| Author | Message | ||
     Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6027 Registered: 4-1998  |
Was at a grocery store yesterday and chicken was a lot higher than the shell steaks. So it's steak for dinner. Wonder if Toro Loco (Crazy Bull) go out of business? | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 242 Registered: 11-2003 |
Toro Loco will be the last restaurant to go under because of their cost basis. The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR.. Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W. Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) | ||
| tourne Citizen Username: Tourne Post Number: 275 Registered: 1-2003 |
Just about every animal you eat--chicken, cow, pig, etc. is fed feed rations that contain some sort of slaughterhouse waste for a cheap source of protein, unless it is organically raised. The entire state of the US food industry is pretty sick. Monsanto and Dow Chemical promote chemical agriculture to sell their poison products as do pharmaceutical companies. The american factory farm system has wholeheartely embraced this most unnatural way of producing food and the result is MCD, antibiotic resistant killer bacteria, pesticide poisoning, genetically modified weeds, soil destruction, food allergens, and the list goes on and on. Maybe we should just eat each other and be done with it! | ||
| musicme Citizen Username: Musicme Post Number: 425 Registered: 5-2001  |
"Maybe we should just eat each other and be done with it!" So long as NJ's Pharmaceuticals can get a piece of it.... It's simple Eat more Veggies Eat less animals So many of our kids want to be vegetarian --oops, I mean they just want to eat junk! | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 607 Registered: 8-2003 |
If it's all "poisonous" as you make it out to be, someone ought to let the public know because their life expectancy keeps going up. Either that or they're not listening. | ||
| Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1579 Registered: 1-2003  |
Sometimes, it's not a matter of when you die, it's a matter of how. That's why airplanes are so much safer than cars. People just don't want to die in an airplane crash along with hundreds of strangers. We're more content to die in our cars in relative privacy. Or something like that. Tom Reingold There is nothing | ||
| drewdix Citizen Username: Drewdix Post Number: 429 Registered: 7-2001 |
scoffing at poor meat quality because we're living longer as proof... I think you could make the argument that life expectancy has been increasing since the dawn of man (B.C.-Before Chemicals) so what's your point again? I also wonder if, although increasing, life expetancy hasn't leveled off because of some undesireable modern factors? Your assumption might then be out of context. would be interesting to see. Just somehow, I think increased life expectancy is more attributable to advances in medicine. Especially in America. We're fatter than ever, lazier than ever, ingest more chemicals from Agri-business than ever, yet we're living longer. Can't believe it's because of our diets. No, no charts and graphs here- just regurgitating what I've read. | ||
| Habanero2 Citizen Username: Habanero2 Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
Organic does not necessarily mean healthier. For example, "organic" salad greens contain more e. coli than do their artificially fertilized (and cheaper) alternative. Another example would be genetically modified corn that contains more protein and vitamins than its natural counterpart and is therefore more nutritious from a scientific standpoint. The MCD issue is an infectious disease issue and has little to do with the imaginary benefits of organic agriculture. Herbivores should not eat animal parts because it spreads virus like particles, not because it produces less nutritious meat (it actually produces higher protein containing meat). We could not feed the planet using only organic practices as they are substantially more expensive and less productive. If I put a sticker on my food that said "magic food" that would not make it healthier although I could probably sell it for 3x the price at Whole Foods. | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2003 |
Interesting that Llama has been missing ever since mad cow reports. The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR.. Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W. Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 610 Registered: 8-2003 |
I guess I have to make myself clear. I'm not for rancid and diseased meat. For that matter, I'm not for smokestacks and sludge either (just thought I'd clear up those areas as well). My point was that the appearance of chemicals in my food should not be a cause of alarm in and of itself. | ||
| tourne Citizen Username: Tourne Post Number: 277 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dear Habanero2, You spout lies! The fact is, conventionally grown food that may be fertilized with sewage sludge has potentially much more e.coli contamination than any organically grown produce. Genetically modified grains have no more vitamins, etc. than any organic products and in fact are often deficient because they were designed for easier processing, or resistance to herbicides. It is a falicy that organic agriculture can not sustain the needed food supply. See www.rodale.org and stop eating so much baloney. You are turning into one! | ||
| tourne Citizen Username: Tourne Post Number: 278 Registered: 1-2003 |
cjc, I have to get the real figures, but we, the US are not doing as well as a lot of other countries as far as mortality goes. | ||
| mrmaplewood Citizen Username: Mrmaplewood Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2001 |
You have to read the story in today's Wall Street Journal. The US laws are a joke. Cow byproducts can not be fed to cows, BUT may be fed to (chickens and) pigs. Pig byproducts may be fed back to cows. Well, DUUUHAAA. And testing is a joke. Most "downer" cattle are not even tested for this disease. The article said that it was a miracle this one cow's disease was identified. Most other major nations would not let the "downers" into the slaughterhouse. Here it is okay. I am not listening to anyone tell me the meat supply is fine. How do they know? This thing is too new and not well understood. | ||
| bobk Citizen Username: Bobk Post Number: 4176 Registered: 5-2001 |
Where is Sinclair Lewis when we really need him! | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 120 Registered: 5-2003 |
It was Upton Sinclair, Bobk. | ||
| ML1 Citizen Username: Ml1 Post Number: 1440 Registered: 5-2002  |
bobk, his name is Eric Schlosser and he wrote a book called "Fast Food Nation." It's this generation's "The Jungle." | ||
| Habanero2 Citizen Username: Habanero2 Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2003 |
Tourne, I am not spouting lies, I am simply not believing in magic. Studies show that organic vegetables and non organic ones are essentially identical from a chemical and vitamin standpoint. Most poor countries cant even afford cheaply produced food much less organic food (not to mention all the poor people in America who can’t afford it). A 20/20 special 18 months ago also tested organic salad greens and found 10-100 fold more e. coli than in regular greens. Since organic greens are fertilized with manure it makes sense. Most regular agriculture uses chemical fertilizers although both organic and in some cases regular agriculture use waste products (sources are probably different i.e. the normal agriculture sewage has been processed to kill bacteria whereas dung for organic greens has only been baked). Some pediatricians even caution against feeding children organic mesculin greens due to the bacterial content. I agree that practices in the meat industry are disgusting but I still enjoy meat. I actually think soy products are way more processed than natural products (who has ever seen soy cheese or soy hotdogs growing by themselves). Also it is becoming more apparent that a high carb diet is less healthy than one that is balanced and it is difficult to be a vegan and not eat a lot of carbs. I won’t even get into an argument on complete proteins vs incomplete soy that must be mixed with other vegetables to get minute amounts of whole protein. | ||
| tourne Citizen Username: Tourne Post Number: 279 Registered: 1-2003 |
Habanero2, You are not only spouting lies--you are spouting other peoples lies about organic agriculture. The 20/20 program you are excerpting from is one of the most notorious biased network "news" programs ever produced. The shows "expert" wrote a book called How to Save the Planet with Pesticides and Plastics!! Cripes!! See www.vegsource.com/articles/organics.2020.htm for the real story and the Rodale Institute site www.rodale.org and www.newfarm.org for truthful info. It amazes me how some people believe the _hit that they see on the tube?! | ||
| tourne Citizen Username: Tourne Post Number: 280 Registered: 1-2003 |
Check out WWW.THEMEATRIX.COM | ||
| Habanero2 Citizen Username: Habanero2 Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2003 |
Tourne, It amazes me that you believe in magic (and everything you read on green websites but nothing you read to the contrary regardless of source). Here is a quote from USDA Secretary Dan Glickman: "Let me be clear about one other thing. The organic label is a marketing tool." I could also paste a bunch of links stating that organic and non-organic foods are equivalent but you won't believe them. However, you probably do believe in witches, tarot readers and the healing power of crystals and magnets but that does not mean that they have true powers. If I grow a magic head of cabbage in my basement and put magic dung on it and I have a woods druid (or Jerry Garcia) bless it, will you proclaim that my cabbage will heal people and make them live longer? |
