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     Fruitcake Citizen Username: Fruitcake Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2003 |
Joel, wake up. It's all just been a dream and you’re really Jerry Ryan! | ||
| Ed May Citizen Username: Edmay Post Number: 1764 Registered: 9-2001  |
DAVE Now that Kathy and Ken have their website corrected to reflect the fact that the next election is on November 4th (although they call November 4th "Primary Day") and have stopped running against Vic and Jerry, can we please start debating them on your official MOL Candidate Thread? We stand for: BALANCED GOVERNMENT FOCUS ON MAPLEWOOD LOWER TAXES BETTER SERVICES TOTAL QUALITY MANAGEMENT and they do not let the debates begin! Ed May | ||
| cutter Citizen Username: Cutter Post Number: 226 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hmmm... Ed, are you saying Ken and Kathy stand for unbalanced government, focus on (insert town other than Maplewood), higher taxes, worse services and NO TQM? Wow. Thanks for the heads up. | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2167 Registered: 5-2001  |
Cutter's back on the message board! Dave, I think that's one of the "Seven Warning Signs of an Election." Mr. May is correct, it is time for the official online debate. I still don't understand TQM, though, but I don't have a head for business ... | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 1935 Registered: 9-2001 |
and they do.... or do not? I believe the point here is what do they stand for? I can remember back when members of our governing body thought it was fashionable to be open, candid, and commutative on MOL with the thousands of residents in Maplewood who get on-line! Q. Why has it changed? Q. Is it corny, trivial, and no longer important to be so approachable? Q. Do the Democrats just feel the election is already in the bag? Q. Is it because Maplewood’s Democratic politicians don't feel it's necessary anymore to be accountable to questions that openly address our concerns for achieving the following Republican goals? Q. Do five Dems represent BALANCED GOVERNMENT? Q. How will they FOCUS ON MAPLEWOOD? Q. How will they LOWER TAXES? Q. How will they bring BETTER SERVICES? Q. Do they agree with TOTAL QUALITY MANAGEMENT? Personally, I feel anyone who wants to be a public servant, needs to make themselves totally available to the public. The best way to do this in our community is by answering questions and responding to the issues raised on Maplewood On-line. The next time you run into a member of the township committee, or any of the candidates running this year, ask them why they don’t post on line. Ask them if it’s because they’re to busy, or feel they’re to important, or worst that people who post on line are just a bunch of jerks… The answer you get now is probably what you can expect in the future. One more thing to think about, if anyone says they’re willing to talk to anyone one on one, it’s IMO, just another cop out! That’s not being accessible. PS: Dave, Nohero is right. It's time for the single most watched, respected, and important debate of the whole campaign.... Lets get it on! | ||
| Ed May Citizen Username: Edmay Post Number: 1766 Registered: 9-2001 |
No Hero The essence of Total Quality Management is using: organized teams of managers and employees who have been trained in basic TQM tools to identify and solve problems which results in lower costs and better services. Basic TQM tools include: checklists bar charts histograms pareto analyses pie charts cause and effect diagrams flowcharts scatter diarams cost benefit analysis There is no rocket science, calculus, or differential equations involved! Ed May | ||
| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 363 Registered: 2-2002 |
Joel, Looks like you weren't dreaming after all. http://www.pettis-leventhal.org/ | ||
| crazyguggenheim Citizen Username: Crazyguggenheim Post Number: 441 Registered: 2-2002  |
Hey, do you think any of those TQM tools are on sale at SEARS? Call me crazy | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 5293 Registered: 5-2001  |
I was waiting for someone to trigger one of the "Seven Warning Signs of an Election." I'll set up debate area tonight. Basic gist will be each side think up 3 questions that they want their opponents to answer and email them to me by 10:10pm on October 10. On 10/11 I'll post them. Then each side gets until October 18 at 10:00pm to send me their responses to all 6 questions (the 3 they asked and the 3 their opponents asked them). I'll post all answers together on 10/19. I'll also e-mail this to each of the candidates. | ||
| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 364 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dave, -Just curious, -since K&K haven't posted here yet are you sure that they will participate? In so doing would they win any more votes and do they need to? I have seen few minds here swayed on any issue, (although now after reading the "fried chicken and ribs" thread I'm starvin'). | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 5296 Registered: 5-2001 |
All I can do is make an invitation and accept answers to post. Only they know what they will or won't do, so I won't speculate. As for "seeing minds"... wow! how do you do that? There are 10 readers for every poster. What are those minds doing? (ok, now I'm hungry) | ||
| Alex Christou Citizen Username: Christou1 Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2003 |
I am relatively new to Maplewood so please forgive my ignorance. What is the big deal about taxes? My taxes are only about 2% the market value of my house which does not seem unreasonable. I also thought that trickle down economics (the premise for lowering taxes) works by returning money back to taxpayers in the hope that they will invest/spend it and in turn generate incremental taxes. This probably works well at the national level, but could this work in a municipality as small as Maplewood? Also should we be arbitrarily cutting our taxes (investments) without understanding the long term ramifications? | ||
| sbenois Citizen Username: Sbenois Post Number: 10253 Registered: 10-2001  |
and they do.... or do not? I believe the point here is what do they stand for? Well they don't stand for dart throwing when it comes to trying to invent, identify and then find solutions for problems I can remember back when members of our governing body thought it was fashionable to be open, candid, and commutative on MOL with the thousands of residents in Maplewood who get on-line! Q. Why has it changed? It's all my fault Arturo. I dumbed down the discourse on MOL. Guilty as charged. Q. Is it corny, trivial, and no longer important to be so approachable? No. But Kathy and Ken seem very approachable. To imply that they're not is rather odd actually. I saw Kathy in front of the Post Office recently and she proudly stepped out of her reserved exterior to tell me that she sold her desk. Like you Arturo, I was both thrilled for her and perplexed by the taste of the new owner. Q. Do the Democrats just feel the election is already in the bag? Yes Q. Is it because Maplewood’s Democratic politicians don't feel it's necessary anymore to be accountable to questions that openly address our concerns for achieving the following Republican goals? Goals should be based upon Maplewood's needs, not this invented Republican/Democrat values nonsense. We all want peace. We all want the best for our kids. We all want lower taxes and more clever, more effective government. Two weeks ago Ed was so threatened by K&K that he chose to identify himself as the "REAL REPUBLICAN" while admitting that Ken had many of the same beliefs. So your assertion here on the Republican values gig is rather bizarro. Q. Do five Dems represent BALANCED GOVERNMENT? If you can get Ed and Joel to explain what the HELL they mean by this semantic nonsense maybe K&K would stop laughing long enough to consider whether it's worthy of an answer. Q. How will they FOCUS ON MAPLEWOOD? Are you under the mistaken impression that they're going to focus on Millburn? Arturo, I do not give you permission to lower yourself into the muck of this silliness. You're too good for that babe. Q. How will they LOWER TAXES? They won't. Neither will Ed and Joel. Please don't dispute me on this. Everyone knows I'm right. Besides, when I run next year against Mr. Huemer, all will become clear. Q. How will they bring BETTER SERVICES? They probably won't be able to. How's that? But they sure have a better shot at it than Ed and Joel who want to lower taxes AND bring better services at the same time. How are E&J going to do these things? It's plain goofy Arturo. Q. Do they agree with TOTAL QUALITY MANAGEMENT? I'm going to guess that intuitively they do. So does everyone else in the universe of local political personalities who are trying to bring Maplewood's cost structure under control with some degree of tax impact predictability. Unlike Ed, they don't need to communicate it through phrases that were on the covers of lots of management magazines that are now defunct. Personally, I feel anyone who wants to be a public servant, needs to make themselves totally available to the public. Very true The best way to do this in our community is by answering questions and responding to the issues raised on Maplewood On-line. Not necessarily. Communication is an art form that demands choosing when to speak and when to be silent. It appears that they are in silence mode as any intelligent politician would be in their situation. Further, if E & J have a problem with these rules, perhaps they shouldn't be politicians. Unt before you jump on me with some defense that says they're NOT politicians, let me assure you that the moment they declared for the TC, they became politicians. Period. It's a funny transformation that is as certain as the flowers blooming in the spring. By the way, if you don't like the rules, the blame should be directed at the leaders of the local Republican Party who seem to lack direction and the can-do attitude needed to recruit voters the other nine months of the year. The next time you run into a member of the township committee, or any of the candidates running this year, ask them why they don’t post on line. Ask them if it’s because they’re to busy, or feel they’re to important, or worst that people who post on line are just a bunch of jerks… Yes we are. God Bless the twelve of us. The answer you get now is probably what you can expect in the future. Probably not. MOL is a superb forum for disseminating information and staging mock debates. It's not a great place when it comes to querying candidates. I've read, reread and absorbed virtually every post on these boards related to candidate debates and answers. They're all pretty much lousy. One more thing to think about, if anyone says they’re willing to talk to anyone one on one, it’s IMO, just another cop out! That’s not being accessible. PS: Dave, Nohero is right. I begrudgingly admit that my former compadre Nohero is correct. K&K should at least check in to get their post counts up It's time for the single most watched, respected, and important debate of the whole campaign.... Lets get it on! Who are you? Marvin Gaye? ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Please check out Fringe's Excellent Website: http://hometown.aol.com/njfabian | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 1936 Registered: 9-2001 |
I think it's closer to 4%, but thanks for trying to make us all feel better Alex...  | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2178 Registered: 5-2001 |
"Former compadre"? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 1937 Registered: 9-2001 |
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| Ed May Citizen Username: Edmay Post Number: 1767 Registered: 9-2001 |
Dave You wrote "Basic gist will be each side think up 3 questions that they want their opponents to answer and email them to me by 10:10pm on October 10." October 10 is my birthday! I was born 10-10-50, which is really cool, because whether you go mm-dd-yy or dd-mm-yy my birthday is the same! The 10:10 PM on 10-10 deadline kind of re-inforces the ten:ten motif. Cool. Suggestion: Why not TEN questions with a fifty word limit to each answer? Seriously. Three questions are not enough. There are at least ten questions we have for Kathy and Ken that will help differentiate their positions from ours. I am sure they have at least ten questions for us also. The fifty word limit is important based on some of the rambling answers posted in the past. What do you say, Dave? Ten questions by 10:10 PM on 10-10? Waiting for at least a TENative answer ....... Ed May | ||
| Joel S. Ziegler Citizen Username: Joelziegler Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2003  |
Oh, the TENsion of waiting for Daver's a!nswer ... Z | ||
| OK, it's Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 662 Registered: 1-2003  |
Alex Christou, here is my poorly aimed stab at an answer to your questions. I have no experience paying property taxes. I lived in rented apartments for all of my 42 years in this identity until June of this year. I have paid one tax bill since being here. I think the big deal for tax payers is that the tax bills rise sharply and often. I can handle my current tax bills because I budgeted them when I moved into this house in June. But I'll probably be complaining before too long, along with everyone else, when my taxes are significantly higher and force me to give up other things in life because they cause a much bigger dent in my budget. One big problem with the federal tax cuts is that the federal government sends direct aid to states, and states send direct aid to counties and towns. This funding is drying up. States, counties and towns have to raise taxes. Our total tax bills are going up even though our federal taxes are going down. Yet the Republicans have duped us into looking at the little picture, so we praise Bush and his puppeteers for giving back the stuff called "our money". When it's time to complain about property taxes, we forget all about the screwed up system and forget to make the connection between the tax cuts and our tax bills. Also, since the economy is down, earned income is down, so income tax revenues are down. Local governments have to raise taxes in response to that. Also, state and local governments cannot run deficits. The federal government can and does. When there is a budget shortfall, raising taxes is not an option, it is an imperative. Not all of this is the Republicans' fault, of course. It's terribly messed up that so much relies on property taxes. This is essentially a regressive tax. It was intended to be progressive, because long ago, only the wealthy owned land. Therefore, land owners were most likely to be able to pay. Now you have working stiffs like you and me paying property taxes. Also, I paid property taxes indirectly, through my rent. California and Oregon have different problems than NJ. In those states, it is illegal to raise property taxes, even if the citizens want to. So the schools are underfunded, and it's illegal to fix that. My cousin is a school teacher in Oregon. She's not happy, and she doesn't know anyone who is. So we don't want to go that way. The schools should not be funded by property taxes. Not only does it place a high and erradic burden on citizens, it assures a system where the quality of education depends highly on which town you live in. This system has no incentive to fix itself. Those who have the power (money and votes) to change it are those who benefit the most from the current system. Tom Reingold There is nothing | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 5297 Registered: 5-2001 |
Debate section is set up. I just sent the debate invitations through private line to all candidates. I copy and pasted the invites, so I called Ed and Joel "Ken"... sorry about that |
