| Author | Message | ||
     Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1317 Registered: 1-2006  |
RUN-DMC get credit for their historical value, but as a duo trading lyrics and rapping key lines together no one beats "Peter Piper." Any challengers? It's been more than twenty years. J.B. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15259 Registered: 10-2001  |
Kurtis Blow | ||
| Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 5819 Registered: 3-2002  |
Sugar Hill Gang with Big Bank Hank, of course Grandmaster Flash and the 3 MCs (including Melle Mel and Kid Creole) Public Enemy | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 756 Registered: 7-2004  |
Gil Scott Heron....he's the one that really started rap via the spoken word | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1320 Registered: 1-2006 |
I need more opinion. Why? Why is Kurtis Blow the best? Hank, Your list is quite historical. Do you really think The Sugar Hill Gang's raps were better than RUN-DMCs? Mr. Big Poppa, Do you have a link to Gil Scott Heron? I don't know it. I recently played my Dougie Fresh "La di da di." I was amazed there were no samples, it was just rap and beat box. You never hear that any more. That was a great example of the genre at its purist. J.B. | ||
| Greeneyes Citizen Username: Greeneyes Post Number: 812 Registered: 8-2001 |
When I first started hearing rap music played on the radio, I couldn't listen to it. Why? Because EACH AND EVERY SONG SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS BEING RAPPED TO Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. Play any early rap song, replace the lyrics with the words to that song and I think you may agree. Anyway, I didn't start "listening" to rap until I heard Tupac Shukur do Brenda's Got a Baby. He did a live performance on some award show and I was moved, almost to tears. So for me, it's Tupac. I like others, but I can't listen,comfortably, with my kids around. | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 4607 Registered: 7-2001  |
There's a whole bunch. Off the top of my head I gotta go with Chuck D and KRS One | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5228 Registered: 5-2001 |
This is like asking, "who's the best serial killer." Rap is a violent crime against culture. | ||
| JJJJJJJJJJJJ Citizen Username: Jjjjjjjjjjj Post Number: 36 Registered: 6-2006 |
I like LL Cool JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6681 Registered: 12-2001  |
Wyclef Jean...that dude can improv a rap in 7 languages, and his stuff is socially cool...IMHO and being the folk/rock major in high school/college that I was and to a point still am. | ||
| Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 5821 Registered: 3-2002 |
JB -- I only picked Sugar Hill Gang because of Big Bank Hank. But noone toasted like Yellowman. Would one consider Leonard Cohen rap since he cant be considered to be singing? | ||
| Project 37 Citizen Username: Project37 Post Number: 140 Registered: 3-2006  |
I'd agree with Run-DMC and Public Enemy. When they're in rap mode, the Beastie Boys are a lot of fun (their Criterion DVD video collection is several shades of awesome). I never got into Jay-Z, but I was fascinated with DJ Dangermouse's "Grey Album", which put the rap vocals from his Black Album against the Beatles' White Album. Really interesting stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Album There was another mashup that set it against Metallica's Black Album (released as "Double Black") which also worked pretty well. | ||
| Boomie Citizen Username: Boomie Post Number: 387 Registered: 7-2005 |
Jay Z, Nas, Biggie, Eminem and of course Tupac. | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 757 Registered: 7-2004 |
JB, Here's a brief bio on Gil Scott-Heron: http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Gil%20Scott%20Heron.html Here are some of his clips: 490651%2C00.html,http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/songs/0,,490651,00 .html http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1111268/a/Revolution+Will+Not+Be+T elevised.htm His songs are usually very political (for his era). He is most famous for "The Revolution Will not be Televised", so check that one out. Also, check out "Whitey on the Moon".....that one always cracks me up. You can check out some of his lyrics at http://www.gilscottheron.com/GILDISC.htm Here are the lyrics for "Revolution.." The Revolution Will Not Be Televised You will not be able to stay home, brother. You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out. You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip, Skip out for beer during commercials, Because the revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions. The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by the Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia. The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal. The revolution will not get rid of the nubs. The revolution will not make you look five pounds thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother. There will be no pictures of you and Willie May pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run, or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance. NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32 or report from 29 districts. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process. There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the proper occasion. Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people will be in the street looking for a brighter day. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock news and no pictures of hairy armed women liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose. The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb, Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be right back after a message bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people. You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl. The revolution will not go better with Coke. The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath. The revolution will put you in the driver's seat. The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised. The revolution will be no re-run brothers; The revolution will be live. } | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 758 Registered: 7-2004 |
Tom, Are you still upset the Lawrence Welk show was cancelled? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5230 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'm a little more musically sophisticated than that. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1604 Registered: 10-2004  |
What Boomie said plus - A Newark native - Redman. Jay-Z for me is my personal favorite - not for his commerical break through raps like Hard Knock Life or H to the IZO, which are godd in themselves, but for his ability to describe his cultural focus and paint the pictures that make you believe them. Reasonable doubt and In my lifetime are 2 great CD's. Eminem because his focus was just so bizarre and he rhymes in ridiculous patterns that make me laugh. Dr Dre - just a great pioneer who turned into a world class producer. Kanye West for bringing soul back into rap and for moving away from the gangster format to be more centered in daily life. Talib Kweli and Common Sense - Great social poets. So why Redman too? Redman is a Newark native with a great delivery and his descriptions are hard but very funny. Big Poppa, I dont consider Gil Scott Heron to be a rapper. I think hes a poet though and a great one. I posted 'In the Bottle' to a different one of JB's posts a while back. It stands up today like a work of art. | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 1678 Registered: 4-2004  |
Ranking Roger of the English beat- an innovator. | ||
| Peter J. Watts Citizen Username: Peter_watts Post Number: 49 Registered: 3-2006  |
So far, this list is missing the late Ol' Dirty Bastard and late Easy-E. They were true innovators, too bad they went early. | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1768 Registered: 9-2004  |
Can I hear for the ladies? Salt-N-Pepa | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 4617 Registered: 7-2001 |
Salt-N-Pepa's here and we're in effect!!!! MC Lyte Monie Love | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1609 Registered: 10-2004 |
I have a favorite that is mostly unknown but is a terrific talent - Jean Grae. | ||
| The Soullful Mr T Citizen Username: Howardt Post Number: 2171 Registered: 11-2004  |
The Lawrence Welk show was not cancelled, per se, it was put into eternal syndication. With Big Tiny Little, the Lennon Sisters and.....Myron Florin! | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1331 Registered: 1-2006 |
Mr. Big Poppa, I know the "Revolution Will not be Televised" I didn't know who did it. I respect the political message, but it's not the best rap of all time. Soulful, Discussing Lawrence Welk is THE biggest thread drift that could happen on this thread. I'd accept LL Cool J as close competition to RUN-DMC with "I'm Bad." The rhymes and the posturing are perfect. JJJJJJJJJJ, you know this is generous of me to agree with jjyou. JJJ.B. | ||
| hch Citizen Username: Hch Post Number: 289 Registered: 8-2002 |
Best voice ever in rap without a doubt.... Chuck D. | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 762 Registered: 7-2004 |
Luther Campbell and the 2 Live Crew?!?!?! "Heeeeeeeeeeeyyyyy, we want some P****!" "Face down, a** up. That's the way we like to f***!" Classics!!  | ||
| Phenixrising Citizen Username: Phenixrising Post Number: 1772 Registered: 9-2004 |
How about BIG Daddy Kane, Big Poppa?  | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 765 Registered: 7-2004 |
Yes, like me, but with a high top fade! | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 4622 Registered: 7-2001 |
Eric B and Rakim EPMD | ||
| Tom N Citizen Username: Tjn Post Number: 147 Registered: 3-2005  |
Here is a guy who hasn't been mentioned that may have made a name for himself in LA but was born in Newark.  | ||
| Greeneyes Citizen Username: Greeneyes Post Number: 813 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ice-T was born in a hospital in Newark, but never lived there. He grew up in Summit( can you imagine?) and moved to LA after the death of his parents. A dude named Tracy who grew up on the hard streets of Summit. Now that's one bad mutha! | ||
| HOMMELL Citizen Username: Hommell Post Number: 265 Registered: 11-2005 |
KRS-One, Guru, Chuck D, Redman, Keith Murray, Erick Sermon, Q-Tip, Phife Dawg, etc. Oh, and the Real Roxanne, maybe the Fat Boys, the Rappin' Duke | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1339 Registered: 1-2006 |
The Rappin' Duke!  "Da ha da ha. Da ha ha ha ha ha." While we're reviewing that period, "JAM ON IT."  J.B. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1623 Registered: 10-2004 |
and Slick Rick... | ||
| HOMMELL Citizen Username: Hommell Post Number: 266 Registered: 11-2005 |
Slick Rick before he went to prison | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 4630 Registered: 7-2001 |
"Cinderfella" Dana Dane And who can forget the Fat Boys video version of Hard Core Reggae | ||
| Arnomation Citizen Username: Arnomation Post Number: 627 Registered: 7-2003  |
Johnny Van der Meer pitched back to back No-Hitters. A record that will probably never be broken since to break it you'd need to pitch three No-Hitters in a row | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 1626 Registered: 10-2004 |
Didnt he make "Money and Ho's" for Def Jam? | ||
| HOMMELL Citizen Username: Hommell Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2005 |
Krush Groove | ||
| Parkbench87 Citizen Username: Parkbench87 Post Number: 4641 Registered: 7-2001 |
Joeski Love doing "The Pee Wee Herman" |
