| Author | Message | ||
     tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4403 Registered: 12-2001  |
No, no, no. Liberals need BMWs. They don't need guns. That's the difference. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1508 Registered: 10-2004  |
So Glock according to your statistics the main use for guns is suicide and murder. I think the hand gun, rifle, shotgun breakdown would be appropriate but even without them it seems safe to say that guns are the least useful thing to own. The dangers are far greater when you own a gun then when you do not. | ||
| The Soullful Mr T Citizen Username: Howardt Post Number: 2094 Registered: 11-2004  |
No, no, no. What glock meant was that since cars kill more people than guns do, we shouldn't worry about guns. It's LESS THAN CARS, MAN! | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2062 Registered: 3-2004 |
What a colossal yawn I just had. | ||
| Ligeti Man Meat Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 692 Registered: 7-2002  |
The freezers at Pathmark are loaded with steaks, turkey burgers and jalapeno chicken franks. In Maplewood, we don't really need to hunt as a matter of survival. What we really works me into a snit are the macho shitheads who get all pumped up by simply shooting and killing animals, the high-fiving and hooting when they blow away a moose or a deer or African big game. It's the most un-manly activity I can think off. I've been around hunters. I come from a hunting culture. This kind of hunting is for insecure squirts. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1164 Registered: 7-2005  |
Once again,nice generalization. | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4404 Registered: 12-2001 |
It's the jalapeno chicken franks that really get me smoked. The jalapeno is an endangered small mammal of Mexico and the American insistance of adding jalapeno to everything from salsa to sausage is driving these wonderful animals to extinction. | ||
| Ligeti Man Meat Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 693 Registered: 7-2002 |
Father/son/daughter rights of passage that don't result in dead animals: stamp collecting astronomy baseball yardwork building models hiking music rocketry cleaning books watching planes at the airport birding football military history Collecting and releasing bugs, don't squish them Teach your kids courage without the use of guns. | ||
| Ligeti Man Meat Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 694 Registered: 7-2002 |
PS: I think my last post pretty much sums up our conclusions. Thread closed. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro  Post Number: 3392 Registered: 5-2004  |
Hunting is cruel. ok... I assume everyone has visited a food farm (chicken farm, cattle farm, etc.) and determined that they are managed humanely? Or people are, as tjohn says, vegans? Food farms not only are cruel, but the animals in them never experience the freedom that game animals do. I'm not using that to justify hunting, but it's ridiculous to be against hunting because you think it's cruel to animals, as you buy a frozen chicken or veal steak. BTW, the main use of guns is not murder or suicide. The main deaths from guns are murder and suicide. According to Glock's stats, more people are killed by cars than guns. Granted, cars have amore socially accepted use. But let's not cloud the issue with incorrect information. Reject sweeping generalizations and megalomaniacal posters. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1511 Registered: 10-2004 |
Rastro, the comparison to cars is apples to oranges. There are millions and millions of cars used every day. I reject megalomaniacal posters tho.  | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1167 Registered: 7-2005 |
I only consume free range chicken nuggets. (Chicken nuggets that ran around freely in fields before they were rangled in and killed) | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14770 Registered: 1-2003  |
I can imagine that an animal that lived in the wild and was killed by a hunter for its meat might have lived a better life than an animal on a modern farm had. In that respect, hunting seems like a humane form of killing. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11879 Registered: 5-2001 |
Tom, good point. In addition, hunting is used to control the population of various game animals. Any given area has a limit to how many of a particular species it can support for a healthy population. Hunting helps to control the population and allow the surviving animals to prosper. Anyone who has seen the skinny, almost dwarfed deer around here, especially a couple of years ago, should be able to understand this. A bullet is probably more humane than starving to death. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1170 Registered: 7-2005 |
Or being splattered across the S-curves by an SUV | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 444 Registered: 11-2005  |
Driven by a small "organed", self centered, insecure guy who probably won't even feel the deer go under his huge truck  | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1737 Registered: 10-2005  |
Ligeti- What about fishing? -SLK | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4406 Registered: 12-2001 |
SLK, Ligeti also forgot knitting and any game where everybody is a winner. In Maplewood, we have no losers. | ||
| Peter J. Watts Citizen Username: Peter_watts Post Number: 41 Registered: 3-2006  |
Ligeti - Stamp collecting? Cleaning? Yardwork? Dead animals sound way more interesting. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1171 Registered: 7-2005 |
And loud things that go BOOM and punch holes through other things. | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 448 Registered: 11-2005 |
Here comes the thread drift.... Ligeti also forgot knitting and any game where everybody is a winner. In Maplewood, we have no losers Funny you say that. I think that's one of the biggest problems with our society today. Basically we promote losers, it's terrible. No one wants to be accountable for their own actions, kids are growing up being more and more spoon fed, given everything they have, not earning squat. They grow up thinking they're always going to be right, they know all, of course they're better than the rest, yet they're week. While I don't have a problem with the activities man meat posted, but I wouldn't shelter them from other things just because it may be a little harsh for them. | ||
| Ligeti Man Meat Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 695 Registered: 7-2002 |
S.L.K.20 - Tropical fish tanks? I almost put that one on the list. Approved. | ||
| breal Citizen Username: Breal Post Number: 947 Registered: 6-2002 |
A creature killing another creature for food or clothes or a teepee or a needle made out of bone--well, that's the way of the world. I get that. I'm an omnivore. I wear leather shoes. But do hunters today generally eat or make some other legitimate use of the creatures they kill? I mean, what happens to the deer once you kill it? If entertainment is the only point, well, I think that's . . . disrespectful. I don't even know of what. The dignity of your prey, maybe. You could anger the gods. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3396 Registered: 5-2004 |
Most hunters I know dress the deer they shoot and have a freezer full of venison for the entire season. Nothing like a nice venison steak on the BBQ. You set up a strawman by implying that "entertainment is the only point..." While I'm sure those kinds of hunters do exist, they are not the majority from my experience (in western NY and central/western PA). | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1176 Registered: 7-2005 |
If there were such a thing as gods...then nature would be winning now wouldn't it? | ||
| breal Citizen Username: Breal Post Number: 949 Registered: 6-2002 |
Nature is winning, Glock. | ||
| Montagnard Citizen Username: Montagnard Post Number: 1965 Registered: 6-2003  |
"As usual, you think hunting is about the killing of animals when, in fact, a hunting trip is much more than a reason to kill animals." Nope. It ranks right up there with buying kittens and ripping them apart with pliers. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 14774 Registered: 1-2003 |
If you've ever met someone who doesn't (yet) see the value of something that you value, now you know how you come across. The fact that you don't see the value in it does not mean there is no value. | ||
| James Citizen Username: Gymtagart Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2005 |
Been wondering about this since the thread started. Are we allowed to use a pellet rifle in our back yard for target practice? | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3400 Registered: 5-2004 |
James, I don't think so. Monty, that has to be one of the most ridiculous and inflammatory statements I've ever read on MOL, including Strawberry's posts. | ||
| tjohn Supporter Username: Tjohn Post Number: 4408 Registered: 12-2001 |
Rastro, I found it disturbing. Montagnard apparently has the personal experience with both hunting just for killing and with mutilating kittens or else I am sure he wouldn't be passing judgement on these activities. | ||
| Crazy Guggenheim Citizen Username: Crazyguggenheim Post Number: 896 Registered: 2-2002  |
Call me crazy, but when I aim my BB gun at raccoons and squirrels who are up in my oak trees, I make sure that there are no children or houses in the background. Sometimes I lean right out my window and I aim for that pesky woodpecker who thinks pecking my house is what he should be doing. I've yet to have a chance at making woodpecker soup, but I have a few fanciful raccoon hats and squirrel meat is still as good today as it was in Huck Finn's time. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11889 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think that you even need a license in NJ for a pellet gun. A guy I used to work with had to get a license for one to use to control the squirrels on his estate in Basking Ridge. This was years ago, but knowing NJ I doubt the law has become more liberal. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2482 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yes BB / Pellet guns are consitered Firearms in NJ and you need a license. If you are cought with one, you face the same penalties as a shotgun. | ||
| Ligeti Man Meat Citizen Username: Ligeti Post Number: 700 Registered: 7-2002 |
Target shooting is a demonstration of skill. What I'm trying to get a fix on is what goes through a man's head when he shoots an animal for sport. What is the sensation? Elation? Triumph? Pathetic. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3401 Registered: 5-2004 |
If you don't know, how can you pass judgement? reject people who post the same thing over and over just to see their icon on screen. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1742 Registered: 10-2005 |
Rastro- Be careful my friend or PETA will be at your doorstep.  I am not into hunting but I did grow up in upstate NY and knew many people who did hunt. They did it for the sport but more importantly to put food on the table. Compared to the crappy meat selections in our our local supermarkets, what is wrong with that? It is easy to buy it. Maybe one day Ligeti will stop walking on water and swim with the rest of us... -SLK | ||
| Paper Bag Bandit Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1184 Registered: 7-2005 |
You don't need a lisence or permit if it is still considered an airsoft gun. Those are LOTS of fun. | ||
| Montagnard Citizen Username: Montagnard Post Number: 1966 Registered: 6-2003 |
Perhaps I was mistaken. Hunting is more like buying a kitten, letting it loose in your house, stalking it with a pair of barbecue tongs, then ripping it apart with pliers. Apparently it adds to the experience if you drink a few beers before you pick up the tongs. | ||
| Paper Bag Bandit Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1193 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hunting is nothing like that. The kitten pretty much can't get away. And hunting is outdoors. So um. Where is the comparison again? Oh and hunting uses guns or bows |
