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     Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 1432 Registered: 2-2006  |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/28/gibson.dui/index.html Well maybe it was the Mass wine... | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 295 Registered: 4-2006  |
This isn't the first time for him, is it? If I remember correctly, he had a DUI a number of years ago. | ||
| Geri Fletcher Citizen Username: Gerif Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2005 |
yeah i think so and it was one of those situations where his wife told him to shape up or ship out | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 300 Registered: 4-2006 |
Guess he doesn't have to listen to her since she's going to hell anyway. http://atheism.about.com/b/a/064873.htm | ||
| Geri Fletcher Citizen Username: Gerif Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2005 |
from the link from Combustion: "One bead short of a rosary" - hee hee | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 215 Registered: 11-2005  |
The Sunday Times July 30, 2006 Mel Gibson rants against Jews in drink-drive arrest John Harlow MEL GIBSON, the Oscar-winning Hollywood actor, apologised last night for his “despicable” anti-semitic rant when he was arrested on a drink-driving charge in Los Angeles. Gibson, 50, is alleged to have tried to escape when he was pulled over on the Pacific Coast highway near his Malibu home in the early hours of Friday morning and then launched into a barrage of anti-semitic curses against the arresting sheriffs. Police have confirmed the actor and director, who rose to fame by playing characters such as Mad Max and a mentally unstable policeman in the Lethal Weapon series, was found to have a blood- alcohol level of 0.12%, above the 0.08% Californian limit. He was charged with drink-driving and released on $5,000 (£2,600) bail. In a statement issued by Alan Nierob, his spokesman, Gibson did not detail what happened but said: “I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said.” The star added: “I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse.” Nierob refused to comment on reports that after Gibson was stopped for driving at 87mph in a 45mph zone on the notoriously dangerous road he sat at the wheel of his Lexus LS 430 and repeatedly said: “My life is f*****.” According to police records, Gibson, a strict Catholic, then launched into an anti-semitic tirade, referring to “f****** Jews” and stating that “the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world”. He also repeatedly insulted the police officers, addressing one female sergeant as “sugar tits”. If true, the anti-semitic remarks are likely to cause a storm in Hollywood where many of the industry leaders are Jewish. This is not the first time the actor has confronted allegations of anti-semitism. Gibson faced similar accusations when making his most successful movie, The Passion Of the Christ, whose dialogue is in Aramaic. The subtitle to one line, spoken by a Jewish priest, about Christ’s blood being “on us and our children” was removed to placate his critics. There is also a family history. Gibson’s father Hutton has been branded a Holocaust denier for claiming the extermination of 6m Jews is largely a myth and that many of the supposed victims had moved to Brooklyn. The actor has admitted “atrocities” were committed during the second world war but has stopped short of criticising his 87-year-old father, who is also a devout Catholic. Gibson also has a history of trouble with alcohol. He admitted he nearly missed the audition for his breakthrough film, Mad Max, because he got into a drunken bar fight the night before. “When I turned up on set without the scars two weeks later they did not recognise me,” he recalled. In 1991 he joined a Malibu chapter of Alcoholics Anonymous, where he accepted the help of female mentors to give up his beer habit, but has admitted it has been a “battle every day which only my wife can help me win”. And I should spend my money to support him and his movies...I think not! | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23721 Registered: 6-2001  |
Spagonst, can you please provide a reference to this article? | ||
| Newstead Citizen Username: Newstead77 Post Number: 57 Registered: 9-2004 |
I picked up similar postings at the Drudge Report which links to other news sources. | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 217 Registered: 11-2005 |
2087-2292336%2C00.html,http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2292336,00.h tml http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2251876 http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/29/mel-gibson-case-an-outrage/ Need More??? Just google "Mel Gibson" news! | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23724 Registered: 6-2001 |
Okay, ya got me. Thanks for sourcing an article on the first try. * Edited to add: I am no Mel Gibson fan, never saw the movie and don't care to now. I'm glad his image has to slum with the real people in life. Not that I've ever had a DUI, but he is so...feeling Holy or something. But he's human! OMG!! | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 318 Registered: 4-2006 |
"sugar tits" I don't even know what to say. I've been pretty drunk, but I think it'd have to be a LOT higher than a .12% for me to be insulting a police officer. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23734 Registered: 6-2001 |
Mel Gibson is an •••. Everyone kisses it and he's used to that. People are the chameleons of the animal world; they adapt to their surroundings. Did I say Mel Gibson is a formerly talented •••-hat? I also apologize for questioning the validity of FSM's article. I automatically link any article I post and wish everyone else would take the time to do the same. It makes everyone's life easier - since you're posting the article you've already got the URL, right? | ||
| eliz Supporter Username: Eliz Post Number: 1617 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think it's a little beyond calling a cop sugar tits. He went on a full fledged anti-semitic tirade. Read the TMZ link. The Malibu pd decided to sanitize the original police report and kept the really ugly one for their records. Apparently the whole nasty episode is on audiotape and part of it on videotape. Expect to see a remorseful Mel making the rounds of talk shows doing a mea culpa after the obligatory 4 weeks of rehab. Sickening. | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6769 Registered: 12-2001  |
Mel Gibson screwed up. About as big as you can. But to his credit at least he was immediate in apologizing about his behavior and used words that were in no way vague. How long did it take for our VP even to admit he shot someone in the face?? This is by no means an excuse for some pretty •••••• language on Mel's part, but unlike so many others, he apologized and did it immediately. Unless you are an alcoholic and fought that fight, you cannot know what a slip like that does to you phyiscally and emotionally. So, while not defending him, I understand what happened and hope he gets himself sober. Not just dry. There is such a HUGE difference and many people don't understand it. Hollywood is full of Dry drunks, and some sober people. Having gone to a number of AA meetings in NYC I have seen celebs who were both. The difference is really quite astounding. Again, I think what he said is hideous. Period. But does anyone remember the interview that Robert Downey gave on the Today show the last time he came out of rehab? I do. and I remember saying to my wife...hes just dry, he is not clean...and soon enough Downey was in rehab again. It sucks for all involved. | ||
| Buttercup Citizen Username: Buttercup Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2005  |
Too bad such a gorgeous man with such a stellar Hollywood career had to soil his reputation so wretchedly in the past few years. | ||
| thegoodsgt Citizen Username: Thegoodsgt Post Number: 1028 Registered: 2-2002  |
Gibson is just one of many celebrities (and non-celebrities) who makes mistakes, even big ones, proving that they're human like the rest of us. In time it will all be forgotten. | ||
| mlj Citizen Username: Mlj Post Number: 346 Registered: 6-2001 |
Duncan, what is a dry drunk as opposed to a sober person? (not to change the subject but might some people consider GWB to be a dry drunk, for example?) | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 845 Registered: 8-2005 |
Duncan, what did Robert Downey say that indicated he was dry, not sober? Just curious. Is it an attitude or something he specifically said? I'm assuming dry means in between binges and sober means cured? | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6773 Registered: 12-2001 |
Well scully, an alcoholic is never "cured". There is always the spectre of a relapse, much like certain cancers 20 years ago. One wasn't cured of cancer, they were in remission. A sober person recognizes the risk of relapse and has to live "One Day at a Time". So for the rest of my life I make a conscious or subconcious decision not to take a drink. As the saying goes, One is too many and a thousand is not enough. The difference between a dry drinker and a sober one is that the sober drinker has changed his/her whole way of thinking about drinking and incorporated the sober mind as well. While the "dry" drinker will say they are sober, however, all the while in the back of their head they don't believe it. For me, I know I will never touch another drink as long as I live. What I screwed up while being a drunk (despite some fun mixed in there) is not worth the wonderful things that have happened since. I still have a friend in Boston to whom I speak when times get rough. My original sponsor. The dry person will not drink for a while but has not created a life style change and perhaps more importantly, not created a psychological change as well. {Here is a more articulate definition of the "dry drunk" As to Robert Downey...it was both what he said and, more importantly, how he said it. And as a drunk you know one when you see one. I think he is one hell of a talented guy, but as he sat there speaking to, I think it was 'Katie', I remember vividly saying to my wife, that poor guy may be dry, but he isn't sober. He didn't say anything as forthright as Gibson's manager did. He hedged on the whole "will you use again" line of questioning often answering with something like "I have finished rehab and I feel great. I can't wait to get back to work" He didn't come out and say "No, I won't." Because really that is the only answer. It's like the job interview question to a reference of an applicant "Would you hire this person again?"...where anything other than a "yes" is a no. Its part genetic, part tolerance but it is not a choice...being a drunk. It is not an issue of self control. Thats bull hockey. And anyone who says otherwise is full of it. When I hear people who claim to be sober say it is simply a matter of will, I am usually right in thinking they are "dry drunks" cause they have not accepted the fact that this is as much a disease as any other. And while it cannot be treated by a physician (at least until recently) it needs attention by professionals or others like them. And as someone who has quit everything there is to quit, I can say that getting sober both in mind and body, led to my getting clean as well. Now my only vice is chocolate. So I put on a few pounds when I quit the last thing I quit (smoking) I wouldn't trade those pounds for that previous lifestyle. Some people can drink, others can't, and then some like me did it way to well. I am used to people mocking it. I went to dinner in the city one night with a group of my mother's friends, all of the "cocktail hour" generation. When all the others in the group had ordered their cocktails, martini's, scotch and soda, what have you, the waiter got to me and I said "Soda water with Lime". The waiter actually said to me "whats the matter cant drink with the pros?". That waiter lost his job when my mother fipped on him and went to the manager. Me, I was deeply offended and wanted to just slug the guy, but that isn't any way to resolve it. I still hear it (15 years sober) at networking events from exec's in their late 20's early 30's and all I say is that it is the single best decision I ever made, next to marrying my wife. If they pursue it, then I walk away and find someone else to talk to. sorry for the ramble. It is an issue close to my heart and head. Been to hell and back, and quite frankly am lucky to be alive. Everyday, no matter how stressful, I am thankful that I am clean and sober the minute I set my eyes on my wife and child when I wake up. carry on.  | ||
| Eric Wertheim Citizen Username: Bub Post Number: 231 Registered: 1-2005 |
We ought not confuse the alcoholism with Mel's other ism. The former is a serious, sad problem for many people. No jokes from me about that. As for his stellar career, he's made some very good movies but he's also a Hollywood whore. Unlike some truly honorable and discriminating actors, he's always been willing to take a fat paycheck (from "the Jews") for any ultra-violent, amoral trash that comes down the pike. As for "his" immediate apology, what star these days does not have a full-time savvy PR person crafting supposedly heart-felt statements to protect the franchise? Do you think he sat up late anguishing over his words with tears dripping on the page? NOT. | ||
| frannyfree Citizen Username: Frannyfree Post Number: 217 Registered: 1-2004 |
The speed of an apology does not reflect sincerity. All it may mean is that he knows he is in BIG trouble. | ||
| thegoodsgt Citizen Username: Thegoodsgt Post Number: 1030 Registered: 2-2002 |
How does one determine the sincerity of an apology, be it from a celebrity, a politician, a spouse, or one's child? | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater  Post Number: 2373 Registered: 10-2004 |
I think the antisemitism is the story here, not the drunk driving. When drunk people lose their inhibitions. I guess Mel deep down inside truly is an antisemite. Like we needed more evidence of that. D-bag! | ||
| Eric Wertheim Citizen Username: Bub Post Number: 232 Registered: 1-2005 |
You determine the sincerity of an apology just like you judge other things - context, background, circumstances. What do you mean by an apology, anyway - Being sorry that you blurted out your offensive opinion (yup), or being sorry that you said something offensive which does not reflect your real feelings (nah). | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 1449 Registered: 2-2006 |
None of you have every said anything mean or stupid while drunk?? None of you have ever made a royal arse out of yourself (sober or drunk). I am not a Mel Gibson fan as I have a problem with all people that become fanatics about religion but what is with the jumping on the band wagon and kicking the guy when he is down? May I borrow a sentences from one of the books that I believe have caused more slaughter then anything else: Let one person among you, who is completely without sin in mind or deed, throw the first stone. | ||
| PrettyPrincess Citizen Username: Prettyprincess Post Number: 79 Registered: 6-2006  |
go to www.tmz.com they did a pretty good job of reporting the specifics of what went down on Friday night. | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6781 Registered: 12-2001 |
Eric, No, I dont expect that Mel was up all night drowning in his tears. However, unlike other people in show business or worse Politics he and his "handlers" did the right thing. As I said that does not excuse his behavior at all, but there are plenty of celebs whose managers wouldn't even say anything. Witness the whole Lindsey Lohan bruhaha. Nothing. With Morgan Creek setting up a massive lawsuit, she and or her agent have said nothing. Are the circumstances similar, not really, but regret may lead to redemption. Clearly you have decided as it pertains to Gibson based on your assessment of his films.
To that I can only say have you seen Braveheart? | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6782 Registered: 12-2001 |
Is all this ••••••••? My guess is that if his manager wrote out a statement it would have been much more concise. This looks, to me, like a personal apology. I don't know. But if he is an alcoholic and relapsed, he should be thankful that the sherrif's saved him from himself. Hitting bottom sucks. Based on the article the first thing he said was that HE was f'ed" and that is what many a relapsing recoverer would say if caught. I dare say, unless you have been there yourself, that the shame, mixed with fear, and a sense of entitlement is a volatile mixture. It sucks all around. | ||
| Stevef Citizen Username: Stevef Post Number: 216 Registered: 5-2005  |
$850 million is a bottom I'd like to hit | ||
| Eric Wertheim Citizen Username: Bub Post Number: 233 Registered: 1-2005 |
I don't have anything to say, joking or otherwise, about his or anyone's alcoholism. I am very skeptical about folding the Jew stuff into the alcoholism, as if the former is just a symptom of the latter. There is a history with this guy on the subject. I have more confidence in the sincerity of his drunken outburst than I do in his sober save-my-career apology. | ||
| frannyfree Citizen Username: Frannyfree Post Number: 219 Registered: 1-2004 |
Me too | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 2384 Registered: 10-2004 |
Bajou, it's a sad day when we say it's ok to be a racist. Defend him all you want, it's your prerogative. But I have said MANY stupid things while I was drunk, much of it that I was forced to be accountable for the next day. Haven't most of us? Also, judging the famous....? I'd call that fair game. It comes with the territory of that thing that is called fame. Awwww poor rich dude is getting judged by the masses. Am I supposed to have sympathy for that? The guy could drop out of the limelight and try his hardest to NOT be famous. I don't see it happening therefore, I restate -- comes with the territory. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 2003 Registered: 7-2004  |
I don't get it. What did Mel say that was wrong? | ||
| Lord Pabulum Citizen Username: Lord_pabulum Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2006  |
...and when is the anti mel gibson rally | ||
| Buttercup Citizen Username: Buttercup Post Number: 80 Registered: 12-2005 |
The question is: what didn't he say. He needs to have his foot surgically removed from his mouth. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 2004 Registered: 7-2004 |
Probably the police are framing him with the help of the Jewish controlled media. They heard that the Passion of the Christ 2: Electric Boogaloo was beginning production and needed to put a stop to it. | ||
| I'm Only Sleeping Citizen Username: Imonlysleeping Post Number: 207 Registered: 8-2005 |
Duncan, you can be absolutely certain Alan Neirob went over every word of that statement very carefully. Whether Mel wrote it or not, it was clearly crafted and released to do (badly needed) damage control. Otherwise, why release it publically? Why not just apologize to the cops involved? Bajou, being drunk is hardly an excuse for being a bigot. People aren't upseet because he did something stupid when he was drunk. It's the NATURE of the stupid thing. Yes, I've been drunk and done dumb things, but I've never said anything racist, because, well, I'm not racist. Obviously Mel is. | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 849 Registered: 8-2005 |
MAYOR !!!!!! (you're kidding, right?) | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6786 Registered: 12-2001 |
Well it was released publicly I'm Only, for this reason. Because celebrity is the fodder for a lot of talk. Look at the Tom/Kat crap we have been innundated with, and the Brangelina junk. There are millions of people who have heard the cops story, told to the press and thus made a national topic of news, so simply apologizing to the cops, while perhaps the more honest way to go, wouldn't have satisfied "the masses". Good lord if I see one more article about the existance of Suri Cruise complete with overhead photos of the colorado estate showing on the porch a stroller and wondering why Katie GASP would dare take a walk without her precious daughter...The world wants to know. Also, let's not generalize about fame. Most actors, certainly Mel at the start, do not want to be "famous". those folks end up in dead end jobs frustrated and cynical (more often than not) some do start out with that desire and achieve it and it either empowers them or destroys them. Most actors want to act. Fame and celebrity are a result of, in the case of film actors, the studio driven publicity machine. Johnny Depp is a celebrity but has said from the beginning that it is about the work or I won't talk about it. Now for some that is an easier choice than others. I am an actor, and I am neither famous nor a celebrity but I pursue my dream every day. And that dream is to work in a profession where on any given day 85 percent of my union is unemployed. As a filmmaker I want to make movies. Ultimately I would like to make movies that a lot of people see because I believe in the power of the scripts I have and the power of film and theater to touch people. If one of the films took off would I become "famous", perhaps, but doubtful, would I become a celebrity. Not in our lifetimes. Again, I am not defending what he said. and I am sure Neirob had something to do with the apology. Damage control is necessary for the reason stated above, but this is a culture that thrives on celebrity. We watch seeming "average" people win Survivor and they are doomed. It is their 15 minutes of fame. The hardworking people above the line generally just want to work. For every Mel Gibson there are thousands of actors who are happy to take a check home at all. Like I said, it sucks for everyone. The offended, the offender and now most of the American public who cannot reasonably avoid seeing it, hearing it, discussing it and forming opinions of it. I only wish the press were as diligent with the White House and Congress and got the same amount of tabloid ink. This whole mess just makes me glad I don't drink anymore. And I have the sneaking suspicion that there isn't a person alive who doesn't harbor some sort of racist, or semitic feelings and either lives with them or stuffs them deep into their psyche. Just my 2 cents. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 2005 Registered: 7-2004 |
Scully, kidding about what? Is anyone really offended by this? Why would anyone care what Mel Gibson thinks? I can't imagine anyone actually caring about this. (Well, other than the DUI thing, that's not good.) |
