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     C Bataille Citizen Username: Nakaille Post Number: 2618 Registered: 5-2001 |
Two were murdered last week in a drive-by and this one is in critical condition after being shot in the head. http://www.nj.com/newslogs/starledger/index.ssf?/mtlogs/njo_ledgerupdate/archive s/2006_05.html#141403 They all sound like executions to me, which makes me wonder why the turf war, if that's what this is, is in high gear all of a sudden? On the one hand I think, why are 16 year olds out on the street at 3:30 a.m. or even 12:30 a.m.? Yes, I know kids sneak out. I work with some middle schoolers who'll sneak out during the night. On the other hand, the shooting on South Orange Ave was in the late afternoon. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 343 Registered: 2-2006 |
I know this is pretty sickening. However the shooting in South Orange was not a youth. He was a 32 yr old person who was just recently released from jail. he had served time in connection with a homocide case. Sounds to me like somebody was not happy with the guy. He was actively involved in the "Bloods" which are not known for their kindness if you get my drift. http://www.localsource.com/articles/2006/05/12/news_-_record/news/local/doc44625 878366b6092642833.txt | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 219 Registered: 11-2005  |
Lets not forget that juveniles account for a great deal of the crime and gang activity that results in these deaths. If that's the life you choose then so be it and if you happen to be 16 when your time's up.....peace out. Sorry if it seems I have no compassion for the kids but did anyone read the story about the 16 year old Newark teen who just got locked up because HE was the trigger man in drive by shootings? Many times we'll here of a kid being killed and they'll show us his Communion picture or write how he's been doing well in school, they never say he's only 16 but has been arrested numerous times for...... How about the 14 year olds who are stealing our cars at night, and that's another thing, why is it if you dive the streets of Newark/Irvington/East Orange at 3 in the morning kids are hanging outside like it's the middle of the afternoon? C Bataille - I don't think there's any major turf war going on, it's just business as usual. There's a difference between sneaking out at night and being left to wander because your parents don't give a damn. Sucks but that's life on the streets | ||
| Chris Prenovost Citizen Username: Chris_prenovost Post Number: 940 Registered: 7-2003 |
Where are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in all this? | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 220 Registered: 11-2005 |
They'll only speak up if the're killed by non-black people | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 137 Registered: 10-2005 |
Unfortunately, CHRIS, these type of tragedies don't draw national attention, so why would Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson show up? FYI, although I realize you're just being a condescending smart alec, as usual, there are many activists and ordinary citizens who march, protest, and look for proactive measures to end this violence, since you're so concerned. K_soze-Since you stoop just as low for irrelevant cheap shots, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are civil rights activists, and I don't think these tragedies qualify as such. This may be the last I post on this thread, because the insensitivity is sickening. How would you feel Chris, or SOZE (if it applies to you), if your child was speeding on the highway, crashed and died? Oh well, "your time's up, peace out." | ||
| jet Citizen Username: Jet Post Number: 1114 Registered: 7-2001 |
Thats why Bookers 1 st job is to hire a police chief who will actualy get the cops to do there jobs. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6152 Registered: 5-2001  |
These are not innocent kids involved in car crashes, they shoot people, and these are the real situations that Al and Jesse should really be involved with instead of waiting for white injustices. OK, spin away. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 348 Registered: 2-2006 |
Frankly I truly believe that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been a detriment to the black population and Al Sharpton especially is no civil rights leader in my book. That would be an insult to the true civil rights leaders of this country. Al Sharpton is a "shortest way to the camera" leader. And LW frankly as a mother I have tried to make my children understand that there are consequences to certain behavior. Drug abuse has consequences, choosing to be part of a violent organisation (no matter what color the organisation represents) has consequences. Speeding down the highway has consequences.. Yes every parent would feel horrible if their child would die in a car crash but if that child was speeding and took out a couple of other people in cars who were not speeding then, in my case I think I would feel horrible that my child would have shown such disregard for his/her and others life and an utter carelessness about the consequences. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 904 Registered: 7-2005  |
And once again Mem and K_Soze are the experts on black people  j'yeah, right. | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1658 Registered: 9-2004  |
C Bataille & jet, Mayor-elect Cory Booker made street violence his main campaign issue. To stop the violence, drugs and improving the educational system in Newark. Too many young AA males are dying in these Newark streets. There was an article in Sunday’s Star Ledger about this growing crisis. In the past 18 months, at least 17 young men between the ages of 15 and 19 have been shot or stabbed to death in Newark streets. At Central High, despair follows shootings http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1147713908244670.xml& coll=1 Teens don’t even feel safe going to school, without the dodging of bullets or gang bangers in their face. At Weequahic High School, four students have been killed since November. We can do WITHOUT the SARCASM on this crisis (Chris & K_soze). This is a crisis that the new mayor will inherit. It won’t be easy for Mr. Booker, however, with his new team and the changing of the guards, he could put forth a dent in this never ending “gunning downs” and the shorten lives of the youths of Newark. I saw an interview this weekend with teens, and the commentator ask this 16 year-old where did he see himself in 5 years. His reply, “ probably dead.” This sense of hopelessness and despair for the future is SO sad. BTW… Jessie Jackson has lost his credibility with me a long time ago. As far as Al Sharpton is concerned, his early days as an activist was on the right foot. The guy use to go to the drug corners of Brooklyn and set-up protests to drive the drug dealers away. He was very VOCAL in the community in fighting street violence and drugs on the streets. Unfortunately, he has abandon his focus and concentrated more on “the popularity of a case” than the advocating for the average joe living with the drug dealings & violence of the streets. I’m sure if this was NATIONAL news, he would be there and Jessie right behind. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6154 Registered: 5-2001 |
"And once again Mem and K_Soze are the experts on black people". And Glock, you are SUCH an expert on white people. NOT. | ||
| bklyntonj Citizen Username: Bklyntonj Post Number: 711 Registered: 7-2003 |
There was an event on Monday at Newark City Hall put together by the youth to speak out against "youth violence". There was also a fundraiser in West Orange put together by the "threedoctors" organization on May 4th. Things are being done but the problem is a serious one to deal with. These killings are taking place nationwide (look at Boston's rise in murders). I must admit, the insensitivity on this thread is amazing. Especially since we're so close in proximity to Newark & Irvington. Someone please refresh my memory, who was/is the white activist speaking out against teen suicide and drug use in the suburbs? White teens do lead in these statisitics. | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1574 Registered: 2-2005 |
Mem, When you've lived as long as Glock and had as many diverse experiences as he has, then maybe you'll get a better perspective on how the real world operates. Until then, Mem, you should realize that (intelligence or potential aside) you're just a kid. As Denis Leary might say, you don't know '•••• about ••••'.... and pull up your pants! Oh wait... do I have this backwards again? Which one of you is the kid? | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 352 Registered: 2-2006 |
It is truly a tradegy that the number 1 reason for the death of a young black male is another young black male. However how this has not become a wakeup call to the large majority of black parents is beyond me. Where are the "Black mothers against black killers" ralleys? This effort has to come from the black community because if it comes from anywhere else it is considered labeling and profiling. There is Al Sharpton the moment there is a question of police brutality..but where is he when blacks are killing blacks? This should be the new civil liberty fight... Call it what it is...and for crying out loud shut that Al Sharpton up who is blaming everybody else. It is time for the black community to stand up to a certain segment of their people and shout it out loud..: WE WILL NOT ALLOW THIS SENSELESS KILLING ANYMORE. SHOUT IT OUT TO RAPPERS WHO GLORIFY THE "GANSTA" LIVESTYLE AND MAKE YOUNG PEOPLE THINK ITS OK. SHOUT IT OUT TO THE MOVIE INDUSTRIE THAT THIS EXCESS VIOLENCE IS NOT NECESSARY AND SHOUT IT OUT TO YOURSELF AS A PARENT ... YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. And Glock don't you dare call me a racist cause I am not one. | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 138 Registered: 10-2005 |
GLOCK-I know, I love it when white people tell us their opinions on our leaders. Thank you, white people. BAJOU-Crime is intraracial, meaning white people usually committ crimes against other white people and the same with blacks. And where are you when white people are killing white people? Or when white people kill themselves, since suicide is usually attempted or committed by whites? Or when white children are using heroin and meth, because it's happening in white communities at an alarmingly high rate? Where's your outrage? Or don't you care when white people are victims of reckless behavior? And don't try to amend my previous scenario of K_Soze or CHRIS' kids speeding, crashing and dying. I didn't say anything about anyone else dying. Don't be selective in what you "read" on the victims of these tragedies. Yes, some of these children had juvenile records, minor and serious, others didn't have records, yet were honor roll students or stand out athletes. And so the heck what if a kid has a record, does that mean they deserve to die. If someone steals my car, I'm not as heartless to say that they deserve to be murdered in the future, but that's just me. As far as I'm concerned, when children kill other children, whether it's Columbine or Newark, two lives are ruined, and two families are left to suffer: that of the victim, but also that of the assailant. I really don't think the majority of the posters here give a damn about what goes on in Newark or any other ghetto, although you should be. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6156 Registered: 5-2001 |
LW, You're so welcome. I guess I am not allowed an opinion on "your leaders"? How very open mnded of you. Thank you, black people. Sheesh. No one is saying anyone deserves to die, you are misreading. My point is that "your leaders" should speak up about this more to stop it. Something needs to be done, right? Are we supposed to turn a blind eye? Difficult when it starts to happen on our doorstep. This thread is not about white teens who do drugs or meth or commit suicide. Start a new thread on that and let's focus on the title and subject of this thread. | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1659 Registered: 9-2004 |
Bajou, How about the “Millions Man March? This historic event brought nearly two million men to the Nation’s Capitol. "It demonstrated the willingness of Black men to atone to God for our shortcomings as men, husbands and fathers; it demonstrated our willingness to reconcile differences at home, school, church, organizations and in the society in general; it demonstrated our willingness to accept responsibility to change our behavior and to strive to make our communities a more decent place to live. One of the largest marches ever seen, participants were asked to pledge to "clean up their lives and rebuild their neighborhoods". One of the pledges… to "take responsibility for their lives and families, and commit to stopping the scourges of drugs, violence and unemployment". Because of the Millions Man March, we have the Million More Movement today. A A group that continues to demonstrate the pledges of the MMM. So all is NOT silenced on the homefront as far as AA are concerned. I’ll admit there’s more to be done. There ARE other organizations: Black Youth Coalition Against Violence AmeriCorps http://www.cns.gov/americorps/index.html (nationwide) (800) 942-2677 This federal “domestic Peace Corps” program has enlisted thousands of young volunteers to combat violence in their communities. Beyond Expectations (Chicago) (312) 794-2568 Aimed at reducing violent behavior by pairing at-risk youth with adult mentors, this program targets African-American adolescents using an approach that incorporates African history, culture and customs to teach social and personal responsibility. Resolving Conflict Creatively Program (New York) (212) 387-0225 This program seeks to create a school-wide environment stressing nonviolent conflict resolution. Classroom lessons and student mediation programs (for kindergarten through grade 12) teach young people problem-solving and negotiation skills. Students Against Violence Everywhere (SAVE) n this student-initiated program, teens learn about issues related to violent crime (especially firearms). They organize discussion groups involving peers, parents and other community members which address topics such as gun safety, the consequences of violence and strategies for nonviolent conflict resolution. Youth Crime Watch of America http://www.ycwa.org This non-profit organization sponsors hundreds of school and community programs throughout the U.S. that emphasize the principle of citizenship in helping young people reduce crime and drug use. | ||
| Lucy Smith Citizen Username: Lucy123 Post Number: 151 Registered: 6-2005 |
There might not be "reverse racists" on this board but there are quite a few glaring examples of raging prejudiced and discriminating bigots' ideas throughout this thread. You can call it whatever you want but if the shoe fits-WEAR IT. Take your blinders off and realize what you represent with your words as well. This thread and the few others like it make me sick and I really can't read them anymore. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6157 Registered: 5-2001 |
Phenix Thank you for that info. As usual, you are a voice of reason. Lucy, I posted that I think that Al S. and Jesse J., as leaders, should do more about this problem. Just like I think bush and many other leaders should do more about a lot of things as well, too many to count. Does this make me racist? Am I to keep my mouth shut because I am white - isn't that reverse racism? | ||
| Lucy Smith Citizen Username: Lucy123 Post Number: 153 Registered: 6-2005 |
Mem-I agree with you 100% and my post was not directed at you or your opinions. Please look for a PL from me. | ||
| bklyntonj Citizen Username: Bklyntonj Post Number: 712 Registered: 7-2003 |
After further consideration, I take back my statement about people being insensitive on this thread. I believe the comments being made are out of outrage and anger towards what's going on so close to home. Every opinion on this thread is justified. Black people better wake up! | ||
| LW Citizen Username: Lrw Post Number: 141 Registered: 10-2005 |
Ok Mem, then what exactly are you trying to say when you state that "These are not innocent kids involved in car crashes, they shoot people, and these are the real situations that Al and Jesse should really be involved with instead of waiting for white injustices."? Please, because I'd really like to understand. And of course you can have an opinion, I just can't take you seriously when you, or any other white person automatically blurt out Al Sharpton or Rev Jackson when they're talking about Black/white issues, politics, or injustices. Because, to me, it shows how unknowledgeable you are on the issues by even suggesting that those are our only leaders. You fail to mention, or care not to know, that we have hundreds of dedicated Black leaders right here in our area, many with compassionate, involved white supporters, I might add, just in case you care to join the struggle, since you seem so concerned. That's why I love it when you tell me about my leaders, because you don't know the half. BTW, I'm glad I could help in solidifying a friendship with you and Lucy. Talk amongst yourselves. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6158 Registered: 5-2001 |
bklyn, If that is sarcasm, then where's your sensitivity? | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 359 Registered: 2-2006 |
It is amazing how words can be turned. Your words to Glock: I know, I love it when white people tell us their opinions on our leaders. What makes you think that these are just your leaders? Can I not look at the civil rights movement and its leaders as my heros too? So just because I am white disqualifies me? Do I qualify because I almost married a black man two years ago or do you have to have actually be black. Frankly I find these views disgraceful. We are all people and this "we and them" has to stop. You know what it comes down to: http://www.apa.org/ppo/issues/pbviolence.html#epidemic Yes crime is inter-racial and you are right about that and yes suicide is mainly a white young male incident (there is discussion on a genetic issue tied with severe depression which can be inherited) http://www.nimh.nih.gov/suicideprevention/suifact.cfm However: The ultimate violence is murder. Homicide has been the leading cause of death among African Americans age 15-34 since 1978. The lifetime risk of violent death for young black males is 1 in 27 and for black females, 1 in 17. By contrast, 1 in 205 young white males and 1 in 496 white females are murdered. http://www.apa.org/ppo/issues/pbviolence.html And don't try to amend my previous scenario of K_Soze or CHRIS' kids speeding, crashing and dying. I didn't say anything about anyone else dying. But they were. They were talking about crimes against a third party. They were talking about shootings. Don't be selective in what you "read" on the victims of these tragedies. Yes, some of these children had juvenile records, minor and serious, others didn't have records, yet were honor roll students or stand out athletes. And so the heck what if a kid has a record, does that mean they deserve to die. I said it was a tradegy that the number one reason of death for a young black male is a young black male. I could care less if he has a record or not. It is heartbreaking when a young person gets killed. If someone steals my car, I'm not as heartless to say that they deserve to be murdered in the future, but that's just me. As far as I'm concerned, when children kill other children, whether it's Columbine or Newark, two lives are ruined, and two families are left to suffer: that of the victim, but also that of the assailant. I really don't think the majority of the posters here give a damn about what goes on in Newark or any other ghetto, although you should be. I could care less about my car and when it was stolen for the 8th time in 1 1/2 years and the kids that stole it crashed I was very concered for the driver. He was very badly injured and very young. I was pissed at my stupid car and the fact that they were not caught before when they would have just gotten in trouble for their action and not seriously injured. Violence has many victims other then the true victim. The families, the friends, the victims of furture violence caused by the original action so therefor we agree again. It makes no difference what color the child is that died. It makes no difference what color the child is that killed. What makes a difference is that they are children. What makes you think that nobodies gives a •••• about Newark. I have a lot of friends there.} | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6159 Registered: 5-2001 |
LW, Try to understand then: WHERE did I say that Jesse and Al are your ONLY leaders? I referrred to Jesse and Al because they are very visible and always in the media and have a lot of impact on the AA community, right? The Jesse and especially the Al personas that we see in the media portray them as angry and rageful and shouting about white people, and in Al's case - incoherently half the time. Well then why aren't they in Newark and other hot spots doing something to help about young black children killing each other then? Of course I failed to mention the other (quieter) black leaders because I wasn't referring to them. I was specifically focusing on All and Jesse, on purpose, because of their impact. Am I not allowed to because they are "your" leaders? Give me a break. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 915 Registered: 7-2005 |
Mem the same way everyone says that Black people have "made it" and are equal because Oprah and Michael Jordan and such are always visible. Bull. And shouting angrily about white people is exactly what needs to be done. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6160 Registered: 5-2001 |
glock, I'm not even going to try to connect your logic about Oprah and Michael, but I suspect you are criss crossing threads? Yeah, I get it, angrily shouting about white people really solves problems. Very intelligent. Meanwhile black children keep shooting themselves and this defensiveness goes nowhere. | ||
| bklyntonj Citizen Username: Bklyntonj Post Number: 713 Registered: 7-2003 |
Mem, it wasn't sarcasm. I meant every word I said in my last post. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 916 Registered: 7-2005 |
Raising awareness solves problems. And if angry shouting is what's needed then angry shouting is what should be done. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3142 Registered: 5-2004  |
Glock, it seems like you've got the "shouting angrily about white people" part down pat. What else? | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 917 Registered: 7-2005 |
I'm currently trying to stop black people from listening to Faux black entertainment television (BET) BET-Viacom is the devil. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3143 Registered: 5-2004 |
One might argue that is the same thing as "shouting angrily about white people"  | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6161 Registered: 5-2001 |
I am reminded of what a grad school teacher told us once: "You can't ever, no matter what, teach a stupid person to be smart." Sigh.  | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 918 Registered: 7-2005 |
Exactly why I am not getting anywhere with you, mem. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6162 Registered: 5-2001 |
Of course you won't get anywhere with me, it's people like you who perpetuate the problem, mr. little gun. | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1660 Registered: 9-2004 |
I referrred to Jesse and Al because they are very visible and always in the media and have a lot of impact on the AA community, right? mem, LW is correct when he said that there are MORE Black Leaders than the ones who are media seekers (Jackson & Sharpton). One of my old college classmates is married to one, Richard Greene a community activist in Crown Heights. When tensions rose in Crown Heights he was the leader that was called on to calm the situation. He started a charter school and afterschool program to keep our young people from straying into the drug and the violence of the streets. I'm sure there are other AA community leaders and activists that are NOT recognized enough for their efforts. I don't put much emphasis on Jackson or Sharpton. There are more hard working AA leaders & activists out there than these 2 media seekers. | ||
| Greeneyes Citizen Username: Greeneyes Post Number: 797 Registered: 8-2001 |
Cathy, There isn't a sudden escalation in shootings. There is a sudden escalating in reporting. One can only assume why the shootings are suddenly news worthy. The young man who was shot this morning has died. | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1850 Registered: 5-2001 |
Greeneyes,
I was thinking the same thing. As far as stemming the tide of young people making poor decisions, we need more black leaders, and we need more female leaders, and more compassionate male leaders. Sharpton and Jackson aside for a moment,the glorification of the "thug life" is more damaging than one or two leaders can foment or squash. Black and white celebrities are covered by People, Page Six, InTouch, all the celebrity "news" shows, etc. "Bling" is code for a manufactured good life, $500 bottles of Cristal, beauty at all costs, etc. It's good marketing for sure, but it's not making people happy. Actually, creating a desire for perishable and expensive band-aids directly contributes to unhappy and empty lives. I think Oprah Winfrey is a good leader, although I wish she would stop with the diamonds thing - diamond mining exploits children and the poorest of the poor. We're all connected - a child who dies in South Africa or Newark or on the streets of South Orange is still someone's child. The children who die in gang-related deaths aren't saintly by-standers, but instead of blaming the children, we should be trying to stop the vectors that turn them into warriors before they can even vote. | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1576 Registered: 2-2005 |
It IS kind of interesting that "Glock" uses the name he does. Hip-hop tough guy? Or a proud defender of the 2nd Amendment? Regardless... personally, I really don't care what color someone is - a skel is a skel, as my friends on the job might say. If some wannabe gang bangers blow each other away, boo hoo... cry me a river. I'm only concerned with the people getting in the way of the drive-by shootings, quite honestly. A teenage kid out on the street at 3AM on a school night? Obviously the fault of the white man. In fact, let me go further - it's obviously MY fault. I take full responsibility. Bump up my taxes! Let me pay for some 'midnight basketball' or something that will solve the problem. |
