| Author | Message | ||
     John Davenport Citizen Username: Jjd Post Number: 560 Registered: 2-2003 |
If these election results stand, I hope that Vic and Fred will make peace and work together for the development of Springfield Avenue; the improvement of our libraries, arks and playing fields; and take whatever steps the township can (in conjunction with South Orange) to help our schools with their own budget crisis. Neither Vic nor Fred is blameless in the dispute about third-party endorsements, in my view. NJ Citizen Action should not have spent its donor's money to mail flyers endorsing Vic. Vic deserves credit for helping to organize this group, but contributions to NJ Citizen Action were made for state-level reforms, like the Property Tax Convention that Vic and Fred both support. But similarly, the Police Benevolent Association should not spend its donors' money sending our campaign literature either. Money given to that organization is also tax-deductible since it is supposed to be a charity for police families and police injured in the line of duty (or so I understand). Endorsements from either organization are fine, but campaign mailings are not. Therefore, neither party is completely innocent, and both should extend the olive branch and get on with business. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 7404 Registered: 1-2003  |
I asked Vic if he thought he could work well with Fred. He said absolutely yes. I haven't had a chance to ask Fred, but I would expect his answer to be the same. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3863 Registered: 5-2001  |
He might say that he'll work with Fred, but Vic said that he would never talk to me...little ol' citizen of Maplewood. The one time I asked him a question in person, he spun on his heels and walked away. He had a chance to say something at least. He will never ever get my vote. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 7406 Registered: 1-2003 |
Wow. Why wouldn't he talk to you? | ||
| C Bataille Citizen Username: Nakaille Post Number: 2055 Registered: 5-2001 |
Congratulations to Vic and Fred, both of whom are very smart and talented grownups. I'm sure they'll figure out how to make it work out for Maplewood, a town they both obviously care about. Cathy | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1213 Registered: 5-2001 |
ffof, If you asked him the question in the style in which you post about him, I frankly wouldn't blame him if that is indeed what transpired. No one should have to take the smears, etc. that you and some others have put forward. This is a long time to hold a grudge; why not try talking to him now? | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3864 Registered: 5-2001 |
Go figure. At the meeting at CHS auditorium for info on the reval, Vic came over to the group I was sitting with before the meeting. He does not know who I am. I asked him "Why did people in areas with their taxes going down get informed about this fact before the election, and people with taxes going up got informed after the election?" (I can't even remember who was up for election that time - November 2000). Anyway, he could have said anything, like "I know, it was really unfortunate that the reval company took so long in conducting the reval." OR "Did that happen? That's awful. I will look into it." OR "Yes, that was done on purpose." No. He turned away. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3865 Registered: 5-2001 |
wendy- why do you think I post anonymously?! I have no guts in person to be combative!! I really should retire from MOL. | ||
| Stevef Citizen Username: Stevef Post Number: 36 Registered: 5-2005 |
Perhaps he didn't agree with the premise of your question. I know I don't. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3866 Registered: 5-2001 |
also- I might say that I would not vote for Vic here online, but the only real smears by me (lately  )have been vs kathleen since she has gone over the edge with personal attacks so much that it is absurd. I'd say do a search, but that would probably find too much sh*t!! Anyway, I look forward to seeing you soon  | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3867 Registered: 5-2001 |
Stevef- Vic was there to disspell any illwill and talk about the reval (I thought). Plus, he's a big boy and supposedely a politician, so answer the question!! Also, I don't know if you were here during the reval, but it doesn't matter that you don't like the premise. It happened. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1214 Registered: 5-2001 |
You better not retire ffof. We need you in the education threads and I certainly tolerate you in soapbox I don't know if your question to Vic was one of those when did you stop beating your wife questions or not. But let's assume that the timing of letters occurred that way; I really don't know. (For all I know letters were sent as soon as the assessments were done within each area working out from the center.) Do you think that was the right time and place to ask it? It seems that many people had already made up their minds about so much of the reval that a full discussion prior or after the meeting in the auditorium would have had to ensue. Wasn't that the reason for the meeting to begin with. All I'm saying is think before you post and you may want to go over this history in person with Vic and others. Who you are in real life did, after all, ask the question. No reason why you can't follow up in real life as well. | ||
| algebra2 Supporter Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 3517 Registered: 5-2001  |
Is there a way to find how many people voted in total? Or how they voted -- Vic/Fred combos, Vic/Ian, Ian/Fred, people who just voted for one candidate? | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1217 Registered: 5-2001 |
I asked that question of some people and the answer was no regarding how they voted. Since one's vote is private, it makes sense, however. Of course you can see how many people voted; we just don't know how they voted. | ||
| shh Citizen Username: Shh Post Number: 2603 Registered: 5-2001 |
We could always start a thread saying "Registered Democrats, did you cast ONE vote or TWO in yesterday's primary for Township Committee Candidate?" My answer would be ONE. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1222 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well actually we could probably do some math based on assuming everyone who voted voted for one or two TC candidates. | ||
| algebra2 Supporter Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 3519 Registered: 5-2001 |
I voted for two candidates. I am curious about something -- was there an effort to defeat Fred by Vic supporters voting for Vic and Ian? Or was it that 9 more people voted for just Fred and not for Ian. Did anyone vote for the Ian and Vic combo? | ||
| C Bataille Citizen Username: Nakaille Post Number: 2056 Registered: 5-2001 |
No. But anyone who did was within their perfect legal and ethical right to do so, Alg, whatever their reasons may have been. You may make assumptions about people's motivations but assumptions are not worth the breath it takes to utter them. Cathy | ||
| algebra2 Supporter Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 3522 Registered: 5-2001 |
Huh? What are you talking about Cathy? Where did I say anything about legal or ethical? It was a harmless question -- I am not a huge anti Vic girl. I voted for Ian and Fred but I have always found Vic and Annette and everyone I've met on Vic's campaign to be quite nice. In fact I almost went to Vic's coffee on the 1st but since it was my son's birthday it was impossible. Why the snide remarks from YOU? Crazy! And another thing -- assumptions? Obviouisly I was making assumptions. Duh. Like maybe there were just 9 people who JUST voted for Fred? Who knows. | ||
| Stevef Citizen Username: Stevef Post Number: 40 Registered: 5-2005 |
It's not going to be that easy to get out of this one, algebra2. People want a real answer. (kidding) |
