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bobk
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 4105
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 8:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well now that we are at threat level Orange, President Bush is off for two weeks at his ranch in Texas, protected by his personal no-fly zone enforced by Air Force and Texas Air National Guard F-!5s and F-16s.

To be honest given modern communications there is no reason he has to be in Washington. However, there is a leadership issue here, much like his odyssey flying around the country on 9/11.

Yeah, this may be unfair, but this is the way this survivor of two terrorist attacks feels about it.

Send Cheney off to his cave instead.

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Kenney
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Username: Kenney

Post Number: 203
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 8:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The world is safer now that he is captured. But it is bizarre that in the absense of any evidence whatsoever, and in the face of the Bush administration's admission that there is no link between Saddam and 9/11, people still insist on believing that there is a link.
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Tom Reingold
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
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ashear
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Username: Ashear

Post Number: 878
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 9:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dubious Link Between Atta and Saddam:
A document tying the Iraqi leader with the 9/11 terrorist is probably fake. PLUS, how terror financiers manage to stay in business

Dec. 17 - A widely publicized Iraqi document that purports to show that September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta visited Baghdad in the summer of 2001 is probably a fabrication that is contradicted by U.S. law-enforcement records showing Atta was staying at cheap motels and apartments in the United States when the trip presumably would have taken place, according to U.S. law enforcement officials and FBI documents.

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3741646&p1=0
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 5989
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 9:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know about anyone else, but I have yet to establish a connection between The Weekly Standard and journalistic integrity.

Love their sponsor links, though. At least they're God-fearing Republicans without journalistic integrity.
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Kenney
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Username: Kenney

Post Number: 204
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 9:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good point; I'm sure they fabricated the quotes from Clinton officials.
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 1690
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 10:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Conservatives are going to have to decide on one of the following:

1) The pharam plant had nothing to do with terrorism and bombing it was a "wag the dog" blunder that shows the Clinton administration's ineptitude; or

2) The pharma plant had clear terror ties and bombing it was the right thing to do.

Because, you see, it was either terrorist-related or it wasn't, but it can't be both.
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Sylad
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Username: Sylad

Post Number: 106
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 10:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why the concern about where Bush spends the weekend or vacations? It has not effect on how decisions are made and how information flows between him, his staff and all gov agencies. At least he is not overloading a small island like Clinton did at the height of tourist season.
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Charles "Chuck" Howley
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Username: Cowboy

Post Number: 202
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 11:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, I don't know about anyone else, but it seems useful to mention a significant and important contributor to the cause of "journalistic integrity." His name is Jason Blair.


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1-2many
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Username: Wbg69

Post Number: 764
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if the terror alert is raised, should we be expecting the "shelter in place" instructions soon?

I'm off to the liquor store... need proper supplies for the panic...
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Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1496
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I support our troops. That's why I oppose the cut in benefits they received recently. The nice thing about Bush is he often says the right thing. The shame is that he often does the opposite of what he says. But it's good for votes, because most people don't notice. So the predictions may be right: Bush may win. But it won't be because he treats them well.

And I fail to see how hawkish policies actually benefit the military. We need to have the military, for sure, but using them unnecessarily isn't good for anyone.
Tom Reingold
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Kenney
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Username: Kenney

Post Number: 206
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 1:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He often does the opposite of what he says????????hmmm...
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 580
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 1:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Weekly Standard vs. The New York Times. List reasons why one is credible and the other isn't or it is just that obvious?
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Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1502
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 1:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you're implying the NY Times is left-leaning, take a look at the commentaries that Safire and Brooks write. Brooks seems heavily right-leaning. Safire is right of center, for sure. In his commentary today, he says that Bush's policies are "working" which is what led to Libya's "come and look" gesture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/22/opinion/22SAFI.html

You'll need a free login to read the above link. If you want, I'll copy and paste the text.

Also, Tom Friedman seems to be a "swing" commentator. To me, it implies an open mind.
Tom Reingold
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Kenney
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Username: Kenney

Post Number: 207
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 1:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom,

Here is a passage from the Presidents budget for 2004 along with the link:


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For 2004, the budget proposes a range of pay increases from 2.0 to 6.3 percent, targeted by rank and years of service. These differential pay increases enhance the Department's ability to retain its most experienced soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. With the increase, base military salaries will average more than $37,000 for enlisted personnel and more than $75,000 for officers, exceeding the average salaries of their civilian counterparts with similar education levels.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/defense.html
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
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Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1504
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 1:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you for that, Kenney. That looks good.

My memory is obviously faulty. Maybe it was veterans' benefits that he cut. But I'm not imagining that he approved of Congress cutting something, about a day after he offered his supportive rhetoric.
Tom Reingold
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey

Post Number: 394
Registered: 8-2003


Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 1:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom,
you're right on with that. I'm way too busy to hunt down specific citations that won't persuade a Bush fan anyway.

But Bush's m.o. is to use a group or program for a photo op, say he's supporting them, and then submit a budget that cuts it. AmeriCorps is the prime example.
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Kenney
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Username: Kenney

Post Number: 208
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 2:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Absoulutely--if the facts dont back up your memory(hope), ignore them and go on the offensive.




The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
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Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1506
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, perhaps I worded it poorly, but I meant it as a concession that I was wrong. I like to give both credit and blame where they are due. Increasing military pay earns Bush credit. Cutting veterans' benefits earns him criticism. Don't you agree?

I feel that giving credit to those I oppose should give me more credibility.

Tom Reingold
There is nothing

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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 581
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I didn't say which publication was more left-leaning I asked which was more credible or shall I say has more journalistic integrity and the reasons why.

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Madden 11
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Username: Madden_11

Post Number: 34
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom, no need to fault your memory...Bush tried to cut hazard pay, but had to back down in the face of overwhelmingly bad press.

Troops in Iraq Face Pay Cut
Pentagon says tough duty bonuses are budget-buster
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0814-02.htm

As for the cuts in vet's benefits:

Bush, GOP take aim at vets' benefits
As American troops complete their assault on Bhagdad, President George W. Bush and the Republicans in Congress are launching their own attack on war veterans' medical benefits.
http://www.townonline.com/allston/news/local_regional/ab_covabvets04112003.htm

Kenney, you cite a proposed 2004 budget. Glad to see GW's come to his senses...and just in time for the election, too!

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