| Author | Message | ||
     Dego Diva Citizen Username: Fmingione Post Number: 165 Registered: 12-2003 |
"Today hardly anyone curbs their dogs anymore." You're kidding, right? First of all, you're dead wrong. I walk my dog several times a day, as do MANY of my Midland Park neighbors. Though I do see the occassional uncleaned mess, our neighborhood is relatively poop-free, thank you. Second, did you really make a statement like that in a thread filled with caring, responsible dog-lovers??? That's like me going into a thread about childcare and saying "most parents are completely careless and incosiderate with their kids in public." I started out appreciating the important questions you raise but I'm starting to feel like you're being less than supportive. | ||
| Joan Citizen Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 4434 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dego Deva: I use the phrase "curb your dog" to mean walking the dog in the gutter rather than along the sidewalk or median. This is the way I was taught to use the phrase. It may have different meanings in different parts of the country. I never meant to imply that dog owners in our community don't pick up after their pets. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4663 Registered: 1-2003  |
Really? Now we're into word play, but what is the gutter? You mean the edge of the street? I don't think "curb your dog" ever meant that dog and owner were supposed to occupy the street while walking. I think it meant make sure your dog uses the edge of the street when "stopping". Do I take you to mean that you feel dog walkers should stay off the sidewalk? | ||
| Joan Citizen Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 4435 Registered: 5-2001 |
No I do not feel that dog walkers should stay off the sidewalk in urban areas such as we have in Maplewood. Walking a dog in the gutter (area in the street closest to the median) is far too dangerous for both dog and human given the amount of traffic we have. I simply offered this as a possible reason why the sign designating a dog walking area might have been posted many years ago by the pool which off Boyden Avenue, a very busy road. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 6926 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think curb your dog goes back to the days before pooper scooper laws when people were asked to make sure that their dog did its duty in the street, not on the sidewalk or someones lawn. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4679 Registered: 1-2003 |
Yes, bobk, I'm fairly certain that's what the word meant. Then when the laws came out, there were signs that said, "curb your dog and clean up after it." | ||
| mwsilva Citizen Username: Mwsilva Post Number: 428 Registered: 5-2002 |
Interesting. Tom, if I read you correctly: You aquired a dog that must have a fenced in yard to run. You can not afford to fence in your back yard. Even if you could fence in your yard, it is too small. A Public buit fenced dog run is very valuable to your needs. Question: Why did you get a dog you can not house properly? And now that you have, why is using public property, thus spending Public money, money from many people who do not own dogs and could care less about dogs, Public money to solve your problem such a great idea? A problem you created for yourself? | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2004 |
I don't really get it. Just 'cause you don't have a dog or have use for a dog run, you have to spend so much of your time and energy preventing others from getting something they want and need? If I don't garden, should I put a stop to the greenhouse in town? If I don't have kids, should I stop the town from having parks and baseball fields, soccer fields and for that matter schools? If I don't use the train, should I stop the town from creating a jitney route? If I live in an apartment, should I have to pay taxes for leaf removal? If I don't play tennis or bacci ball, should those fields be gone? I could go on and on and on. Your argument is baseless. Also, because you don't have a dog, you might not realize that dog runs serve more purposes than just running one's dog. It gives the owner of the dog and any person who enjoys looking at dogs the opportunity to see their dog interacting with other dogs and people. Watching dogs free from their tether in such an open environment makes the animal (and their owner) feel wonderful and full of joy. Such pleasure is what you are actively trying to squash. It certainly says quite a bit about you. | ||
| njphilf Citizen Username: Njphilf Post Number: 149 Registered: 4-2002 |
I love how some arrogant Maplewoodians have no problem in taking public land away from the citizens and giving it to the dogs. These people need to get a life, or have kids. PS Love hearing about the CHS music debacle on 101.5 every morning. Way to go Maplewood! | ||
| Dego Diva Citizen Username: Fmingione Post Number: 168 Registered: 12-2003 |
That was one of the most ignorant, insensitive remarks I have ever seen on MOL. I'm so sorry you live in a tiny little box and think that the whole world revolves around you and your needs. | ||
| johnny Citizen Username: Johnny Post Number: 1139 Registered: 5-2001 |
I would just like to see dog owners actually obey the leash law in Memorial Park. | ||
| mwsilva Citizen Username: Mwsilva Post Number: 429 Registered: 5-2002 |
Dego I agree, Tom R is really out of line with his personal needs to solve his problem with public land and money. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4706 Registered: 1-2003 |
Please reread my post. I said I don't want to use public money. Once you do that, please tell me again if you think I'm out of line. My post is at http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=3132&post=311724#POST3117 24 If I had used the words "without public money" in the topic of the thread, would I have prevented this misunderstanding from happening? | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 6984 Registered: 5-2001 |
The strip of land behind the pool parking lot is not used for anything at present. I think that there should be a user fee for any dog park that is set up, as there is for many other activities. Tom, Mem and others here have adopted retired racing greyhounds. Up to 17,000 of these dogs are euthenized every year. They are the ultimate dead enders if people don't adopt them. | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1557 Registered: 6-2003 |
A few weeks ago I was in Memorial park and let my dog off the leash in the area known as Dog Hill. There was no-one around and my dog was having a ball romping. A woman who was walking on the edge of the park started screaming at me to leash my dog or she would call the cops. I was taken aback as my dog was nowhere near this woman and did not pose a threat to anyone. I also noticed that this woman was with her son (I'm assuming, maybe her grandson, nephew, etc) who was (aghast) riding his bicycle in the park. Now I have been in Memorial Park enough times to know that on the tree that states dogs have to be leashed, is another rule that says Bicycle's cannot be ridden but have to be walked through the park. I told the woman that I would leash my dog when she made her son get off his bicycle. This lovely gem of a person then gave me the finger, took out her cell phone and called the police. A few minutes later a policeman came strolling into the park shaking his head and asking if "This was the vicious dog, was was terrifying the neighborhood while being off his leash" (My dog was wagging his tail wildly and trying to lick the officer), I said it was, leashed my dog and left. The police officer looked really embarrassed in having to do this and just laughed and shook his head. A warning to the jerk who called the police, I have a cell phone too and the next time I see you in the park with your son on a bicycle I will call the police and demand they make your son walk his bike. After all kids on bikes and dogs have no place in public parks, how dare anyone think this. Some people need a life !!!!. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4708 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ukealalio, I don't think two wrongs make a right. You were both violating laws, and you were both rude to each other. I believe that your dog wasn't endangering anyone, but the woman had a right to mention the violation and to ask you to leash your dog. She could have and should have done so more politely. I don't think her rudeness gave you license, either. Forgive me for speaking up to you, though, and I hope what I say is of some use. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4713 Registered: 1-2003 |
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| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 6989 Registered: 5-2001 |
Uke, I don't know if you lived here back in 1999 and 2000 or not. During that period Dog Hill was exactly that. On a Saturday or Sunday morning there would be 25 or more dogs and their owners on the hill. The grass was worn off the hill and the urine stench pretty much rendered the hill unusuable for movies and concerts. That memory sticks with a lot of people. | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1561 Registered: 6-2003 |
Tom-Jaywalking is violating a rule also but most of us do it all the time. I see your point but I don't get the part where I was being rude. She decided to tell me what the rules are and I did the same. She gave me the finger and I ignored her. Maybe ignoring her was rude but she decided to ignore the "Rules" as did I. If this woman wasn't walking with her child who was also violating a park rule , perhaps I would have immediately leashed my dog. One of my failings is, I get obstinate in the face of hypocrisy. My dog is very well behaved as are most of the dogs who roam in Dog Hill. They are mostly off the leash at a time when very few people (beside the dog walkers ) are in the park. Most of the time people ask to play with the dogs, very few make an issue of them being off leash. Agree two wrongs don't make a right but if your gonna be a stickler for rules, you better be following them yourself. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4714 Registered: 1-2003 |
Yes, one should follow the rules before complaining about someone else. So given that she pointed out that you were breaking the rules, you should have complied with the rule first before you pointed out her violation. Yes, she should have also been complying before complaining to you, but that's not in your control. All of the above is according to rules of etiquette, but of course, I was not there, so I did not witness the dynamics between you, and I shouldn't make judgement. However, as an advocate of a dog park, where offleash dogs would be legal, I urge dog owners to be role models, complying with all dog laws, since I don't want us to be seen in a bad light. Your dog may be gentle and harmless, but not everyone will see that, and when you are breaking a leash law, it is not really the other person's duty to understand how harmless your dog is. And there is also the argument that if you did it, others would, too, and we'd have another mess on dog hill again. And that argument has at least a bit of merit. |
