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     MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4498 Registered: 12-2004  |
Clearly there are two (or more) schools of thought here. Seems like it might just be best to agree to disagree and--what's the saying--"Judge not, lest ye be judged." | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1985 Registered: 10-2005  |
Topdown- I know this thread should of died yesterday but I would like to address "the 180 change" in my position. Yes, at first I did say I made a mistake by leaving the kids in the car and to this day I will maintain it may not be the wisest choice to make. With the public spectacle with law enforcement and everything, it would make anyone question whether they are a good parent or not. Ultimately, I let what I preceived to be the common public stigma/opinion on this touchy subject keep me down. But I must admit a part of me kept asking myself "what in God's name did I do that was so wrong anyways considering I took all the necessary precautions I thought was best in the situation?" Then after discussing this with so many individuals on this board (and not), an overall common consensus was reached between my conflicting conscience. I realized that my decision does not make me a bad parent, I am not the only parent that has done this and lot more more parents do it then you realize, reagrdless if it is right/wrong, good/bad, smart/dumb....etc.... I hope this answers your question... -SLK | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2065 Registered: 7-2004  |
I don't see how leaving a crying infant unattended safely in his crib is the same as leaving a child alone in a car. I ask Scrote again, how was it exactly that you NEEDED HELP?? I'm having trouble getting past this. You fall down and break your leg while your kids are in the car, clearly you NEED HELP. How is it that you NEED HELP so badly running routine errands on a weekend? Did you fall down and break your leg? | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4499 Registered: 12-2004 |
Or how about "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone." | ||
| fabulouswalls Citizen Username: Fabulouswalls Post Number: 260 Registered: 10-2005  |
SLK: To me this thread wasn't a question of whether you are a good parent or not. I am sure that you are a very good father. It was the tone of your OP that caused this thread to go on and on. There is no right or wrong in this case. It is just a different style of parenting. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1986 Registered: 10-2005 |
RL, You obviously don't have kids judging by your responses. It is not a question of attending/unattending, it is a question of providing equal comfort to two children having a meltdown. No matter what, one child is going to be deprived, even if is momentairly. Is I already explained this (needing help)...no matter what, my hands would be full (either kids/drycleaning, and if I take your advice, a stroller too)and at some point to get them all back to the car the kids would have to be unattended (either in the car or in the store). Listen, you and all my critics are welcome to come by Gleason's tomorrow to help me, or at least observe what i am doing and offer some suggestions. I should be there around 11AM, see you then? -SLK | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 940 Registered: 6-2004 |
this thread is still going? unbelievable. | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4501 Registered: 12-2004 |
S P O T L E S S -- D R Y -- C L E A N E R S!!!!! Who needs to take precious time on a weekend, running tedious errands, risking the lives of your children, when you can have your drycleaning picked-up and dropped off at your door?! SLK, I'll never understand why you bother to continue to engage RL. Might as well beat your head against a brick wall. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1990 Registered: 10-2005 |
MATBs/Oldstone- your are so both right (sound of the door hitting SLK in the •••) I am out of here.... -SLK | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 5382 Registered: 7-2001  |
How about those Mets? | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4509 Registered: 12-2004 |
What about this weather? | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 2160 Registered: 2-2005  |
Why are my eyes bleeding??? | ||
| Cougar86 Citizen Username: Cougar86 Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2006 |
You all are missing the point! It is Gleason's fault! We need immediate legislation mandating DRIVE THRU dry cleaning services for everyone!!! Wake up Lautenberg and tell him right now!!!! | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 5384 Registered: 7-2001 |
Didn't Jackie Gleason pass away a long long time ago? | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 4834 Registered: 5-2001  |
How sweet it is! | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 5390 Registered: 7-2001 |
Situations like this are why Ralph and Alice and Norton and Trixie decided not to have children. | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 3063 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well actually they did have them. But Ralph sent them all "to the moon." (unattended by any adult but in appropriate child seats for rockets of course) | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2051 Registered: 10-2004  |
I think Wendy should have the last word | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 3067 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hoops, again!  Happy Labor Day! (and as much as we've disagreed I've never wanted to "send you to the moon") | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1999 Registered: 10-2005 |
Talk about irony-I saw the mofo who I am pretty confident called the cops on me leaving th sushi place in town as I was heading to the pet store for dog food (then to Roman Gourmet for the usual Friday night pizza).... It didn't hit me who I passed until I got to the pet store. I turned around and he was gone. I thought I felt a disturbance in the Force shortly before laying eyes on him.... Next time my friend, I will politely inquire....  -SLK Oh, my kids were left in the car....with my wife...  | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2000 Registered: 10-2005 |
Happy Labor Day to all and to all a good night! And congrat me on my 2000th post.... | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider  Post Number: 15530 Registered: 1-2003  |
Congratulations! I haven't been reading this thread very carefully. I will go out on a limb and say the biggest reason you shouldn't leave your kids in the car the way you did is that others perceive it to be a bad idea. That makes it a bad idea. I think they were reasonably safe. I'm not saying I would have done it. It's a pain to take them out but I would have done it because what if something had happened? At that point, it would seem that taking them out was so easy compared to the "something" that would have happened. Anyway, sorry if this has been said before. | ||
| crabby Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 780 Registered: 1-2004 |
I drive with my kids in the car even though "something could happen". More somethings could happen while driving with kids than while leaving the kids in the car and running into Gleasons on a cloudy day. But people are stupid, and overreact because they can. They need to examine their own lives. The guy who called the cops was an imbecile who can't discern nuance. And that my friends, is the end of the story. Case closed. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 15532 Registered: 1-2003 |
Good points, crabby! | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2004 Registered: 10-2005 |
(curtains slowly draw close on stage...hopefully) | ||
| Oldstone Citizen Username: Rogers4317 Post Number: 944 Registered: 6-2004 |
(loud applause, standing ovation, cries for encore, encore but artist doesn't reappear on stage... audience disperses and leaves venue....all in all, a very satisfying performance) i wonder what slk's next act will be? | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 3073 Registered: 5-2001 |
 (ga head slk, try again with the last word - we won't muck it up - or call the cops - promise!) | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 2421 Registered: 8-2003  |
I was at Gleason's this morning and I looked into a car parked there and I noticed that in the back seat was a live tiger, two propane tanks, a box marked "Biohazard," a Brinks' bag that appeared to be stuffed with cash, three AK-47s, a chain saw, and an infant sleeping in a car seat. But the kid looked pretty safe strapped in there, so I let him be because I didn't want to meddle. was I right? | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 2177 Registered: 2-2005 |
Yep. MYOB.  | ||
| maplescorp Citizen Username: Maplescorp Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2005  |
I was at Gleason's the other day and left my child in the inside pocket of my blazer as I was handing it over. Bad idea? At last I brought him in with me. He needed a little starch anyway. ----------- People without multiple kids should hold their blame, me thinks. I wouldn't have called the cops. I perhaps would have waited by the car myself, and when SLK came out I would have said, "just making sure they were okay. I know what it's like...hey, I bet you're SLK, aren't you?!" What's the point in Loridng over someone and making them feel inferior? Just mind the kids if you think they might be unsafe. Sorry for continuing the thread. I just noticed it! | ||
| T-Bone Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1790 Registered: 8-2004  |
Still Going !  | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2006 Registered: 10-2005 |
(slk peeps from behind the closed curtain) well, since things are still cranking along... i went to Gleason's this morning, but this time I called ahead (as the owner suggested). With my bank card in my hand and my dirty laundry by my side i ran in and exchanged them for my clean dry cleaning. I ran back to the car (parked even closer to the building this time) and waited for the young lady to take care of everything. Once done she waived me back in where again i ran in and signed away...well you get my drift.... Each time I was away for 15 seconds, again keeping my eye on the car, with keys in hand. Nevertheless, I was slightly paranoid (too much coffee?), waiting to run into some jerkoff with a cellphone....the woman who answered the phone seemed slightly annoyed i called ahead too....oh well...can't "neglect" the kids now... so all you self-righteous can sheath your swords....slk has found a new method so he doesn't "neglect" his kids no mo. thanks for the suppor maplescorp, where ya been?? (slk gone, curtain slightly waves in breeze) | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2054 Registered: 10-2004 |
MOL peer pressure causes SLK to change - details at 11. | ||
| Chet Ubetcha Citizen Username: Chet_ubetcha Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
When and if you do confront me, I truly hope it is "polite". And I trust that's not some kind of a threat. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2014 Registered: 10-2005 |
Chet- If you truly are the culprit then of course I will be polite and non-threatening. I just want to speak to you and explain my side of the story. I don't think you fully grasped what occured in Gleason's parking lot and were too hasty in calling cops that could of really f-ed me up last weekend since I had alot of friends and family coming in a couple of hours later for my sons baptism the next day. Start from the top and you'll grasp my position. But how do I know you are you? And if you are you then I find it interesting that this is your first post. Peace (really)... -SLK something tells me this is going to get interesting... | ||
| The Oracle of MOL Supporter Username: Oracle_of_mol Post Number: 253 Registered: 2-2005  |
Soda is still suspended. Go in peace. --The Oracle of MOL | ||
| Chet Ubetcha Citizen Username: Chet_ubetcha Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2006 |
OK. Let me quickly go through this point-by-point: - When we pulled into the parking lot, I did a double take when I saw your car with the little kid and the infant all alone there. I’ve never seen anyone do that in a parking lot, and as the father of 5-year-old twins I know a thing or two about running errands with two kids in car seats. - I called the cops because I was frankly shocked by the lack of judgment there. I don’t know how else to describe it. I didn’t want to go in and make an announcement or confront you in Gleason’s as you suggest because I didn’t think it would turn out well dealing with someone who would make a choice like that. You seem to be very upset by the humiliation of the police showing up, but I’m sure you would have been just fine with the public humiliation of me walking in and announcing to all of Gleason’s that some parent had left a child and an infant alone in the car and they should do something about it, right? I don’t know why I’m supposed to believe that. - I thought if the police came before you left, you would get a warning and never do something so stupid again. As it turned out, that’s exactly what happened. - Regarding what you did: you admit it was wrong, your wife was upset about it, the police thought it was serious enough for you to get a warning, the situation is serious enough to be against the law in many states in this country, at least half of the people on this thread think it was wrong, and you should have heard the ladies who work in Gleason’s talking about people who leave their kids alone in their cars there (I also learned you’re not the first to be confronted by the cops at Gleason’s). What it comes down to is I think leaving your kids alone in the car like that (and especially an infant) is a really bad thing, and dangerous. It seems some people in Maplewood/South Orange don’t agree with that. OK. It seems that you agree with it in some posts and you don’t in others. OK, whatever. But I believe what I believe and I did what I thought was right out of concern over the situation I saw. - One other important thing: I dispute a key premise of your story. You were being waited on at the second register from the left wall. I don't think there's any way you could see your car from there. There is just no sightline from there. Plus, my car was in front of your car and blocking your view of it. So while you were picking up your clothes, paying, etc., no one was watching your kids. So they were not being watched the whole time, as you attest. And I also question whether it was really 4 minutes. I’d say it was around twice that. It seemed longer to me, and anyway how could all that stuff from me pulling in, seeing your car, the call to the police, taking care of your dry cleaning stuff, the police arriving, all happen in 4 minutes? So I hope that answers your questions. (And by the way, I’m not a “hippie” (nor am I a “mofo” but I’ll leave that one alone), I'm not in my 40s, and I have an anti-war bumper sticker on my car because I think the war is a strategic clusterf--- for our country, not because I'm your caricature of a busybody Maplewood peace activist liberal ...) | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 816 Registered: 11-2005  |
   10 POINTS FOR CHET!! | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 510 Registered: 4-2006  |
Bravo Chet!!! Just be prepared for the smackdown that SLK and MATB's are about to unleash on you. You don't deserve it, but I'm just warning you to be prepared. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 2017 Registered: 10-2005 |
Chet- First, I hope you enjoyed your Sushi Friday night, for my family it is Pizza night every Friday. I hear you but disagree with you. You chose what you thought you had to do in your conscience but I still think it was in the most passive aggressive way. I stick by my admission that it wasn't the wisest thing but at the time I thought all my "preventative maintenance" made up for it. BUT: I beg to differ that I couldn't see my car. I was at the 2nd register, but unbeknownst to you I noticed you keep looking back at either your or my car and knew something was brewing. I was literally looking over your shoulder the entire time. Your blue Ford Winstar minivan was not parked in front of my car but to the right of it. NOTHING was blocking my view to my car, regardless of whether the minivan is yours or not. I was in the store no more than 4-5 minutes. I too was amazed the cops showed up so quickly but this is a small town. I had to call the cops a couple of times and they usually showed up in 3 minutes or less. My guess is your wife (I am assuming) or female passenger that day made the call immediately upon arriving and noticing my "unattended" children (see MATBs defintion in a previous post). I noticed her when I got back in my car, she was holding a baby. You are very lucky to have someone to help you with your twins when running errands. Some of us are not so lucky. OR: You asked one of the workers to call because one did ask me how my kids were doing, but in a slightly strange way. Either way,I really wish you would of took a step back and handled it differently that's all. BTW, I wasn't slighting you when I made comments like "mofo" sin(e buI call everyone that) "hippie" "long hair" and the anti-war sticker on your bumper. Those are the points my mind stuck to when trying to remember who the suspected caller was. But no frets, I am not in the business of threatening/attacking people. I will make an effort to introduce myself should our paths cross again. Peace... -SLK |
