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joel dranove
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Username: Jdranove

Post Number: 194
Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a concern for all.
If it is as large as the one in Manhattan, then it is a really big copy.
At a board meeting where the tauistas wore T-shirts and gave out gift bags to the Board, there was mention that it is as high as the gazebo.
If so, a fifteen to eighteen feet high metallic blob seems to be ferric overkill.
Does anyone have the dimensions?
jd
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Pdg
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Username: Pdg

Post Number: 686
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 9:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wouldn't it be a nice service to the taxpayers if ALL residents could see a rendering of this project before it is built?
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Spitz
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Username: Doublea

Post Number: 1555
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My understanding is that it is 14 ft. high and 21 ft. wide.
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joel dranove
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Username: Jdranove

Post Number: 195
Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are describing what will become our black, great white whale.
It will be overwhelming, if true.
And quite a target for dogs, birds and taggers.
jd
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AntoninaKC
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Username: Antoninakc

Post Number: 212
Registered: 5-2005


Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

14 by 21 ft?? thats huge!
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Glock 17
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Username: Glock17

Post Number: 363
Registered: 7-2005


Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We're gonna need a bigger boat...

and those kids are gonna need more spraypaint
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SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady

Post Number: 3107
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perhaps we should put in in the area behind the student center at SHU - the big lawn behind the fence on S Orange Ave. Everyone would see it when they drove by, but it would be protected.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 3614
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For those of you who missed it the first time. This picture represents the SCALE of the sculpture.

scale
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composerjohn
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Username: Composerjohn

Post Number: 772
Registered: 8-2004


Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is it just me, or does the TAU look like a big black pacman?

He's about to eat those two women.
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13

Post Number: 4430
Registered: 1-2004


Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is that yellow thing an 'eye?' The thing is too big for the area they want to put it in. I agree with SOlady. Give it to SHU!

MHD You are kidding, right? It's really not bigger then the picture you posted?
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 3616
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nope...the photo was not altered in any way. (the photographer actually snapped the picture that blurry)
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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 611
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SoOrLady - but that's where our students play football... I vote no, lol
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CageyD
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Username: Cageyd

Post Number: 667
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good lord that thing is Way to big.

I have mostly observed the issue of the sculpture up till now but one thing sticks out for me. No one, not even the instigators of the project, claim it is an attractive piece of art. Rather, the impetus for this seems to be to "honor" or "acknowledge" a well known or respected previous south orange resident.

I must ask therefore, would the trustees and supporters be as committed to publically funded memorials/testaments to Kevin Spacey, Lauren Hill, Elizabeth Shue, or TS Monk?

Why should this one resident's professionall achievemets garner so much attention and tax money. Fine he was a leader in his field - Lauren Hill won at least 3 Grammys a few years back - talk about being recognized in your field.

THis whole thing strikes me as being rather elitest.

But again I conclude with the fact that even the most ardent supporters don't claim this is an attractive piece of art. I guess I should be grateful that the female performance artist (Karen something or other) who was known for doing such outrageous things as incorporating fecal matter into her "art" isn't a SO resident - can you imagine what we'd be forced to deal with then?
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joel dranove
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Username: Jdranove

Post Number: 197
Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why not run Adventures in Babysitting at SOPAC in honor of Ms. Shue.
It is a precious family movie.
jd
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bettyd
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Username: Badjtdso

Post Number: 156
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think we should call that crazed man who took a hammer to Michelangelo's Pieta many years ago and see what magic he can work on this eyesore.
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argon_smythe
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Username: Argon_smythe

Post Number: 792
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


I for one am glad the BOT is focusing energies on this rather than the crappy- drinking water, or empty storefronts, or poorly maintained parks, or astronomical taxes in this town, because once this statue is in place all those things will probably not seem quite so important any more. Living in the shadow of this thing will bring immeasurable peace and joy to our very souls, which is not something you could say of, for example, water that doesn't destroy everything it comes in contact with.

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Bailey
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Username: Baileymac

Post Number: 187
Registered: 3-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is this about right?
Tau
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Stevef
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Username: Stevef

Post Number: 189
Registered: 5-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

holy
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Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz

Post Number: 3355
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bailey, nice job.... that's the ugliest - oh no, we still have shop rite to look at if we turn our heads to the right, but it comes close....

I don't see how this could possibly be worth a half million bucks. WE NEED A RECALL<<< THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN at taxpayers' expense.

Mr. DeVaris please put an end to this ludicrous, antic, bizarre, burlesque, comic, comical, crazy, droll, grotesque, farcical, foolish, funny, gelastic, oddball, incongruous, laughable, nonsensical, outlandish, preposterous, ridiculous, risible, silly, zany piece of art I've seen considered for a public bond issue. Do our trustees lose all sense of reasonableness once elected to office?


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composerjohn
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Username: Composerjohn

Post Number: 773
Registered: 8-2004


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow - that looks terrible. Even I'll admit that.

If we're going to get the sculpture, it can't go there. It just can't.
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Matt Foley
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Username: Mattfoley

Post Number: 580
Registered: 6-2004


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It will eclipse the sun!
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The Man
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Username: Bumboklaat

Post Number: 162
Registered: 2-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Kingpin=cloud.wav
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Dave
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 8953
Registered: 4-1997


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's not going to work.
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Bailey
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Username: Baileymac

Post Number: 188
Registered: 3-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe we could just post that photo with a "coming soon" sign, and that would satisfy our trustees!
I'll sell the photo for a LOT less than $500,000.00!!!
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Glock 17
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Username: Glock17

Post Number: 364
Registered: 7-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can only say...bogus...
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Pdg
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Username: Pdg

Post Number: 694
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Bailey! (So this is why noone is showing anyone an artist's rendering of how it will look.)

Now, if you could try to show us an angle that includes the historic firehouse; I think that is the contrast the artsy folks chose this spot for.



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Bailey
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Username: Baileymac

Post Number: 189
Registered: 3-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 7:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With the Firehouse..
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Bailey
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Username: Baileymac

Post Number: 190
Registered: 3-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One other view?
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crabby
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Username: Crabbyappleton

Post Number: 516
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's just offensive.
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vermontgolfer
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Username: Vermontgolfer

Post Number: 362
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unbelievable, even if the scale is slightly off, which I'm sure someone will argue it is, the pure architecture of Tau, just doesn't fit in this location. I'm shocked that all the so called 'art lovers' of this statue haven't yet noticed this.

Bailey, thanks for posting these.
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peteglider
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Username: Peteglider

Post Number: 1870
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes, truly an "impact" on the downtown.

people will really want to hang out around that thing.

Remember the decorated cows of a few years ago? (actually there were a couple that made it to SO!) -- lets get a herd of them for downtown. Our theme, obviously, should be "orange" -- orange cows, cows with oranges, you get the idea.

We'll be a model for the art world, drawing all sorts of attention to ourselves...

Who'll start the fundraising?
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peteglider
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Username: Peteglider

Post Number: 1871
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

(oh nevermind about the fundraising, we'll just get a couple of BOT members excited and issue more bonds...what the heck)
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Walker
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Username: Fester

Post Number: 248
Registered: 4-2003


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That would look much better if it were down by the duck pond perhaps it could be worked into the design for the River Walk project, but to put that in downtown? WTF!
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SOSully
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Username: Sullymw

Post Number: 1191
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That sculpture looks so out of place there against the architecture of the firehouse and train station.. It looks like a leftover prop from the sequel to the sequel of 2001, A Space Odyssey. Let's put it in the backyard of whoever thought this was a good idea
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 3627
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So, how many of you will be going to the next BOT Meeting (Monday night) to say something about this?
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susan1014
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Username: Susan1014

Post Number: 1433
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MHD, I'm conflicted by a non-profit training I have to attend. However, I think that one key fact of which to remind the BOT is that the current site was chosen at least in part to allow the use of the redevelopment monies, which are site specific.

Since we can't use that money, we should have a real discussion about siting if they are planning to go ahead with this project. (I'm resigned/willing to pay my $44+ per family, but would like a location that actually works)
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 3630
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Susan,

Couple points of clarification:
- the redevelopment money (CDBG Grant) was not "site specific" - it was to pay down debt for SOPAC. Geographic area was irrelevant.
- According to Calabrese (& I believe Ms. Arnedt also) the site was chosen by Smith's widow (before she passed away)

Whether that last point is true or not, I have no idea.
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Lucy
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Username: Lucy

Post Number: 3211
Registered: 5-2005


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That should be blown up and viewed by the residents in picture form next to a recall signature sheet.
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Bailey
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Username: Baileymac

Post Number: 191
Registered: 3-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know the scale may be a tad off, since I don't know the thing's actual dimensions, but I agree that's not the best place for it.
I think the duck pond or the riverwalk areas are great suggestions.
If we're going to pay for it anyway, lets have some say as to where it ends up.
(Maybe the roof of SOPAC, so it can be seen from space?)

I'd like to hear from those "artsy" people who want it near the firehouse.
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Bailey
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Username: Baileymac

Post Number: 192
Registered: 3-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh.. and am I alone in this, or does anyone else see this as an opportunity for grafiti artists?

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