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     PARROT HEAD Citizen Username: Island_jack Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2004  |
I was asked to come into the office this afternoon to discuss my most recent post. After reviewing my record with my supervisors, I was quite embarrassed to learn that a 5-day suspension was given to me for a completely different reason back in 2004 and not for my "snowstorm" post in early 2005. In fact, It was explained to me that the only reason I was asked to come to the administrator's office in the first place was to discuss how certain posts could negatively affect the rest of my department. At no time, has my right to free speech been violated. Furthermore, I would like to offer an apology to my supervisors and to the Village Administrator for any headache this may have caused them. I would also like to apologize to fellow MOLers who read my post and supported me for something that was not a valid argument. The other part of my post had to do with an IP address, supposedly within Village Hall, that was being utilized on town time. Although I disagree with chatting on town time, I only posted what I heard through the grapevine. Whether this is true or not is under investigation through town hall. In short, please disregard what some of you may have read under the heading "What's good for the goose....." | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8732 Registered: 4-1997  |
Thanks for clearing this up. I'm very glad to learn there were no reprecussions for posting on MOL. | ||
| John Caffrey Citizen Username: Jerseyjack Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2005 |
This seems even stranger. You advise that a 5 day suspension was given to you for "a completely different reason." Due process requires that you were to be informed about why you were being sanctioned so that you could be given an opportunity to challenge, confront and/or correct. Yet you seem to have no idea why you were subjected to discipline in 2004. Leads me to wonder if you are being subjected to further pressure. | ||
| PARROT HEAD Citizen Username: Island_jack Post Number: 111 Registered: 3-2004 |
I was suspended in 2004 because of something that wa s my own fault. My supervisors were acting in accordance with the contract that was issued to me at the start of my employment. My infraction did, indeed, merit a 5 day suspension. I'm not at liberty to discuss what my infraction was, however I assure you that my supervisor followed the regulations for proper disciplinary actions. Let me repeat that I was never punnished for posting on MOL. That was a huge misunderstanding on my part and I am in no way being pressured. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8737 Registered: 4-1997 |
Your assertion regarding someone posting from village hall is correct. | ||
| PARROT HEAD Citizen Username: Island_jack Post Number: 112 Registered: 3-2004 |
I think I want to change my username and go back to writing goofy sarcastic posts. It was lots more fun with lots less trouble. | ||
| Charles De Mar Citizen Username: Charles_demar Post Number: 214 Registered: 1-2005  |
Jimmy Buffet sucks too. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4099 Registered: 1-2004  |
Parrot- I am sorry for causing you any problems. I was trying to defend you and didn't even tell them your name. I think whoever it was posting from Village Hall should be held accountable for their actions moreso then anything you might have posted. In no way did I come to this conclusion you were saying the poster was from Village Hall. It was Dave. I think it is very wrong of Mr Gross to call you into the office when it wasn't you who did anything. Does a 'Frank Rizzo' work for the town? I don't know. Doesn't the town care what people do from town computers and from Village Hall? You want to know something else? Well, nevermind. I'm going to PL Dave... Again Parrot, I'm sorry if my phone call expressing my concern someone using the screen names 'Frank Rizzo' and 'Chatterbox' where posting notes from Village Hall that were obnoxious enough to be suspended from MOL. That with all the rumors already going around town I would think some action would be taken to prevent this from happening in the future. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3013 Registered: 9-2003 |
JTA - your phone call did not get Parrot in trouble. Not telling the truth about his 5 day suspension on this message board got him in trouble. People are so distrustful of the administration that it was immediately assumed that Parrot was the wronged party, when in fact, he was not. However, IF he was called to the administrator's office to even discuss a post, that's intimidation and certainly wrong in an of itself. As to the other issue of the attacks against you, the person(s) were sanctioned by Dave and then he shut the entire Town Hall out. A little overboard in my opionion, but, as I've said before, this is his playground, and you play his way or stay home. As far as people posting from their workplace - how many people do you think would be here during the day if they didn't? | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8742 Registered: 4-1997 |
At the time I thought I was only blocking one person's IP address, not an entire building. I had no idea who I was blocking until their IT manager get in touch with me. With that said, I hear John Gross is now denying Town Hall was ever blocked. And that he's telling people I don't permit dissenting voices on MOL. Which is, actually, kind of funny in a pathetic kind of way. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2580 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave: Why don't you just call John Gross and find out exactly what he has said rather than post what you have heard second hand? | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8743 Registered: 4-1997 |
Because it's from a reliable source and correcting obvious and rather silly falsehoods isn't high up on my to-do list. After all, this is supposed to be fun. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5087 Registered: 10-1999  |
So, pull the plug on that same IP address again (the one with the insulting poster). If Mr. Gross is correct, then nothing will happen to MOL access at the Village Hall. If, on the other hand ... | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2005 |
why don't you now explain the real reason why you lost vacation days? | ||
| kmk Supporter Username: Kmk Post Number: 1038 Registered: 5-2001  |
Why on earth is that your business Mr. Brant? | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2005 |
He originally brought this up and had no problem saying the reason which turns out to be not true. I find it hard to believe that a person loses 5 vacation days and forgets the reason. Come on now. He brought this up no one asked for this information. So I am very curious as to why a public servant has lost 5 vacation days. My taxes pay his salary. Just like this board has the right to ask questions of the mgmt of our town I have the right to know where my tax dollars are going. So KMK it is my business! My tax dollars my business! | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4104 Registered: 1-2004 |
michael I agree with you about where our taxes go, BUT I would be more concerned over someone with the MOL names 'Frank Rizzo' and 'Chatterbox' who are using town owned computers to post on town time notes that cause the poster(s) to be banned from MOL. Maybe Mr Gross should insist they to poat a retraction and or apology. That said, I'm going to follow the advice one of my friends gave me this morning about the situation. That is to let this die. | ||
| kmk Supporter Username: Kmk Post Number: 1039 Registered: 5-2001 |
So - you have the right to know the details behind disciplinary actions taken for every employee of the Village of South Orange? No, my friend - you (an individual not directly involved in the infraction) are not behind the confessional curtain and privy to all details. No business could be run successfully that way. The matter is between the one who diciplines and the one who is disciplined. End of story. | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2005 |
kmk...you are 100% wrong. parrot head used this forum to air laundry. As it turns out we all were upset at the town for taking vacation time away from a town employee for the reasons parrot head spelled out. Now as is turns out the information was false. Why is parrot head now not willing to explain why the time was taken. End of story. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 888 Registered: 7-2004  |
John Gross smells bad. One time I was walking down the street and I thought I was smelling a dead body, but it was just him. Dave, I would call John Gross and challenge him to a fight. He has insulted your honor and should be taught a lesson. 3:15 behind the slides! | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2005 |
What is that about...have you no self respect McCheese? You are disgusting. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 891 Registered: 7-2004 |
Michael, what is what about? Coming from you, I say thank you. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2582 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave: Is the post by Mayor what you meant when you said MOL is fun? It really crosses a line. I know that you are not a fan of Mr. Gross, but as the moderator of MOL, what will you do (and my suggestion would be that the post should be deleted). | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 892 Registered: 7-2004 |
I should have said "in my own opinion." That would have been OK. I thought it was funny. Maybe people are just to sensative these days. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8750 Registered: 4-1997 |
John Gross doesn't smell, but the joke stunk. Hope that clears the air. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2583 Registered: 4-2002 |
Maybe it was not funny. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 893 Registered: 7-2004 |
Maybe MOL should be split into 2 sections, PC and normal. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3014 Registered: 9-2003 |
Mr. Brant - Parrot clearly had some agenda with the first post... we'll never know exactly what or why. I don't believe for a minute that he only learned on 2/22 why he was suspended for 5 days. It's a union thing - he had to be told upfront what the reasoning was at the time of his suspension. That being said - you've no right to expect him to "come clean" and tell you why he was repremanded.. and confidentiality issues being what they are - he is the only one who could tell you. And Mayor - I'm not a fan of Mr. Gross, but really, bad form... very bad form... I expect better from you. | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2005 |
Mayor making a comment about a person smelling like a dead body is not funny. It is sick. Making the same comment about a person everyone knows is disgusting, sick and disrespectful. MR. Rosner deleting the post is wrong. He is entitled to his opinion and the use of free speech. Deleting a post as rude and childish as this one only lessens the amount of people who will read it and form an opinion and I would think not much of an opinion of McCheese. So Dave should leave it. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 894 Registered: 7-2004 |
I know if I wait long enough someone will be brave enough to tell me that it was funny. I would bet that most people had a laugh when they read it in the comfort of wherever it is that they are posting from, before going public saying that they though it was an awful thing to say. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 895 Registered: 7-2004 |
Michael... people are welcome to think what they want of my joke. (You do get that it was a joke, right? He really doensn't smell like a dead person, or at least not to my knowledge.) | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3015 Registered: 9-2003 |
People have been banned for less. You're lucky Dave likes you. | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2005 |
McCheese some things are just not funny. I just hope Mr.Gross does not read the post. You are a very sad person. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 896 Registered: 7-2004 |
I'm sorry to have offended everyone here. From now on I will only say very serious things. In fact, I will start by saying that this thread should be taken down because I don't like that way in which people are speaking to each other. Can't we all just get along! Now, I suggest a group hug and a song around a campfire. Damn, I have already moved away from the serious. I give up. Back to the old McCheese. | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2005 |
Actually Dave should remove you from this entire system. You are pathetic. | ||
| Eric DeVaris Citizen Username: Eric_devaris Post Number: 273 Registered: 2-2003  |
Dave, I can't understand why when you ban and block Rizzo - justly so, in my opinion - who called another poster "fancy face" and told her "get a job j.e.r.k.y.", you do not ban and block Mayor McCheese for the most sickening personal attack I have ever seen from any civilized, or even uncivilized person. If your argument is freedom of speech, than you are abusing your powers as a moderator by being selective on when and with whom you will enforce the Constitution. Reading this kind of posts would turn any civilized human being away from MOL. This is not a joke by any stretch of imagination. I do not understand why McCheese is still entitled to post here. Dave, in the name of human decency I urge you to use your good judgment and ban and block Mayor McCheese for ever. | ||
| Charles De Mar Citizen Username: Charles_demar Post Number: 215 Registered: 1-2005 |
I'm telling you Lane, practically everybody in the state of Northern California is around this particular mountain, waiting to see one Lane Meyer tackle this totally untamed slope, dead or alive. So get the lead out. That is all. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 897 Registered: 7-2004 |
Damn, people are sensative these days. It was a joke. I still think it was funny. But obviously the humor has been lost on you people. I fell bad for you that the PC world has corrupted you humor to the point were even stupid jokes like the one I posted earlier are too much for you to handle. I truely do feel sad for all of you, but still I have to laugh at this whole situation. Charles: Thank you  I guess you see the humor in this whole thing. And Michael: Please go and seek help, lack of humor can be cured. Go rent some Monty Python and be cured! | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2005 |
Eric well said!! | ||
| Charles De Mar Citizen Username: Charles_demar Post Number: 216 Registered: 1-2005 |
NO PROBLEM. I've been going to this High School for seven-and-a-half years, I'm no dummy. |
