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     Larry Seltzer Citizen Username: Elvis Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2006  |
I went over to the Clerk's office and picked these up. They are unofficial until certified by the county clerk, but I know they're correct because they're the same numbers I hacked into the voting machines yesterday. Incidentally, Nancy and Lester have a district map on their web site if you want to see what the numbers correspond to.
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| Larry Seltzer Citizen Username: Elvis Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2006 |
Now with absentee results! (And the clerk tells me that there were no write-in votes, in spite of the new convenience in doing so.)
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| Dave Supporter Username: Dave  Post Number: 9765 Registered: 4-1997  |
Thanks, Larry | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| marian Citizen Username: Marian Post Number: 804 Registered: 9-2001 |
So taking into account the absentee ballots, that makes the spread between Kathy and Nancy 58, not 28 votes. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2578 Registered: 5-2001 |
How do you get that conclusion from those figures? There were 20 absentee ballots cast for Kathy and the same number cast for Nancy, according to the above chart. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9767 Registered: 4-1997 |
fuzzy math | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1136 Registered: 6-2001 |
Larry, Do you have the number of voters who showed up at the polls? Thanks. TomR | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jem Citizen Username: Jem Post Number: 1561 Registered: 5-2001 |
If you look at the relative positions in all the districts of the candidates, that is who finished in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th place, an interesting picture emerges: Nancy Adams finished 1st in 10 districts, 2nd in 5 districts, 3rd in 4 districts and 4th in 2 districts. Kathy Leventhal finished 1st in 5 districts, 2nd in 4 districts, 3rd in 2 districts and 4th in 10 districts Ken Pettis finished 1st in 4 districts, 2nd in 3 districts, 3rd in 12 districts, 4th in 1 district Lester Lewis-Powder finished 1st in 4 districts, 2nd in 8 districts, 3rd in 5 districts and 4th in 4 districts So Nancy and Lester had more 1st and 2nd place results, but where Ken and Kathy won their 1st and 2nd place positions, there were more votes over all. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| oots Citizen Username: Oots Post Number: 407 Registered: 6-2001 |
so, if we had an electoral college-Nancy would have won!! oots | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7966 Registered: 5-2001  |
Yeah, but the closest thing we have to Supremes is traffic court. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Larry Seltzer Citizen Username: Elvis Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2006 |
Sorry, they didn't provide turnout numbers. They may have more later, they were still getting numbers together for distribution when I picked these up. I do have some of the other election results, like Menendez and all that, but didn't bother to post them. Maybe if I find myself with nothing to do. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Andrew Zorn Citizen Username: Andrewzorn Post Number: 201 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hi jem, That is interesting. You make me realize something I have never understood (what a surprise, I know). Do all of the districts have roughly the same number of voters? I ask because, if so, turn-out seems uneven. If not, then it seems it would pay to campaign more in certain districts. (Never mind the district numbering system. I assume that's because districts were added over time and they didn't want to renumber every time one was added.) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 1083 Registered: 2-2002 |
Good work Larry. I used your numbers. Here is a different way for people to see the numbers. The color key is drawn from a percentage that each "team" took as a percentage of the total votes cast in each district, (not voters, -but votes CAST), and represented as a percentage of either blue or yellow. (thus a lot of green) NOTE: The black numbers under each district number represent the total (pre-absentee) votes cast, (not voters). -(although if you simply divide each number by 2 -you obviously have a pretty good idea of the number of people that voted in each district).  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jem Citizen Username: Jem Post Number: 1562 Registered: 5-2001 |
Turn-out is uneven but District 2 is the biggest district AND it turns out in large numbers most reliably. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1925 Registered: 5-2001 |
Andrew - Turn-out is uneven between the districts, and numbers of registered voters vary between districts. I think District 2 is the biggest - coming in with a little over 1,000 voters. Districts 7 and 8 have roughly 650 voters apiece. The smallest district (14?) has a little under 500 voters. Most districts have around 500-700 voters. The thing I find interesting about this election's results district-by-district is while turnout is high in some districts (esp. 7, 8, and 2) it's been declining steadily across all districts for the past 3 years. The rain last night might have been a factor in lowering turnout, but that wouldn't explain why it declined last year too. I don't know the answers, I suppose it's a combination of factors, but I think the negative campaigning has something to do with it. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9772 Registered: 4-1997 |
Or another way to view it given that green/blue is a tough colorblind combo:  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9773 Registered: 4-1997 |
that's interesting and likely tied to the increased negativity in elections. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1926 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, I did some exit polls today and that seems to be the consensus among dog owners.  I have to find my charts for district turnout from the last 4 years - I'm going on memory here - but certain districts that were iron-clad for Pettis-Leventhal 3 years ago have reduced their support by huge numbers - and it's not just turn-out. The primaries are getting crazy expensive, and the victories are shaking out to a handful of votes. Ken and Kathy were challenged by candidates who were virtually unknown and they were almost defeated - you could make a case that Nancy and Lester's parking flyer lost the race, or the non-endorsement by Corzine convinced 50 people. I don't know. I do know that the town is once again split - and that is not good for our town and does not bode well for healthy governance. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9779 Registered: 4-1997 |
Here's the traditional red-state/blue-state map  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 1084 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dear Dave, I try to show a simple map of the results and what do you do? Wrong again. Get over it. Ask Jerry for a hug. He's a big boy. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2580 Registered: 5-2001 |
steel care to comment about jem's analysis besides making hugging suggestions? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1137 Registered: 6-2001 |
How many registered voters do we have in Maplewood? TomR | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| FN Citizen Username: Chief_1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are there any results available on the District Leader race? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9780 Registered: 4-1997 |
What was "wrong again"? Which Jerry? What are you talking about? Are you ok? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1928 Registered: 5-2001 |
Steel, Here's where you lost me and any bit of support I had left for Ken Pettis - it was your open letter on MOL and this struck me:
You phrased that off the cuff - but you were playing the race card and by proxy the poverty card AND positioning yourself as the "I'm so liberal I'm friends with poor black people" cheerleader. It's similar to Steve Colbert's ironic pictures with his Black/Puerto Rican/Gay friends - but without the irony. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1138 Registered: 6-2001 |
Chief, The County Clerk's office hasn't yet posted the election results on its web site, and though I've asked one of the candidates for the information, he hasn't yet had the opportunity to get back to me. If you find out the results somewhere, let us know. TomR | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9781 Registered: 4-1997 |
Steel without Irony? There's a joke in here somewhere. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1929 Registered: 5-2001 |
TomR - The County Clerk attended several Ken and Kathy campaign meetings and was gunning for the K &K line. Don't hold your breath. A little bird tells me that K & K will be just fine. A note to the K & K team - maybe they won, or maybe not, but it's not a slippery slope, it's once you tell a lie, you're a liar. I'm so disappointed with all of you - really. I thought you were the good guys. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1139 Registered: 6-2001 |
Lydia, WHAT are you talking about? TomR | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| FN Citizen Username: Chief_1 Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2006 |
Will do Tom. I read in the Ledger today that Vic said 20 seats are secured. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1930 Registered: 5-2001 |
TomR - I don't know what your "WHAT?" is whating - I'll answer if I can if you boil it down. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| bottomline Citizen Username: Bottomline Post Number: 436 Registered: 8-2003 |
Lydia, You are only partly correct about the shift in turnout for the Democratic primaries in recent years. The table below shows approximate turnout for each of the contested primaries since 2001. (Huemer ran unopposed in 2004.) I’m trusting my memory on 2001; for the other years I have data at hand. I deliberately rounded the totals to the nearest one hundred to highlight the trends. Note that turnout increased for a few years before decreasing sharply this year. Why? I suppose one might conclude that DeLuca and/or Profeta have the star power to attract larger turnouts (but I’m not sure I’d buy that notion). It may well be the negativity you cited – that certainly didn’t increase turnout. Personally, however, I suspect this year’s election was fated for low turnout before the campaigning even started because the general public is just plain tired of the infighting. All the best, - TC
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| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 1085 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dear Dave, I would really love to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your lovely map but you have not been exactly nice to me or others of late who chose to question your political wisdom. Surely a wise soul such as you knows that the "traditional" red and blue map has for years been used to represent republicans vs democrats. -A seemingly implied slur in the wake of other recent slurs, (else why trouble to go beyond your black and white version.) Thousands of Maplewood democratic voters (the people you elected to carelessly called "zombies), voted for their choice of the winning democrats yesterday and they surely do not deserve to have their choices re-mapped by you in such a fashion. If indeed you where just trying to be additionally helpful to the large colorblind population of Maplewood by making an otherwise redundant map I will certainly apologize though I am still waiting for an apology from you having accused me of an uncited "untruth" days ago which may be why I am a bit testy with you. Dear Lydia, regarding your quote of mine from my endorsement of Ken I thank you. You made me smile after being crabby with Dave. This is what I like about politics, -such passionate intersting people. As a newly elected district leader duly elected by democrats I look forward to more of the same including more discussions with my new Republican pal (gasp) Bart in November. It's a great country. The arts, family, friends and politics. I am truly blessed. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1140 Registered: 6-2001 |
Lydia, I was wondering why you addressed me at all. I was wondering about your slander of Mr. Durkin. I was wondering if you converse with birds often. I was wondering what lie you are attributing to Mr. Pettis and Ms. Leventhal. I was wondering whether you are challenged in ways beyond your reading comprehension. I responded to another poster who inquired as to the County Committee Member election results. What are you talking about? TomR | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 5671 Registered: 3-2002 |
Lower turn-out because people are fed up locally and there wasnt any glitzy primary race heading up the ticket on the state or national level. A number of people I spoke with said they didnt want to vote, or were going to vote reluctantly or were only voting for one person. Because of the first reason listed for lower turn-out, Im sure theres talk of a Democratic party reunification committee being formed. The committee, after meeting a number of times, will tell the faction leaders that it really is up to them to get along and cut the crap. The committee recommendations therefor will most likely not be implemented. The beat goes on (and it is beat) until we elect candidates independent of "Wrestlemania 07040". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9783 Registered: 4-1997 |
Steel, I think you need the hug. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 1086 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dave, are you offering? Because I'm liberal but I'm not sure I'm THAT liberal. (not that there's anything wrong with that). -and anyway, I'm quite fine really. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9784 Registered: 4-1997 |
As a newly elected DL, what is your opinion about Mr. Marchman's missive regarding David and Vic not being friends of "colored people". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9785 Registered: 4-1997 |
tick tock tick tock your constituents are listening | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1931 Registered: 5-2001 |
TomR - I didn't "slander" Durkin - he attended several meetings for Ken and Kathy, and he is in charge of counting up the provisionary ballots, write-ins, and absentee ballots, and he's the County Clerk. I know a handful of people who told me they did write-ins - they must be liars. 
K and K lied about the Corzine endorsement for one. Then they sorta lied about only raising taxes a little. K and K put out a referendum that they didn't stand behind and made the taxpayers raise their own taxes without understanding what they voted for. |
