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     Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2048 Registered: 7-2004  |
SLK claims he was in need of HELP! How so? I'd wager he was too lazy to get a stroller or snap-n-go out of the trunk, load his infant into it, have his toddler hold the stroller through the parking lot, then load them all back, strap them back in, refold the stroller, etc. Many people do that all that time. It is not hard. You are not infirmed (are you...maybe that's why your not serving??) I don't buy that a perfectly able man NEEDED HELP so badly. Just laziness. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1970 Registered: 10-2005  |
Alley-nothing special about it (I did need a pair of suit pants for my son's christening the next day though)...just doing my Saturday routine... RL- As always you are too predictable and always seem to be the one and only individual who has a problem with me, reagrdless the topic. But i am sure it is nothing personal or has anything do with my politics.  But in case you must know, I rarely ever use a stroller, even in much larger parking lots (Home Depot, Pathmark, Whole Foods, etc.) when running errands. i usually load the kids up in a shopping cart, like MOST parents do. Which goes to show, you are probably not a parent and no nothing about raising children so keep quiet. -SLK BTW, rumor has it you don't even live in Maplewood so why do you even bother getting involved in its affairs? | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2052 Registered: 7-2004 |
Again, I ask you, how was it that you NEEDED HELP? Are you infirmed? Feeble? Lame? Injured? Or are you an able-bodied grown man? Surely you're capable of managing an infant and a toddler (baby Bjorn? backpack? nothing???) as well as some dry cleaning. I know many people capable of this with three-plus kids. They don't NEED HELP! I suggest you reserve the ALL CAPS NEED HELP line for something serious. Sounds to me like you're just making excuses for being a lazy dad. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1974 Registered: 10-2005 |
RL, give it up, I am no longer taking your bait. It is apparent why many posters understood why I did what I did and you don't. Have some children and get back to me. Just make sure you raise them less narrow-minded and hateful than yourself. -SLK And PLEASE take me up on my offer and snatch one of my kids in front of me...PLEASE?  | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2053 Registered: 7-2004 |
"And PLEASE take me up on my offer and snatch one of my kids in front of me...PLEASE?" What in God's name are you even talking about? I take it from your non-answer of all my questions in prior post that I am correct about you. | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 795 Registered: 11-2005  |
Call me lazy but I'm not going back 4 pages so lets see if I'm right. SLK went into the cleaners while leaving his kids in a car, he gets mad that someone called the police, comes here to vent. No sympahy fom me my man, There's NO excuse for leaving children unattended in a vehicle other than pure lazyness. There has been countless times where I needed to exit my car-if only for a few minutes-but still I went throught the trouble of undoing a child seat and bringing her along. If you have already failed in your obligation to (at least in this moment) to keep your kids safe then why should a third party give you or anyone the benefit of the doubt in thinking that bringing it to their attention would be helpful? I'm thinking I would've called the police and waited for them to get there so I could step up and say yes, I'm the one who called please give this person a summons. SLK, did you get a ticket? Did the person eventually confront you? Did you get scolded by the cops? Do you really think it was ok to leave kids in an unattended car? | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1975 Registered: 10-2005 |
As the originator of this thread, I am now officially declaring it dead, thanks to RL. How can anyone have a dialogue with someone that can't even read between the lines? It must be all that binge drinking and kinky sex you have on the weekends. Adieu! -SLK | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1976 Registered: 10-2005 |
K-Soze- A little too late hon, but thanks for your input. It is apparent you do need to start from the beginning since you are jumping to conclusions. Happy reading! -SLK FIN | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2055 Registered: 7-2004 |
"It must be all that binge drinking and kinky sex you have on the weekends." Dude, you're wearing your jealousy on your sleeve again. Maybe it's all the sexual repression you right-wingers have that makes you so angry (how's THAT for reading between the lines). But since you're done with this thread, I think we've all deduced it's laziness, pure and simple, that made you disregard the safety of your children. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2362 Registered: 3-2004 |
I agree with SLK (miracle of miracles!). It's time to bury the subject and leave the man alone. No one should say that he "disregarded the safety of his children" unless that person were an eyewitness to the incident that SLK has been very candid and contrite about. End of ends. | ||
| TopDown Citizen Username: New_2_nj Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2005 |
K-Soze - SLK isn't going to listen to anything you say. From your post it sounds like you've only got one kid, which according to him gives you non-parent status as per this quote below... "And sorry, raising children does give you the one up on those who don't I use to think the same as you before I had children. Notice I didn't say child, but CHILDREN. After the first 6 months raising one child is pretty easy. Throwing two children into the mix both under two years of age is a whole new universe (as everyone warned me)." Not that it matters any more since the thread is dead, but what confuses me about this whole exchange was the 180 in SLK's position. At the start of the thread SLK says he made a mistake by leaving the kids in the car and then a few pages later (and a few more people saying they've done it too) states the kids were safer in the car. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. It's your call as a parent/guardian (since no NJ law states otherwise), but at least know how you feel about what you are doing. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2057 Registered: 7-2004 |
You are correct, to a point, Innis. Scrote said the reason behind leaving the kids in the car was because he NEEDED HELP (caps were his). I'm saying it's not very difficult to manage dry cleaning with little kids, all it takes is a little extra effort. One he was not willing to put forth. So he didn't really NEED HELP. He was just being a lazy parent. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5452 Registered: 9-2001  |
"It's time to bury the subject and leave the man alone." Innisown, I've stayed out of this thread, however,IMHO, if this thread ends, it should end on K-soze's comments, not yours, or on S.L.K 2.0 / Scrotisloknows say so... Call me lazy but I'm not going back 4 pages so lets see if I'm right. SLK went into the cleaners while leaving his kids in a car, he gets mad that someone called the police, comes here to vent. No sympahy fom me my man, There's NO excuse for leaving children unattended in a vehicle other than pure lazyness. There has been countless times where I needed to exit my car-if only for a few minutes-but still I went throught the trouble of undoing a child seat and bringing her along. If you have already failed in your obligation to (at least in this moment) to keep your kids safe then why should a third party give you or anyone the benefit of the doubt in thinking that bringing it to their attention would be helpful? I'm thinking I would've called the police and waited for them to get there so I could step up and say yes, I'm the one who called please give this person a summons. SLK, did you get a ticket? Did the person eventually confront you? Did you get scolded by the cops? Do you really think it was ok to leave kids in an unattended car?} | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1977 Registered: 10-2005 |
hey hey hey....goodbye....  | ||
| crabby Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 775 Registered: 1-2004 |
THIS is the end. Really. This is the end. end fin fini finissimo not kidding. Here it is... The End | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4473 Registered: 12-2004  |
Here's the sticking point for me: the car was NOT "UNATTENDED!" un·at·tend·ed adj. Not being attended to, looked after, or watched: an unattended fire. Having no attendants: unattended gasoline pumps. Not being paid attention to or listened to: an unattended question. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2058 Registered: 7-2004 |
How many times are you going to say you're leaving? | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2032 Registered: 10-2004  |
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| Flameretardant Citizen Username: Flameretardant Post Number: 43 Registered: 9-2004 |
I agree with ajc on this ... but my real point in posting here is ... why is this thread dragging on and on???? I mean, SLK is ticked off about the reaction to a parenting decision he made. OK, I disagree with what he did, etc. But why does this topic get belabored for 160+ posts?!#$@! Isn't that a BIT much? | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1978 Registered: 10-2005 |
Flame- you tell me and we'll both know....i tried to end it. Is SOMA so uneventful that this is all we can talk about... Actually blame AJC.... MATBs- thanks for the post... -SLK i am leaving for good now, maybe....  | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 2366 Registered: 3-2004 |
AJC: A day late and a dollar short, as they say. | ||
| Foxhound Citizen Username: Foxhound Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2006 |
Never assume when dealing with your child's safety. What could happen with the car only 20 ft away? CHICAGO TRIBUNE Published August 21, 2006, 6:17 AM CDT "A toddler in a stolen car that crashed has been returned to her mother, Chicago police said. The child's mother was putting air in her car's tires at a gas station in the 3000 block of West 63rd Street when a teenage girl jumped in the vehicle and drove off, Officer Kristina Schuler said. The driver sped away with the 15-month-old child inside and headed in the direction of an oncoming police car, Schuler said. That officer, seeing the frantic mother, tried to pull the stolen car over with lights and sirens, "but the driver drove up on the curb and around the squad and fled," Schuler said. Police discovered the stolen car crashed around the corner, at 6241 S. Albany Ave. The teen ran and has not been found, Schuler said. The child was treated in Wyler Children's Hospital and released. Three men are being questioned in connection with the incident, she said." ....or if you just duck in for a couple of minutes Hartford Courant "February 18, 2006 Stolen Car Recovered With 2 Children Inside A man who left his young children in the car while he rushed into a Hartford convenience store walked out to a sight no parent wants to see. Someone stole the car, with the children, ages 4 and 18 months, still inside, police said. The theft happened outside Sam's Food Store, 611 Maple Ave., at 8:50 p.m. It prompted an intense police response, said Lt. Patrick Jobes. Patrol cars flooded the area, he said, and Trooper One, the state police helicopter, was placed on standby, waiting to assist. A short time later, Sgt. Martin Miller found the vehicle, a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee, behind 101 Benton St., Jobes said. The children, who were in the vehicle, were fine and “in good spirits,” he said. The thief is described as a heavyset Hispanic man with a scruffy face, Jobes said. He wore a brown coat with a white T-shirt underneath. Police continue to investigate the theft, and the possibility that the father should be arrested, Jobes said. He declined to identify the father." | ||
| Aquaman Supporter Username: Aquaman Post Number: 998 Registered: 8-2001  |
Come on, get down off your sanctimonious high horse. We make assumptions all the time when dealing with our children's safety. We assume that the 18-wheeler behind us won't rear-end us. But it does happen. We assume that the car will not run the red light at the intersection. But it does happen. We assume that people won't car-jack us while we're in the car. But it does happen. We assume the driver in the other direction won't veer into our lane and hit us head on. But it does happen. We assume people won't disregard laws or common sense, we assume all the time. Hell, there are far more kidnappings from homes than cars, so therefore, cars are safer than homes for our children. How many people would remove their sleeping 18-month old babies from their car-seats on a 30 degree day to pump air into their tires? | ||
| fabulouswalls Citizen Username: Fabulouswalls Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2005  |
I would not have left the car running. I would not have left the keys in the ignition. Depending on the neighborhood I would have locked the car to put air in the tires. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1980 Registered: 10-2005 |
Aquaman said: "How many people would remove their sleeping 18-month old babies from their car-seats on a 30 degree day to pump air into their tires?" Apparently half the parent population in SOMA...but hey,can't be neglectful of the kids now... -SLK Ok, now I am done, really I am.... | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 5378 Registered: 7-2001  |
I have stayed away from this topic, but one question has been really bugging me so I have to ask? Does Gleasons offer Martinizing? | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4487 Registered: 12-2004 |
Aw, come on Parkbench! Why would you stay away from this topic? Sheesh, can't imagine. | ||
| The Oracle of MOL Supporter Username: Oracle_of_mol Post Number: 252 Registered: 2-2005  |
Soda is still suspended. --The Oracle of MOL | ||
| Momx2 Citizen Username: Proudmama Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
Forgive me if this has already been stated, but I can't take the time to scroll through all the messages. It's more common to focus on the risk of the children being kidnapped or hurt, but another risk is what if something happens to the mom or dad and no one even knows the kid(s) are in the car? What if you have a heart attack, seizure, fall, ....you get the point....and no one knows your children are even there? Just a thought... | ||
| AES Citizen Username: Room_to_move Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2005 |
IMHO, on a daily basis, raising children, or for that matter caring for any utterly defensely being, is often about calculated risks...leaving an infant on a blanket while you run to the bathroom, Leaivig the kids in the car in the driveway while you run in the house b/c you forgoet something, leaving a toddler in the tub for a split second while you answer the phone, leaving a toddler and infant sibiling in the same room while you run to put a load of wash in, having a few too many glasses of wine after the kids whent to bed. Perhaps I am in the minority, but I've done all these things and probably worse. Sometimes we do what helps us get through the day. There are no guarantees in life. For some reason, parenting, more than most topics, seems to invite the most comment. I don't think SLK was looking for approval of his decision. Hell, I don't approve either...but I've done something similar before and will probably do it again. | ||
| sportsnut Citizen Username: Sportsnut Post Number: 2568 Registered: 10-2001  |
The only thing I'd like to add is this: While I wouldn't leave my son when he was that young I would never have called the cops. Today while I was picking up my son at the Y a woman came to pick up her son and she had two kids in a stroller. I held the door for her and the stroller wouldn't fit. She parked the stroller outside and told her son that she was just going to run inside to sign him out. She left the two kids in the stroller right near the front door. She didn't ask me to watch them. She just went inside. I had never met the woman or even seen her before. I told my son to wait for me and I stayed and watched her children. I didn't call the police, I don't think she was negligent. I didn't read her the riot act when she came back out. She smiled and thanked me. When she came back out I told my son that we could go. What I find ironic is that people are chastizing SLK about the "dangers" of leaving his kids in the car. These are the same people who poo-poo the "dangers" of living so close to Irvington and Newark. To me the same level of risk is assosiated with both. Both are small risks. | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 500 Registered: 4-2006  |
Hey, is there a law against feeding children a diet of that consists solely of twinkies and coca-cola? Does that mean I can to that, and since it's not against the law, I'd be a good parent? Cool. | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 2157 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oh for goodness sakes - What parent has never left a sleeping baby or toddler alone? Besides scary AP stories, who knows anyone who had a child kidnapped, car-jacked, or hurt in any way while you picked up drycleaning, ran into the bank, or grabbed a cup of coffee? I won't go into a liteny of "when I was a kid.." but really, if a baby is sleeping and the car is locked and you're away for 5 minutes but keeping an eye out, I don't think it's endangering the children. Statistically it's much more dangerous to drive them to Gleasons than leave them in the car. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5454 Registered: 9-2001 |
"...if a baby is sleeping and the car is locked and you're away for 5 minutes but keeping an eye out, I don't think it's endangering the children." Sorry Lydia, but Take Nothing For Granted... I've been in the vehicle break-in business 46 years and can tell you stories you would never believe. Most cars are broken into, vandalized, or stolen right under people’s noses. They haven't made a car yet that we can't take in under a minute or two. FWIW, last week Libby's car was broken into in less than 5 minutes, in broad day-light, directly in front of Bed, Bath, and Beyond... Listen, Murphy's Law will show you time and time again, if it can go wrong, it will... Anyone who takes a chance with their children’s life by leaving them alone in a car is a fool. I hope if nothing else, some of the comments on this thread will discourage others from taking a chance in this regard in the future. It just ain't worth it... | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1981 Registered: 10-2005 |
and the debate rages on... combustion,still walking on water i see? my wife and i feed our 2.5 year old organic food 99% of the time. Am I a "negligent" parent if I allow him to chow on a muffin from our local coffee shop (hi Deanne!  ) or french fries (with ketchup!)at the pool? it sounds like the answer would be yes in your universe. Thank god I don't live in it... -SLK | ||
| crabby Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 778 Registered: 1-2004 |
AES and sportsnut and lydia. More voices of reason. SLK, focus on the voices of reason. The End. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1984 Registered: 10-2005 |
AES- No your not alone, what parent haven't done such things? I am "guilty" of it and know many others who are too. One thing I have learned raising two children 2.5 years and under is that no matter how much you love your kids, and no matter what you do and how much effort you put forth balancing your attention between the two one is always going to be temporaily "neglected." Example: My wife works part time so sometimes I have to put both kids to bed. So we go through the usual ritual, changing diapers, putting them into their PJs, giving them their vitamins, and if they are teething, Motrin, read books, feed them their nightly milk bottle etc.. But what do you do if they are both over tired and having a simultaneous meltdown (screaming their heads off)? You can try your best and spread the comforting around but at least one of the child is not getting the full comforting he needs and deserves. I figured out the best thing to do is give quick comforting to the infant to hold him over for a so i can comfort the oldest one and run him to his crib. I am usually only 1/2 way to the crib before the infant starts screaming again. At least a minute (if not more) goes by before I can get back to the infant who is still screaming his head off... So I ask again, am I a "neglient" parent because i can't give both children equal attention during their meltdowns or am I am someone who is doing the best that he can in the situation? One thing for sure though, I don't think anyone who hasn't experienced putting two children to bed can honestly answer this. -SLK | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4496 Registered: 12-2004 |
Try three! | ||
| fabulouswalls Citizen Username: Fabulouswalls Post Number: 259 Registered: 10-2005 |
I was wondering what ajc did for a living. You never know. | ||
| doulamomma Citizen Username: Doulamomma Post Number: 1802 Registered: 3-2002 |
Anything *can* happen, we *could* get hit by lightning or have a stroke (at home or elsewhere)... Once I posted that some jackazs in a giant SUV(who probably just didn't look carefully that one time) backed up fast in the Whole Foods lot & nearly hit my shopping cart containing my child (cart/child & I were by the back hatch of my car while I unloaded groceries.) I was upset with myself for not putting my kid in the car before unloading...until shortly thereafter there was the story of the woman nearly escaping attack in the motion parking lot...what if my kid had been in the car & the car was unlocked b/c I was unloading groceries ...(I tend to think parking lots are riskier where cars are concerned than criminals) There is always a scenario where something bad can happen - we can all only do the best that we can do. Compassion is a virtue in my book...we could all call the cops or we could do as Sportnut did & assume the best of our flawed fellow-humans...I bet the woman Sportsnut helped will remember that & ask for help next time or even help someone else |
