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     Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 6570 Registered: 4-1997  |
[skipped, Jeff; this response addresses Marian's previous post] and? The organization is (or seems to me) Democratic. Perhaps they view Vic as one of theirs. Perhaps they view Fred as a Republican. They send their lobbying might into town. Whether or not they did "bait and switch" is an allegation that needs to be cleared up in Citizen's Action's attorney's view. It's a serious allegation and it may end up in court for all I know. I would refer people who the responses in the debate section to make an informed vote on Tuesday rather than the he-said, she-said, they-said we're getting here. The issues are there. This is a side show, IMO. | |||
| marian Citizen Username: Marian Post Number: 666 Registered: 9-2001 |
Dave, this issue is NOT a sideshow to Maplewood citizens who gave Citizen Action their hard-earned money thinking they were supporting Social Security and then were outraged to find that they "donation" may have gone directly to DeLuca's campaign coffers. Jeff, Oh, so now you admit there IS a letter??? BTW, folks--that press release ain't it. Hopefully, the actual letter will be posted here shortly. | |||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3334 Registered: 5-2001  |
...So, Dave: Does that make Marian The Bearded Lady? | |||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 8659 Registered: 5-2001 |
From Ms. Salowe-Kaye's statement it appears that this is the first endorsement of Mr. DeLuca, given after their solicitors campaigned for him. Also, she never addresses the alleged "slander", which involves campaigning under a "false flag", probably using paid solicitors and possibly mis-directing donations. I am not surprised the press didn't pick this up. It is to vague. | |||
| marian Citizen Username: Marian Post Number: 668 Registered: 9-2001 |
 Soda! It definitely makes DeLuca look like a clown! | |||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 142 Registered: 3-2005 |
Soda, given Fred's designs on South Orange, you're going to be a very busy and useful man.  | |||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 143 Registered: 3-2005 |
Bobk, The News-Record reported that Vic said at the Hilton Debate he was endorsed by NJCA. And the NJCA press release addresses Fred's slander and smears 3 times. I saw an ad in yesterday's News-Record for Fred and Ian that claimed they'd been endorsed by "Garden State Equality." Here's the website. Can you find that endorsement for me? http://www.gardenstateequality.org/index.html | |||
| marian Citizen Username: Marian Post Number: 670 Registered: 9-2001 |
Kathleen Oh yeah!--and we all know how accurate the News-Record is. MAYOR GRODMAN can attest to that! | |||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 1289 Registered: 1-2004  |
Considering this thread is still up three hours after it was started, does this mean there is truth to what the original poster posted? Dave, have you called DeLuca to confirm this? FWIW After the Columbia High School Lunch Room mess and the Ross's being dragged into court for BS, I know from experience Dave and Jamie are being very careful with questional posts. Therefore, I'm guessing because this thread is still up, Dave has confirmed it's true? If it wasn't, wouldn't DeLuca have contacted Dave by now and asked him to remove the thread? | |||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 7247 Registered: 1-2003  |
kathleen, Garden State Equality has not posted its endorsement on its web site, but I have received moderately reliable information that such an endorsement exists. I don't know why they didn't publish it. My source is the rainbow families mailing list, of which I am a member. I still have the email if you want a copy. | |||
| mjc Citizen Username: Mjc Post Number: 627 Registered: 10-2004 |
JTA, try searching Dave's posts from this morning. I believe he is expecting a fax from marian but is out of his office till this evening. | |||
| Jack Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 5193 Registered: 10-2001 |
So Vic is telling Fred to watch his step. What's next, MOL? | |||
| marian Citizen Username: Marian Post Number: 672 Registered: 9-2001 |
I'm faxing the letter to Dave right now. I don't have a scanner to post it myself, but Mem (in another thread) said that she does, so I'm faxing it to her too and hopefully she'll be able to post it sooner than later. | |||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 8662 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kathleen, the NJCA news release never mentions the allegations that their solicitors used Social Security as an issue to get in the door and then switched to a campaign talk for Vic DeLuca. It leaves the impression, wrongly, that Profeta wants to prohibit them from soliciting in Maplewood. I went through the NJCA website last week and found no endorsement for Vic. Also, Jeff's posting of the press release doesn't have a date on it. | |||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 144 Registered: 3-2005 |
Tom, My point was that it proves nothing if you don't find endorsements on a website. Right? Did you read Bobk's post? Bob, I'm sure Fred did want to prohibit the NJCA canvassers from campaigning for Vic in Maplewood. Don't be so naive. And why should NJCA repeat the scurrilous sllegations invented and orchestratred by the Profeta campaign? And please don't tell me they weren't invented or orchestrated. marian, wharfrat has already posted elsewhere that he was at the debate and Vic said NJCA endorsed him. | |||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 7253 Registered: 1-2003 |
kathleen, True, we have no proof of the endorsement. You can choose to believe it or not. I believe it is true and can give you evidence which is still not proof. However, lack of proof is not proof of falsehood. At this point, the choice to believe is all that we have. What do you choose? NJCA's endorsement of DeLuca is also not on their site. Yet they have endorsed him. I choose to believe that the endorsement is real, too, since trustworthy people have said so. So it seems that organizations have a tendency (if a sample size of two shows a trend) of not publishing their endorsements. | |||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 8665 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kathleen, there are about a dozen posters here who have outlined the "pitch" used by NJCA in their solicitations. And why in the name of Blimey, does a candidate for a local office want to, or maybe more accurately has to, use paid solicitors from a statewide organization he helped to found do his solicitations for him. Over the years we have had neighbors and sometimes the candidates themselves ring our doorbell to get we Ks support. | |||
| marian Citizen Username: Marian Post Number: 675 Registered: 9-2001 |
Here is the letter. Many thanks to Mem for scanning it!
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| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 7254 Registered: 1-2003 |
Vic rings doorbells, too. He and David Huemer visited us on Saturday. | |||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 7255 Registered: 1-2003 |
marian, that's a demand for a retraction, not a threat to sue. |
Cease & Desist Letter