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steel
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Username: Steel

Post Number: 1087
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 8:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, (wow time pressure).

OK, -Frankly I didn't understand the part about "not being friends of people of color" even though as Lydia pointed out: "I'm so liberal I'm friends with poor black people", (actually only rich black people, I mean I can't been seen with just ANYONE).

Seriously, not only did I not understand it but I thought it was unnecessary given the context of the mailer discussion. Beyond that, as someone else mentioned, I think it was quite clear that he was just pissed off about the insipid parking mailer.

Did you expect a different answer from me and was it fast enough for you? Do I get a hug now?
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Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction

Post Number: 641
Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lest I be drawn and quartered, everything I have read here on MOL about your election leads me to conclude:

1) People felt more comfortable about the incumbents or less comfortable about their challengers, take your pick.

2) People would prefer Profeta as your Mayor, rather than Huemer at this time.

Things can always change as they have in MSH over the past three years,so everyone gets another chance.

Might I suggest that the losers' supporters suck it up and stop treating their fellow democrats like they treat George Bush, and the winners reach out to and consider the opinions of those that opposed them? Otherwise you are going to have lots of acrimony for a very long time.
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Dave
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Username: Dave


Post Number: 9786
Registered: 4-1997


Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When you say you "don't understand it" what does that mean? You don't understand the words or the motivation? I understand both plainly.

(that's a rhetorical question)
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Lydia
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Username: Lydial

Post Number: 1932
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steel;


Quote:

"I'm so liberal I'm friends with poor black people", (actually only rich black people, I mean I can't been seen with just ANYONE).

Seriously, not only did I not understand it but I thought it was unnecessary given the context of the mailer discussion. Beyond that, as someone else mentioned, I think it was quite clear that he was just pissed off about the insipid parking mailer.




I guess.

Except you wrote about your poor black friend before the parking mailer.
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Wendy
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Username: Wendy

Post Number: 2584
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm trying to decide if I have more of a problem with people who spell the word where they lost something as "loose" or with people who put commas before parenthesis. It's probably a toss-up. But if it comes down to those factors in deciding who to vote for I'll probably nix the parenthesis before loosing it.

Of course I've already made up my mind as to which faction has been the cause of the greatest rift. That was a no-brainer.

Wendy Lauter
Proud resident of District 19, Maplewood, NJ
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The Dub
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Username: Hill_16

Post Number: 14
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess its going to take "Bart" Albini to make the maplecrats one big happy family until next year
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Wendy
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Username: Wendy

Post Number: 2587
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh yes. We on MOL will always be willing to take advice from someone named the The Dub. You can bet our grandchildren's environment and security on that one.
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TomR
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Username: Tomr

Post Number: 1141
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lydia,

I'm sorry I attempted to engage you.

You want to play the ever popular MOL game of post-election political bashing. I didn't play before the election; and now, its not only not my cup of tea, but its pointless as well.

I rose to your bait. I just should have asked why you addressed me specifically.

In parting, I will leave you, and the others here, with some food for thought.

You were incorrect in your earlier posting that the town is once again split.

Yesterday's election results make it very clear that most registered voters in Maplewood are of a like mind. After all, The overwhelming majority expressed the same thought.

They didn't care enough to cast a ballot.

Do good, fare well.

TomR
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The Dub
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Username: Hill_16

Post Number: 15
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wendy you may know your grammar but you obviously don't know the difference between an observation and advice.

Here is some free advice - chill out

Also Al Gore has a lot to say about the environment and your grandchildren won't be around for it but thats another forum

Rub a Dub Dub
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ajc
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Username: Ajc

Post Number: 5164
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"As a newly elected district leader duly elected by democrats..."

Congrats and very best wishes Steel. Sorry I missed you on Tuesday. If I knew you were coming I would have had breakfast waiting for you...
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steel
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Username: Steel

Post Number: 1088
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I should really follow Tom's example as regards Lydia and additionally Dave (particularly since this thread started with a few simple references to election results) but briefly;

Lydia, What ARE you trying to say? Now you're quoting a quote that I quoted from you paraphrasing what you thought I said which not only was wrong to begin with but is now totally irrelevant, a joke in it's original form and obvious to everyone I'm sure who read it particularly Ken who I know for sure. It that sounds confusing now you know how Tom and I feel.

Dave, I'd like to play some more but I'm afraid that I can't be troubled to provide you with any more answers until you are able to do any of the like in kind.

You have of late grown the habit of treating posters and particularly others that you refer to outside these boards with a great deal of disrespect, -ignoring what would be inconvenient for you to confront while asking others to respond to whatever minutiae you mysteriously believe advances whatever is it you're after. I'm not going to be forced to play by your rules as the price of participation when you refuse to lead by example. We have grown to expect it from others who make a caricature of themselves but not from you. The tenor of the board would be more even-keeled and thus long-term sustainable if you held yourself accountable to the same rules that you expect others to oblige in response to you. People can easily participate in this town without participating on MOL.

Still, you will not harsh my mellow.

Kudos to Ken and Kathy for carrying the day and kudos to Nancy and Lester for stepping up to such an endeavor.

PS: Thanks Art!
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johnny
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Username: Johnny

Post Number: 1631
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Assuming everyone votes for two candidates, just add up all the votes and divide by two.
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Bob K
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 11759
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The District results show that K and K did well in Districts with a large turnout and in their "home" districts that voted at Clinton School. In Districts with low turnout the Maplewood Dems did much better. As I said on election day they tend to be true believers and get to the polls.

If Bottomline's turnout figures are correct just 2500 voters will determine who will sit on the TC. I believe there are around 12000 registered voters in Maplewood. If history holds, the general election in November will be just a formality.

While ugly, I think Marchman's comment about Vic and Jerry has to be taken in context of a lot of bad blood between the CCR and those two gentlemen.







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C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille

Post Number: 2647
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Johnny, you can't assume that everyone votes for two people. I learned last year that a bullet (single) vote sometimes carries more weight. I chose to do that again this year and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Dave
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Username: Dave


Post Number: 9790
Registered: 4-1997


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bob,
Where did Marchman comment about Jerry?
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Lydia
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Username: Lydial

Post Number: 1933
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steel,


Quote:

a joke in it's original form and obvious to everyone I'm sure who read it particularly Ken who I know for sure. It that sounds confusing now you know how Tom and I feel.




Steel,

I think you "joke" when you know that you're crossing a line - but I could be over-thinking it. Sometimes a banana is just a banana.

TomR -

Look, I didn't like it when Vic and Jerry played fast and loose with the truth (and I was outspoken then) and I don't like it when K & K do the same. Actually, I'm much more disappointed when Ken and Kathy aren't truthful because I knocked on a lot of doors for them 3 years ago, and I urged my friends to vote for them because I thought they were both independent thinkers and reformers.
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Bob K
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 11763
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, he didn't. Jerry is no longer holding office here. I should have said Vic and David. However, I was focusing on the days when the CCR was viewed as a power base for those (mainly Fred and Ken) who were viewed (correctly) as a potential threat for control of the TC. At that point Jerry was a TC member and the Mayor.


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Larry Seltzer
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Username: Elvis

Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2006


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

More Numbers

This is the same table as above with turnout numbers added. All this is still unofficial until certified by the county.

DistrictLocationPettisLeventhalAdamsLewis-PowderAlbini# Voters# Registered% Voting
1Town Hall636665641314863323.38%
2MFD1251334440417897518.26%
3Town Hall67558670815084517.75%
4Clinton57534952911762518.72%
5Tuscan46416055610963217.25%
6Town Hall504274681013568219.79%
7Morrow10410636331115376420.03%
8Morrow15113847311219967829.35%
9DeHart1814384056344614.13%
10Clinton5248292548661813.92%
11DeHart40376666911684713.70%
12DeHart2727525068853716.39%
13DeHart403863591312688414.25%
14Clinton3732384458740321.59%
15Tuscan64588671715358326.24%
16Clinton4146484179960816.28%
17MFD10310381701119878425.26%
19Tuscan55468468413657923.49%
20Tuscan31247472610961017.87%
21DeHart3335475059171412.75%
22Clinton88893540513563721.19%
Absentee232020150
TOTAL131512511222112416026761408419.00%
Percent26.77%25.47%24.88%22.88%NA


Looks like district 2's secret is not high turnout but high registration.

Here's the same table sorted by turnout % descending:

DistrictLocationPettisLeventhalAdamsLewis-PowderAlbini# Voters# Registered% Voting
8Morrow15113847311219967829.35%
15Tuscan64588671715358326.24%
17MFD10310381701119878425.26%
19Tuscan55468468413657923.49%
1Town Hall636665641314863323.38%
14Clinton3732384458740321.59%
22Clinton88893540513563721.19%
7Morrow10410636331115376420.03%
6Town Hall504274681013568219.79%
4Clinton57534952911762518.72%
2MFD1251334440417897518.26%
20Tuscan31247472610961017.87%
3Town Hall67558670815084517.75%
5Tuscan46416055610963217.25%
12DeHart2727525068853716.39%
16Clinton4146484179960816.28%
13DeHart403863591312688414.25%
9DeHart1814384056344614.13%
10Clinton5248292548661813.92%
11DeHart40376666911684713.70%
21DeHart3335475059171412.75%
Absentee232020150
TOTAL131512511222112416026761408419.00%
Percent26.77%25.47%24.88%22.88%NA
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crabby
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Username: Crabbyappleton

Post Number: 656
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

District 8 puts out.
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Larry Seltzer
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Username: Elvis

Post Number: 28
Registered: 4-2006


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In case anyone wants it, here's the Excel sheet I used to build this
application/vnd.ms-excel2006 Maplewood Primary Results Excel Sheet
2006 Maplewood Primary Results.xls (26.1 k)
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bottomline
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Username: Bottomline

Post Number: 437
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This may be insider baseball -- and I’m definitely indulging my inner geek -- but I think this analysis reveals a lot about both the turnout and the results in Tuesday’s election.

This table compares Democratic voter turnout between this primary election and last year’s. Overall turnout was down this year, as we already know. But some districts were down much more than others. The table presents the number of Democratic voters in the primary for this year and last, then calculates the ratio as a percentage. Finally, it is sorted by this percentage, in descending order.

At the top we see that District 14 turned out almost as many Dems as last year (93%). On the other hand, at the bottom, we see that Districts 9 and 11 barely turned out half as many voters as last year (51% each).

I will leave as an exercise for the reader to how these relative turnouts affected the results of this year’s election.

DistrictLocation2005 Dem voters2006 Dem voters2005/2006 (%)
14Clinton88 8293%
15Tuscan167 14687%
17MFD220 18785%
8Morrow224 18783%
22Clinton157 13083%
1Town Hall165 13582%
7Morrow177 14280%
19Tuscan172 13277%
2MFD227 17477%
4Clinton143 10876%
10Clinton111 8274%
16Clinton128 9272%
6Town Hall178 12570%
5Tuscan152 10368%
3Town Hall216 14266%
12DeHart130 8263%
21DeHart140 8661%
20Tuscan168 10361%
13DeHart199 11357%
9DeHart113 5851%
11DeHart209 10751%
TOTALS3,484 2,516 72%




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Phil Legree
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Username: Fil

Post Number: 33
Registered: 5-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Larry, do you have the district leader numbers? Could you post them?

Thanks

[never mind. I see 'em in the spreadsheet]
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TomR
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Username: Tomr

Post Number: 1143
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lydia,

I won't engage with you again on this topic.

Enjoy your "lies" and scurrilous accusations and, ...... have a nice day.

TomR
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TomR
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Username: Tomr

Post Number: 1144
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 1:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bottomline & Larry

Thanks for providing the data. I was commin

Larry,

I think I understand what you've done above.

But for the sake of clarity; it appears that the '05 and '06 Dem voters columns reflect the number of people voting for a Democratic candidate; and not the number of persons registered as Democrats who voted.

Please confirm.

If I am correct, and if you have the numbers for registered Democrats, could you provide same.

Thanks again to you both.

TomR
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Lydia
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Username: Lydial

Post Number: 1934
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 1:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TomR -

That's the 2nd or 3rd time You've said you won't engage me - fine.

However, you haven't come up with one fact to support that K and K didn't lie.

Or why Chris Durkin shouldn't recuse himself - if only to avoid the appearance of not playing above board.

Now back to the district numbers - which are pretty interesting in a recent historical context (past 4 or 5 years)

Dist. 1 has always been a wash for both sides, it has good turnout and both sides work it hard to usually come out with 4 or 5 votes for one side or another.

Dist. 17 is usually in the top 3 with turnout, and has been a landslide for Profeta/K and K - until this year. While K and K picked up 20/30 votes - the split is beginning to creep up to a wash, like Dist. 1.

Dist 7 & 8 are still consistent - they bring a lot of votes for Profeta, and hover around 40-50 votes for the other side.

So that't the big turnout districts.

The lower turnout districts have been picking up 10-20 votes in every district and that's what's going to tip the scales one way or the other in the next election I predict.

The 150-200 voter turnout districts are reliably going to the polls and we know with the exception of 17 where the votes are - but the low turnout districts are still close, and still without an obvious "tipping point" like 2,7 and 8.

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Dave
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Post Number: 9798
Registered: 4-1997


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 1:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I will not engage you" reminds me of this guy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EsYRQkmVifg&search=bus%20uncle

(subtitles are not work-safe)
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ajc
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Username: Ajc

Post Number: 5166
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 1:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I thought they were both independent thinkers and reformers."

What has really changed your mind Lydia?

Do you want us to believe they're playing fast and loose with the truth?

Why are you more disappointed with Ken and Kathy than Vic and Jerry?

Is it because you urged friends to vote for them, or other reasons?

Has this also re-changed your mind and support for Vic, David, and Jerry?

In your view do you still hold out hope for K&K?



The reason I'm interested in where you're coming from is because I thought you had a lot of balls taking the position you did during the election two years ago. Actually, I think you have a lot to offer our town, and I'm sorry to see how you have backed away from your active role in local politics.

FWIW, I can still see K&K as independent thinkers and reformers, whereas, V&D are nothing more than kjhsfoiifvoh, paljhvhbuh, and zzjhvskiika!!!

Finally, I find more often than not, their (V&D) stands on many issues before the committee are very much out of balance. Often I fail to see them looking at the overall best choices for our community as a whole, and I find them to be increasingly politically one sided and self-serving.
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Larry Seltzer
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Username: Elvis

Post Number: 29
Registered: 4-2006


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 1:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TomR,

>>But for the sake of clarity; it appears that the '05 and '06 Dem voters columns reflect the number of people voting for a Democratic candidate; and not the number of persons registered as Democrats who voted.

First, this was Bottomline, not me, but I'll be the first to say that I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make. This is about primaries so only registered democrats could vote.
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Admiral_dewey
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Username: Admiral_dewey

Post Number: 26
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 2:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Finally, I find more often than not, their (V&D) stands on many issues before the committee are very much out of balance. Often I fail to see them looking at the overall best choices for our community as a whole, and I find them to be increasingly politically one sided and self-serving".

This statement is wrong as the results of the election show. Running off the party line the "Maplewood Democrats" won almost half of the District Leader seats. Nancy Adams or Lester Lewis-Powder were the top vote getters in 14 of 22 districts or 63.6% of the districts.

Finally, five districts }or 22% of all the districts in Maplewood overwhelmingly supported Kathy and Ken. Due to the outstanding turnout in these areas Ken and Kathy won the election. However it is becoming increasingly clear that these five districs are the areas of Maplewood that are out of balance.
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Bob K
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Post Number: 11764
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Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 3:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Admiral,

The question is why did some districts have relatively high turnout (if you can call 25% high) and others didn't. If you look at the figures Larry posted K&K built up big margins in the districts with turnout over 20% and A&LP built up big margins in the districts with low turnout. I don't think that very many would argue that Profeta's base is in the west and Vic's/David's is in the east. However, I still think a higher turnout in the east would have been to K&K's advantage.

Vic and David have an energized base among those who consider themselves "progressives" as opposed to merely "liberal" and as I said before these people are going to make it to the polls come hell or high water (or snow storms). A few years ago the Profetanistas were able to generate that kind of enthusiasm when they defeated DeLuca and Ryan. For all sorts of reasons, including apathy they can no longer do this.

An interesting point is that the Maplewood Democrats won fewer District Leader races than A&LP won districts, by my count at least.

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TomR
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Post Number: 1146
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 3:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Larry,

Sorry about that. It was Bottomline to whom I should addressed that part of the post. Sometimes I write fast, sometimes, half fast. (Say it out loud).

Non-aligned voters can vote in primaries, or the people at my polling place made a big mistake in letting me in that voting booth.

Sorry again if I caused any confusion.

TomR
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crabby
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Username: Crabbyappleton

Post Number: 657
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 3:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"However it is becoming increasingly clear that these five districs are the areas of Maplewood that are out of balance."

What does that mean? Out of balance? with what?
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ajc
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Username: Ajc

Post Number: 5168
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Nancy Adams or Lester Lewis-Powder were the top vote getters in 14 of 22 districts..."

Get real! Don't talk to us about Nancy and Lester like they were the top vote getters... please!

Listen, without Vic and David's money and support they wouldn't have received enough signatures on their petitions to even get on the ballot...
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bottomline
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Username: Bottomline

Post Number: 438
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TomR,

Larry is correct: only registered party members can vote in primary elections. Non-aligned voters can, indeed, vote in primaries because they are allowed to declare their party affiliation at the poll. If you were unaffiliated when you went to the poll, the election staff asked you for a party affiliation before you voted. They recorded that choice and you are now registered with that party -- you are no longer unaffiliated.


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Hank Zona
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Post Number: 5677
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Listen, without Vic and David's money and support they wouldn't have received enough signatures on their petitions to even get on the ballot...

actually, without Vic and David's parking spot mailing, they might have won.
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bottomline
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Username: Bottomline

Post Number: 439
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Admiral et al,

You need to be careful about reading too much into the notion of “winning” of districts. These are municipal election districts of unequal population whose boundaries were fixed many years ago. The elections for Township Committee, on the other hand, are at-large across the whole town.

We analysts, pundits and political junkies like to use the district data because it’s the only geographic data we’ve got for election returns. It can provide much insight into voting patterns throughout the town. It would be wrong, however, to conclude that something is “out of balance” because the winning candidates prevailed in only five districts. The winning candidates won a majority of votes throughout the whole town. (Although, this time around, it was a very slim majority, to be sure.)


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ajc
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Username: Ajc

Post Number: 5169
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"...without Vic and David's parking spot mailing, they might have one."


Hey, it's about time they did something right...
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Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial

Post Number: 1935
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hank -

True dat.

re: huge turnout in some districts. I've gone over the district turnout so many times, and IMO there's a significant corrollation between hard-working district leaders (they pound the pavement, stay in touch with their constuancies all year, send mailers, and pound the pavement some more)

Districts 7,8,17,2, 19 and 1 have at least 1 and often 2 excellent district leaders, and the turnout reflects their effectiveness.

If you look at 17 which has had DL turnover and no DL for a few months, it shows with this year's numbers compared to the last 2-3 years.
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bottomline
Citizen
Username: Bottomline

Post Number: 440
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hank,

Your point is well taken. For a close election, it's interesting to speculate about which factors tipped the balance. Here we are talking about a mere 30 votes difference compared to the 1,250 or so needed to win. Fascinating.


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Admiral_dewey
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Username: Admiral_dewey

Post Number: 27
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sir,

Look at the results. I indicated Kathy and Ken won the election due to high turnout in districts 2,7, 8, 17, and 22. However, Nancy or Lester received more votes in over 63% of the Maplewood districts. Those are just the facts.

More importantly, what does this mean. Only time will tell.

Now about your statement:

"Listen, without Vic and David's money and support they wouldn't have received enough signatures on their petitions to even get on the ballot"...

How do you know how much money Vic and David contributed? I would imagine that many individuals contributed to Nancy and Lester's campaign.

As far as support we all know that Kathy and Ken recieved support and money from Fred. So what? All candidates get money and support from people who believe in them.

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