait to read even more after the election. I'm hoping Pelosi's vain pops on national TV. Maybe Dean should get some advice from Schrum. That's a dynamic duo. Just when this board gets boring a lib loses it. And we still have Diebold in our pocket. Priceless. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1885 Registered: 7-2004 |
I am better because I was smart enough not to vote for Bush. I'm sorry to say, Bajou, that your adoptive (or temporary residential?) country is incredibly unsophisticated and stubbornly dimwitted when you factor in the Red States. Bush is to blame, but the majority of red-state Americans dug this country's grave. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 234 Registered: 2-2006 |
Rob - not to be obnoxious but did you look at the per capita voting ratio. The red's overall got their butts of their chair and voted. Don't get me wrong I dislike this administration with a passion and actually shed a tear when I heard the final results of the election .. yes Southerner I cried... because it will take my children and their generation a lifetime to make up for the stupid f*ck GWB if they even have the chance. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1886 Registered: 7-2004 |
Bajou: You need to understand that outside the smart (blue) areas we're a fanatically religious and unprogressive country. Bush (and Rove) exploited most of this country's fears and prejudices. They outright lied to do so. But, as Homer Simpson notes, it take two to lie: one to do the lying and one to do the listening and buying of the lie. Fortunately, except for the extreme bottom-feeders (that one-third of backwater backwash), most people are seeing what havoc their choice of POTUS is reeking and will not make the same mistake by voting Republican again. Sadly, it's taken a near-total breakdown of competency, ethics, and intellgence for most hicky Americans to come to this conclusion, but thank God they have, right? There is reason for hope, even if the next six Democratic administrations will be fixing the problems Bush has caused. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 238 Registered: 2-2006 |
Hey Rob: Your quote "Bajou: You need to understand.." makes me think that ignorance is not just found in the red states. I just spent time in the South and let me tell you alot of people there don't like Bush either so you can't generalize like you do. The soldiers that are dying are coming predominatly from the poor states and that is not necessarily caused by political affiliation. There are extremely poor states out there that have been overlooked by both parties and if you want to go to school the military is sometimes the only choice. I just went to the Naval Academy Graduation Ball in Annapolis and let me tell you Bush and Rumsfeld are not the favorite there either. Frankly, you referring to people as bottom-feeders makes me wonder what you have done for this country other then post your elitist opinions and watch the Simpsons. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1291 Registered: 10-2004  |
Is ANYTHING Not Bush's Fault? No. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1292 Registered: 10-2004 |
err - Yes Can you please rephrase the question?}} | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2006 |
Well anyone find ANYTHING that isn't his fault yet? | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 246 Registered: 2-2006 |
YEAH...IT'S NOT HIS FAULT THAT I WILL GET MY HEINI OUT OF THE OFFICE NOW AND SMOKE A CIGARETTE AND HAVE A GLASS OF WINE IN A NICE OUTDOOR RESTAURANT. THAT IS TOTALLY MY OWN DECISION... | ||
| ess Citizen Username: Ess Post Number: 1898 Registered: 11-2001  |
I'm late to this thread - but high fives to Kibbegirl and Hoops! | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 317 Registered: 4-2006 |
" If Bush don't fit, you must acquit"? | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1367 Registered: 10-2005 |
FVF- Thanks for making this post, you really got the Bush haters' underwear in a knot with this thread, even the, ahem, smart ones like RL. They are so use to blaming Bush for everything that they have hard time finding something not to blame the man for...classic... Haven't you figured out that MOL is a form of public psychotherapy for BDS sufferers? RL, Can I ask you a serious question, oh great, smart, blue stater Dem? What do you suggest we do with all the red neck red staters who voted for Bush...kill em all? Imprisonment? Your answer should be interesting....I am listening to the Stone Roses "Shoot You Down" remix and your name is all over it....can I share some of the lyrics? "You know it You show it And the time has come To shoot you down What a sound When the day is done And it all works out I’d love to do it and you know you’ve always had it coming" Sing it baby.... -SLK | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2693 Registered: 6-2002 |
OK, I think I'll be serious. Lots of people in "Blue States" voted for Bush. Lots of people in "Red States" voted for Kerry. The Anti-Bushites will blame Bush for "everything" in part because Bush & Co. take responsibility for nothing. In a different context a Republican once said about the election of 1932 when FDR ousted Hoover: " A political party that takes credit for the sunshine should not be surprised when its opponents blame it for the rain". | ||
| Shanabana Citizen Username: Shanabana Post Number: 377 Registered: 10-2005  |
I think it's pretty silly to blame everything on Bush, just as I think it's pretty silly to be nostalgic about the Clinton years. That said, I'd take the latter back in a heartbeat. | ||
| 3ringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 181 Registered: 1-2006 |
This thread appears to offer confirmation of the study done at Emory University showing that people sometimes get stuck in their partisan views and can't really respond objectively to anything that casts their guy in a bad light: http://news.emory.edu/Releases/PoliticalBrain1138113163.html I don't claim to be exempt from this tendency because I have my own hobby-horses to ride. But I don't have much use for either party and I don't see that much of a difference between them, so I may be a little more sanguine than some other posters, since the alternative is either despair or emigration. I don't think much of Mr. Bush and Mr. Clinton was no great shakes either. I see them both as human beings, with all of the attendant frailties that come with the territory. But they are also politicians, and politicians often behave as, well, politicians. I think it was Ralph Nader who said that America doesn't need a third party, it needs a second party. Ralph is right about that, but not much is going to change because I think the American people are satisfied with the globalist, Wilsonian, free-trade, open borders status quo in both its Democratic and Republican manifestations. Cheers | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 1887 Registered: 7-2004 |
Scrote: The Stone Roses suck. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 337 Registered: 4-2006 |
3ringale- I think this is the reason why we can't get quality leaders to run for President. Your life gets picked over, and who hasn't made mistakes? You will be blamed for everything wrong with the country, even if what you are being blamed for is illogical or unreasonable. You probably lose 3-5 years of your life due to the stress and responsibilities of the position to boot, with the limited gratitude of the people who you serve. Given the climate of our country and politics, do people need to wonder why we get intellectual pygmies, self-serving money grubbers, and pandering dolts in positions of power? | ||
| Hamandeggs Citizen Username: Hamandeggs Post Number: 281 Registered: 8-2005 |
The perks of being President are pretty good, though...gratitude notwithstanding. |
