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     Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 3432 Registered: 3-2002 |
"Hey, is "Joan" a thug name, too? Are there "un-thug" names we could strive for?" NoHero, You posed good questions to Reflective but most likely wont get a "fair and balanced" response. Reflective refers to people's nicknames as "typical democrat thug names meant to intimidate". I see the use of "Reflective", by someone who is clearly "refractive", as a typical Republican ploy to use a name or phrase contrary to one's actual tone and manner...like that "fair and balanced" phrase. Then again, he probably believes his own schtick and may actually see his reflection as that of a "compassionate conservative". | ||
| Not-a-Thug Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 4494 Registered: 10-1999  |
Bobk - I think that if you search your prodigious memory, you might find that the closing down of the porn store was a multi-year process, involving some court action by the owner. Just because it's a zoning issue, doesn't mean that something can be shut down with a snap of a finger. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 8552 Registered: 5-2001 |
Who knows? Probably only Bottomline. However, it is equally possible that the then TC didn't want to be viewed as anti-union. That would have got them kicked out of the Idealogues Club of NJ. | ||
| bottomline Citizen Username: Bottomline Post Number: 264 Registered: 8-2003 |
BobK and NoHero both have valid insights here. The refurbishing of the union offices was a significant improvement to that part of Springfield Avenue, even if they misrepresented themselves at their site plan hearing and failed to evict their tenant. Zoning enforcement can sometimes be a lengthy affair. I know first-hand, however, that when Profeta became mayor (three years later) he took an active personal interest in this enforcement issue. - TC | ||
| Lucifer Citizen Username: Lucifer Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2005 |
Breal First of all, are you aware of how negotiations between the town and the PBA occur? The township administer and labor council meet with lawyers and reps from the PBA. No members of the TC are involved at all. The only time the mayor or anyone on the TC gets involved is when the raise is presented for a vote. Furthermore, Profeta inherited arbitration from the previous TC. The contract was still in arbitration when he took office! no one is quoting what happend at the TC meeting where the PBA pres and Deluca supposedly got into an big fight accurately. Until someone gets a copy of the transcript or some other record from that meeting, stop posting bullsh*t. A little aside, how many people actually knew there was a brothel on SA? How did I miss somthing like that. | ||
| Joseph Guglielmo Citizen Username: Plt_guglielmo Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2004 |
Lucifer, I don’t know which of my posts you are referring to when you say in your May 25th 10:21pm post that: “look at Officer Gugliemo's post, the endorsement of Profeta/Grodman was a result of getting a raise”. I have double checked all my posts and find no mention of the arbitrator’s decision having anything to do with the PBA endorsement. I do, in several posts, explain what some of the problems we had with former Mayor Deluca were and why we endorsed Mayor Profeta and Vice Mayor Grodman. Please, if you don’t mind, show me where I stated that our raise was the reason we made our endorsement, maybe I’m missing something. Woodster, what deal? Still waiting… | ||
| breal Citizen Username: Breal Post Number: 512 Registered: 6-2002 |
Lucifer--You asked what concerns the police had with Mr. DeLuca. I said that, based on Officer G.'s post, they apparently didn't like being called cry babies. I said they apparently didn't like the mayor of their town making an inflammatory accusation about them at a public meeting. Sbenois and Woodster both posted to the effect that such an accusation was made. Sbenois almost always tries to be accurate and he usually is accurate, in my observation. His post sounds credible. So I'll say again, since you bring it up: Mr. DeLuca was the mayor of our town. If the things he said were true, the problems should have been fixed, NOT publicized. Was he hoping we would get sued? A mayor should not throw a bomb at his own town. If Mr. DeLuca had evidence that there were racist officers on the force he should have fired them for cause. That would have been justice. That would have been good, grown-up mayoring. That would have been protecting our citizens and our pocketbooks and our reputation. The public accusation achieved none of these objectives. It was just "sticking it to the Man." But Mr. DeLuca, the Man was you. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 5655 Registered: 5-2001 |
Reflective: From your above posts to this thread, I get the impression that you have already decided who you will vote for in the primary. However, there are some of us who are still trying to make up our mind. Could you please post some serious and hopefully positive reasons why you favor your particular candidate(s)? I think you will find this much more effective when it comes to convincing readers of this thread to agree with you than calling people with differing opinions "thugs". | ||
| johnny Citizen Username: Johnny Post Number: 1248 Registered: 5-2001 |
Vic's mailer talked at length about getting things done on Springfield Ave if he is elected. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he already on the TC and Mayor at one point and he has also been in charge of the Springfield Ave Coalition. Why aren't these things done already? He has been in charge of Springfield Ave in more than one capacity over several years. How is re-electing him suddenly going to make things happen? | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 105 Registered: 3-2005 |
Johnny, It is the Springfield Ave. PARTNERSHIP. And quite a lot got VISIBLY done when he was Mayor and more has gotten VISIBLY done while he has been president of the Partnership. From Vic's website: "For over 50 years, town officials have talked about revitalizing Springfield Avenue. During my time as Mayor, we took action. In 2002, I negotiated the takeover of the Avenue from the state and obtained $3 million in public funding for streetscape projects. Over the past 18 months, as president of the Springfield Avenue Partnership, I continued the effort to bring businesses to the Avenue and improve its look and feel. Fourteen new businesses have opened, many owned by local residents. These include a toy store, dance studio, bead shop, Internet café, art gallery, Portuguese restaurant, and art studio for children. Property and business owners have spent over $300,000 of their own money for new signs, facades, awnings and interior designs. The Prospect intersection has never looked better and we keep attracting new stores to the Avenue." http://www.vicdeluca.com/theAve.html | ||
| Lucifer Citizen Username: Lucifer Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2005 |
Officer G "The PBA endorsement of Mayor Profeta and Vice Mayor Grodman was definitely based on the Officers getting what they wanted, which was a Township Committee that would listen to the local and work with it to achieve the common goal of making the Maplewood Police Department the best in could be. " "Our Endorsement of Mayor Profeta and Vice Mayor Grodman had nothing to do with “broad based policies or ideas” and everything to do with their upfront and honest dialog with the PBA." "This committee made a genuine effort to listen to us. I am happy to say that we were able to accomplish several things after both sides invested much time and energy." These are direct quotes from your posts. While you say the endorsement is a result of you getting what you want, you are quick to qualify that statement by saying what you wanted was an upfront and honest dialog with the TC. What issues besides payment conditions and promotions were you concerned about? I would like to repeat that I think it is important that you guys get paid well. I do not have any issues with you getting a raise. Also, I have been pulled over by you and you are a nice guy. I don't have any problems with the police. Tell us what Deluca ignored? Tell us what Profeta or Grodman addressed? Also, can you confirm that neither Deluca nor Profeta/Grodman were in fact involved in the negotiations of the contract? Finally, the TC meetings are public record, please, anyone, provide some kind of hard facts about who said what to whom during this whole fiasco. While I respect other posters, I think the accusations being made are fairly serious and should be confirmed. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 4857 Registered: 5-2001  |
Lucifer, Vic + police = bad. Fred + police = good. Find a more successful topic for your guy, it's getting boring (sorry straw). | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 107 Registered: 3-2005 |
[never mind] | ||
| Woodster Citizen Username: Woodster Post Number: 97 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hey mem, Why don't you address the mailer item by item? See how many of the things they listed as accomplishments you can prove they did. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 8566 Registered: 5-2001 |
Lucifer, try to read things in context. Officer G is refering to getting a Township Committee they can relate to for the good of the MPD. Things are getting way, way out of hand here. | ||
| Lucifer Citizen Username: Lucifer Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2005 |
I do not have a guy. The first 2 items on Profeta's mailer are about the PBA situation. In the other thread about Profeta and Deluca, the PBA situation is a major topic of discussion. If people feel like the situation with the MPD is not important to discuss, then I can refrain from discussing it. But it seems clear that it is a major campaign point for Profeta/Grodman. | ||
| Danger Citizen Username: Danger Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2004 |
Johnny: It is unfair to infer that Vic has done nothing to improve Springfield Ave. Our family lives right off SA near the farm market. We moved in 7 years ago and we have seen incredible improvements in the area. There are a number of small businesses moving in that cater to families and in June a Yoga Center will call SA home. These types of businesses were nonexistent before Vic got involved. Vic played a major role in revitalizing the area and will do more if we reelect him to the TC. | ||
| Lucifer Citizen Username: Lucifer Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2005 |
We should wait to get confirmation from Officer G. If neither Deluca nor Profeta was present at the actual negotiations, neither can take responsibility for the situation or put blame on the other, in terms of the contract. In terms of addressing police needs, we should also wait to hear from Officer G what Profeta/Grodman have addressed. | ||
| apm Citizen Username: Apm Post Number: 287 Registered: 5-2001 |
At the Hilton Debate Vic mentioned that his father was a "cop" and he used to hear his dad and his cop friends talk about negotiations growing up so he knew how they operated. I thought he had some personal baggage with the police issue. | ||
| Woodster Citizen Username: Woodster Post Number: 101 Registered: 8-2002 |
APM, Vic didn't have any "persoanl baggage" with the police issue. If you have ever listened to his whole statement you would have heard him say how he understands what it is the PBA is doing and it is hard for him not to just give in to them because his father was a "cop." But he also represents 24,000 people and has to decide what is fair for everyone not just the PBA. If anything that shows even more what a leader Vic is and will be. He was able to take interests of others and put them before his own personal feelings. |
