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     Dave Supporter Username: Dave  Post Number: 10512 Registered: 4-1997  |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/index.html | ||
| Pippi Supporter Username: Pippi Post Number: 2769 Registered: 8-2003  |
I read that. And I couldn't help but think: Law enforcement is STILL expending energy and resources on this????!!!!! Gimme a break!!! | ||
| eliz Supporter Username: Eliz Post Number: 1683 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'm shocked you say that Pippi. This murder not only took the life of an innocent child but cast her poor parents under the most unimaginable suspicion. Her mother died recently never knowing what happened. I hope there can be some peace for the rest of the family. | ||
| george H Citizen Username: Georgieboy Post Number: 303 Registered: 8-2005 |
Empathy Pippi,empathy. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9034 Registered: 5-2001  |
That was an imposter who has taken over her computer (or hormones). That was very un-Piplike. I don't know that there will ever be peace for the family. Closure is elusive and overrated. But, who knows how many other victims there are and maybe this will save some other kids somewhere in the world. | ||
| Pippi Supporter Username: Pippi Post Number: 2771 Registered: 8-2003 |
Yes, you are both correct, I should be more empathetic and her parents deserve closure and peace (they were cleared of any wrong-doing, so that's not an issue). If it were me I know I'd want peace and I'd never want the case to be closed. But: Are all unsolved murder cases kept open more than 10 years ? Why has this case been kept alive? Why is this news? | ||
| Pippi Supporter Username: Pippi Post Number: 2772 Registered: 8-2003 |
thank you GT - I must be possessed by the baby in my belly. also, sometime I like playing devil's advocate and stirring the pot every now and then. not very charitable, I know. | ||
| eliz Supporter Username: Eliz Post Number: 1685 Registered: 5-2001 |
Because not all murders are easily solvable and if we are to have any sense of law and order we cannot just give up. Whether her parents were technically cleared of any wrongdoing the shadow of suspicion never went away. During their darkest hours they had to live with the knowledge that people thought they did this heinous thing and the while the investigation was focused on them the killer was out there. | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 1558 Registered: 2-2006  |
Hi Pippi: This is a very important case and it would be vital to the judicial system to keep this case open until it is truly solved. A 6 year old girl was killed in a most horrific fashion. Within hours of the discovery of her body the parents and brother were treated as the main suspects. They were never officially cleared of any wrong doing but it was stated that there is not enough evidence to charge either of them. The parents had to move several times and once people realized who they were they didn't associate with them. The brother of the victim went through hell growing up as another common theory was that he did it and his parents covered for him. Nobody wanted their kid to become friends with the Bennett boy...just in case. Patsy Ramsey died of Ovarian cancer in June and how sad it must be that they couldn't solve the case before she passed. YOU WROTE: Are all unsolved murder cases kept open more than 10 years. Why has this case been kept alive? Why is this news? Answer: Yes they are. Murder has not statute of limitation in most jurisdictions. Because there is a killer still free and a family of a victim out there with no closure. Because this event was big news once and it seems the person they are suspecting has had a history of pedophelia and the fact that they caught him in the pedophile haven of the world is a clue too. Plus many times when one unsolved murder is solved it usually isn't the only one the person commited. So finding the Joan Bennett killer might also help in finding the Judy Smith (just made that name up) killer. The fact that this man at 31 was capable of brutaly beating and strangeling a six year old and now he lives in Thailand were nobody really gives a poop about the hundreds of thousands little ones that regularly, and yes daily get pimped out to gross old guys who take advantage of a government that looks away to make a buck. If he is guilty and gets convicted then there are probably 100 kids he won't abuse in the next few years. However the big lesson is to not judge until proven guilty which goes for this guy too. | ||
| anotherkittie Citizen Username: Anotherkittie Post Number: 119 Registered: 4-2006 |
Pippi, When your child is born, you will rethink your initial response. | ||
| Kibbegirl Citizen Username: Kibbegirl Post Number: 705 Registered: 5-2003 |
It's extremely shameful that after all of these years, no one has been caught or even in police radar until now. They messed this case up extensively by just focusing on the parent(s) and not letting go of that theory. How many investigators resigned in disgust by the way this was handled? Patty Ramsey is dead and gone and NOW a lead is found. May she rest in peace. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3893 Registered: 3-2004  |
Pippi wrote out of frustration. My experience is that the Message Board participants get high-handed awfully easily. Pippi seems to be a really great person, and I think some people should tone down their reactions to a statement borne of frustration. This thread was about JonBenet Ramsay. At least they have a suspect. He hasn't been tried yet, except now, in the press, he's being tried, put up as the real deal culprit. I like courts, juries, the judicial process. What ever happened to it? What happened to democracy? What happened to civility? | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5947 Registered: 1-2004  |
Even more shocking the person arrested is a Second Grade Teacher! Pippi in this case it's a good thing the police quietly continued the investigation. So many people believed John and Pastly killed their daughter. It's too bad Pasty died before the guilty party was arrested. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5948 Registered: 1-2004 |
From then news accounts it appears as if this scum pretty much confessed. Why else would he volunteer information to the police about the crime only the murderer would know? I hope they sting him up and torture him the same way he tortured little Jon Bennett. Scum like him deserve everything they get. Better off, throw him in a jail cell with some lifers. They'll take care of him. | ||
| Pippi Supporter Username: Pippi Post Number: 2773 Registered: 8-2003 |
ok ok I am sufficiently chastened. I'll crawl back under the rock from which I came (y0u are all right, of course) | ||
| Pippi Supporter Username: Pippi Post Number: 2774 Registered: 8-2003 |
tulip - I have you snowed, too?  | ||
| melicious Citizen Username: Melicious Post Number: 713 Registered: 6-2002  |
The suspect sounds so very creepy, too. Those cases (Polly Klaas, Jon Benet) are the most upsetting to me, having young girls. I'm tired of the case, too, but glad they got someone who might be connected with it. [I do wish they would pick up some of the adult cases that don't get as much press because the victims aren't as young or cute or otherwise pressworthy. With that said, I'm for anyone solving any murder case ] | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5951 Registered: 1-2004 |
Pippi- Please don't crawl under a rock. You might hurt yourself. Nobody's mad at you! | ||
| red Citizen Username: Redy67 Post Number: 6851 Registered: 2-2003  |
I have got to say that was the nicest bunch of MOLers ganging up on someone  | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5535 Registered: 5-2001 |
I for one was always convinced the parents did it. If this really is the guy, there are going to be a lot of people that actually knew them who are going to be seriously chastened. Hopefully, it will be an opportunity for them to mend some bridges with the remaining family so they can have a real life again. | ||
| Soparents Supporter Username: Soparents Post Number: 2688 Registered: 5-2005  |
"John Ramsey, JonBenet’s father, said: “The investigation of the individual arrested in connection with JonBenet’s death was discussed with Patsy and me by the Boulder district attorney’s office prior to Patsy’s death in June." I am glad that Patsy Ramsey may have had some comfort in her last few days that her babys killer would finally be brought to justice. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 894 Registered: 1-2006 |
The only fact is that someone was arrested. Speculation is not fact. jd | ||
| Calliope Citizen Username: Calliope Post Number: 962 Registered: 3-2006  |
I'm glad that an arrest was made, and I leave it to our judicial system to dispatch him. What distresses is me is that JonBenet, the little beauty queen, and Polly Klaas,with that sweet haunting smile, were little girls who captivated the media. I still remember---although her name eludes me(and there's a comment in itself)---a little girl who was brutally killed in the projects in Chicago. She was around the same age, and it was around the same time of year,as the JonBenet tragedy. This little girl had everything in common with JonBenet, except her economic status and her race. If her killer ever comes to justice,I would be surprised, and I will probably never know, because I doubt it will make the news in New Jersey. Just my observation. Calli | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 933 Registered: 8-2005 |
Tulip: 'What happened to democracy?' You're asking that question two elections too late... | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1770 Registered: 7-2005  |
My question is...If it was a little black girl...would we have heard about it? Forget that. Even if we heard about it...would anyone here really care? | ||
| fiche Citizen Username: Fiche Post Number: 234 Registered: 3-2002 |
Glock: That is a good and valid question. My belief is that if the black child were beautiful or wealthy (both the true in the Ramsey case), the same type of coverage and interest would prevail. A poor child or an plain child would not get the same recognition, regardless of race, ethnic origin, etc. Sad, but I think, true. | ||
| sk8mom Citizen Username: Sk8mom Post Number: 455 Registered: 11-2003 |
A DNA sample was recovered from the victim's panties. It did not match anyone tested in connection with the case, or anyone in the national database. A new sample could come in any time that proves a match (a lot of states have laws that existing and incoming inmates be swabbed). Maybe this guy matches and it hasn't been disclosed yet. Also, to say a case is "open" means it's unsolved, not that a great deal of resources are still being devoted to it. The sample recovered from the victim is in the database and being run all the time against new samples. Shouldn't cost much. | ||
| campbell29 Citizen Username: Campbell29 Post Number: 539 Registered: 4-2002 |
I too, always thought that one of the parents was the murderer and that the other one covered up for the guilty one. As to why one would confess to committing a horrible crime - I just finished reading "A Murder in Belmont" which is about the Boston Strangler. Apparently the murderer, who was arrested and began confessing was only able to get some of the details correct, and mostly those that he could research on his own. Of course, nobody believed that anyone would confess to a serial killing, but there were some doubts, and the murderer died well before there would be any DNA evidence technology. It would be interesting to see if the DNA evidence matches | ||
| Bajou Citizen Username: Bajou Post Number: 1561 Registered: 2-2006 |
Oh Pipi I didn't mean to sound harsch and I apologize if I did. You ae a great girl and I have always enjoyed your company. To the case and to Joel: The "gentleman" has not only confessed to some aspects of the crime but given information about the murder that was never released, not even to the family. The fact that he is hiding out in Thailand does say alot too and he was implicated in another case but you are right it does not make him guilty. DNA testing should do the trick if he acted alone. Considering his age at the time of the murder his pedophilia has taken a violent turn quiet early in his life as most murdering pedophiles try for ages to get their kick by bribing and intimidating actual victims but usually are much older before they resort to murder. That fact is very disturbing. I agree with you Glock, it is unfortunately the case that minority (not just black) victims (children or adults) tend to get less media exposure. My other great worry is that if he is the killer then there might be several children in Thailand who share Joan Bennetts faith and nobody would ever bother looking. I really think that the international community needs to crack down and pressure Thailand to start protecting their youngest citizens from this disgusting and horrific but unfortunately mayor toursim draw of child prostitution. After the Tsunami orphaned children were abducted left and right even right from under the noses of the red cross rescue workers and it is feared that many have been enslaved as live in sex slaves and even shipped out of the country. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5955 Registered: 1-2004 |
Okay now I'm not sure what I believe. I saw the interview between Barbara Walters and John Ramsey last night on Nightline (John was on the phone). Barbara Walters ask John Ramsey if the family knew the suspect and he said "NO!" The story is one of the stories on AOL's main welcome this morning. In the article is this: >>>"The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect. Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr. But JonBenet was born in Atlanta in 1990, and the Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody, about 30 miles (50 kilometers) northeast of Conyers, for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991."<<< So did they know him or not? | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5956 Registered: 1-2004 |
Joel- He pretty much "confessed." here is one of his quotes: John Mark Karr , 41, said he was with the girl in her family's basement when she died and that her death was an accident. "I was with JonBenet when she died," Karr told reporters in Bangkok on Thursday, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke after a news conference by Thai and U.S. authorities. "Her death was an accident." | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 936 Registered: 8-2005 |
But how did their child get to be alone in their own basement with her teacher (!) without them knowing? He shoud have been mentioned from the very beginning! | ||
| melicious Citizen Username: Melicious Post Number: 715 Registered: 6-2002 |
Oh, he just meant to rape and beat her? I could see how her death would be "an accident."  What a comment. Glock - that was exactly my point about being otherwise "pressworthy." There was a murder case out in California of a poor, not-as-attractive (I say that with all due respect, please understand my point) 9-year-old Latina. Did you ever hear about it? Probably not. Do we all know her name? Nope. | ||
| red Citizen Username: Redy67 Post Number: 6852 Registered: 2-2003 |
What a horrible comment! It is awful that Patsy Ramsey died before she knew her family was vindicated. I am sure there are a lot of people who thought they were guilty. | ||
| John James Leuchs Jr Citizen Username: Clairvoyant Post Number: 131 Registered: 8-2005 |
Thank God for DNA! So many people have been put on death row and convicted only to later be found out to be innocent, sometimes after they have been executed. The pressure is on the police and prosecutors to find the culprit and, too often, evidence is tampered with and exhibited in a way to show the guilt of someone they are accusing. Tnere are even false confessions. Usually the falsely accused are minorities and/or poor people who have little defense. Texas is the worst state for this but errors have been made in many states. The system is very flawed! I teach law to my Enrichment students and we discuss this each year. Also, bright jurors are often more biased than jurors of average intelligence. They often overthink the evidence, draw conclusions prematurely, and ignore the judges instructions. The best jurors are usually people who have a high school education only. I always thought that the parents did it also, but I feel more confidence now that they have the right person. Hopefully, the DNA will put this case to rest. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 1773 Registered: 7-2005 |
I think they are. I also think that arresting anyone but the parents is beating around the bush. | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 2098 Registered: 2-2005  |
If the dude is a pedophile, then Thailand - the Las Vegas of the sex trade - is the most logical place for him to hang out. | ||
| Nancy - LibraryLady Supporter Username: Librarylady Post Number: 3805 Registered: 5-2001  |
Something about this arrest doesn't seem kosher. There have been lots of incidents of false confessions. I am probably gonna be proved wrong, but I think this won't pan out. | ||
| melicious Citizen Username: Melicious Post Number: 716 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wow, the jury insight is really interesting, JJL. I'd never heard that. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6594 Registered: 5-2001  |
I'm with LL - something is not right with this... |
