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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 45
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I searched and searched for a parking spot Saturday evening for a 8:30 reservation for Antonellas restaurant. I finally found a spot. Then I noticed that Cryans beef and ale has valet parking and the attendants were parking the cars in town spots and putting traffic cones in the empty spaces holding them for their customers. Are they allowed to do this? When I asked the attendant why he was doing this he said he was told to by the owner. This does not seem fair.
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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 132
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If true, this is outrageous and the owner should be fined. It would be an intolerable example of conflict of interest and Cryan should be forced to resign from the parking commission; if he didn't resign voluntarily, he should be booted off irreversibly and not allowed to return for an extended period of at least several years. It would be completely beyond the pale.
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jayjay
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Username: Jayjayp

Post Number: 505
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doesn't Mr. Cryan chair or at least sit on the parking authority? Do you suppose that has anything to do with a sense that these spots are his?
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R.U. Schitz, M.E.
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Username: Parkingsux

Post Number: 356
Registered: 6-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do we suppose that Mr. Calabrese sits on the BoT as Village President and thinks the whole town is his? How conflicted can one be? The brass balls of some goes beyond convention....
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cmontyburns
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Username: Cmontyburns

Post Number: 1784
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, SORising, at least you're waiting until you have all the facts until you start calling for someone's resignation.

Don't suppose anyone has called the town and asked for the official word?
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SO1969
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Username: Bklyn1969

Post Number: 248
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Official word on what? Whether Jeep actually saw valet parking and cones? What more do we need to know?

SOrising, I'm not sure what re-running means in this context. He's an appointee and he did his political godfather's bidding by speaking up for Mary Theroux for PA Commissioner at a BOT meeting arguing that not having a new commissioner means too much extra work for him and the other sitting commissioners.
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 2693
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is a parking authority meeting tonight at 7pm in village hall. I suggest if anyone has a question, they should attend and ask.
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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 46
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have to tell you I really had to look for a spot. I saw the traffic cones but I assumed there was a police issue with the spaces. Then I saw the attendant move the cone to make room for a car the other attendant was parking. And he admitted he was saving the spaces.
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mary032
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Username: Mary032

Post Number: 224
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cryan is one of the untouchables. He can do whatever the h*ll he wants. Did anybody read the deep roots of the family in the NJ all-powerful and corrupt democratic machine? Read the Sunday NY Times about assemblyman Cryan. Anybody who touches Jimmy Cryan will be in deep @&lT. Watch it!

The connection with our government? Jimmy Cryan has been a strong supporter of Calabrese, and of the last election slate of the Village Independents Terriann Moore-Abrams, Stacey Jennings and Paul Salvatoriello. Shall I say more?
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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 136
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The two pertinent witnesses here, thus far, are jeep and the valet s/he talked to. The valet could lose his/her job, so some action should be taken quickly. [SO1969, I mean what I said regardless of whether Cryan is appointed or elected. I think he is appointed, but he should be forced to resign, one way or another, if what jeep reported is true, and there is no other explanation (such as Cryan purchasing spaces in a fair process). It would be a disgusting exploitation of public office and trust and intolerable treatment of other business owners who need the parking spaces.]

If no plausible explanation is forthcoming, people should also boycott Cryan's beef and ale until the issue is resolved, one way or another.
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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 137
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary032, in all seriousness, what, exactly, is there to fear from Jimmy Cryan? If he did appropriate public spaces for his own personal use, why would anyone want him in office for anything? I don't care who his friends are and not all of them are necessarily guilty of the actions jeep alleges. True, you could still wonder about the connections, but carefully.
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michael brant
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Username: Mbrant

Post Number: 171
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is at best difficult to find a spot on weekend evenings. Why doesn't he use the bank lot to valet park the cars.
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noracoombs
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Username: Noracoombs

Post Number: 138
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Went to Cryans on Friday night and they definitely had valet parking happening then, too. I figured it was a one-time St. Patrick's Day thing--guess not. I THINK (tho I'm not sure) that the lot they were using the "permit only" lot next store, not the one across the street.
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R.U. Schitz, M.E.
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Username: Parkingsux

Post Number: 357
Registered: 6-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think this is a new service offering - not restricted to St. Pat's festivities.
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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 614
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Before people start going after Jimmy - why not ask and get facts straight? There could be extenuating circumstances that he needed spaces or something, who knows? But I'd rather someone speak with him (just pick up the phone) before this thread gets out of control and creates an unsubstantiated "MAKE HIM RESIGN/CONFLICT OF INTEREST/AHHHH". This is so wrong on so many fronts and Jimmy is pretty fandamntastic in my eyes, so I suggest calling him....
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susan1014
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Username: Susan1014

Post Number: 1431
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unless he has explicit permission to block off spaces, he is in the wrong.

If he was on the commission that gave him premission, then he is conflicted.

I've seen the cones and the valet parking too, and not put the facts together. This has been going on for at least a couple of months (at least the valet parking offering part of the story), so let's sort it out.

Sheena, what would you consider extenuating circumstances that would allow one bar/restaurant owner to reserve spaces from the customers of other bar/restaurant owners? You want to defend him, let him know that he might want to come online and explain.
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SO1969
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Username: Bklyn1969

Post Number: 250
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was actually starting to re-consider the sharpness of earlier post...with St. Paddy's Day weekend and all, I could see a special request/accomodation. I'm the last person that wants to stand between folks and the Guinness on this special occasion, but if this has been going on for months, it wasn't a special "green card" request.

What is he paying for this special privilege - if anything? And what do the other biz owners have to say?
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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 47
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ms. Collumn. Cryans was valet parking and putting cars in spaces that his valet was reserving from the public spaces. That is what was going on. No question about it. Now the question is did he get the approval from the parking authority to do this? That is question # 1. Question #2 if he did not get the approval of the parking authority to do this then did he abuse his authority as a parking authority member? Question #3 what would happen if another business owner did this?
3 questions that should be answered.
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cmontyburns
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Username: Cmontyburns

Post Number: 1785
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, jeep, those are the questions. Do you have answers for any of them yet? What did the town say when you called and asked about it?

(Sorry, I don't want to interrupt the boycott or calls for resignation. Carry on.)
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mary032
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Username: Mary032

Post Number: 227
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 2:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sheena, why don't you call your fandamntastic friend, ask him, and give us his answer?
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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 48
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 2:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Question #1-- the attendant answered for me by removing the cones when I confronted him
Question #2--I do not have an answer to
Question #3--simple I think if anyone else did it they would have been fined
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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 49
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 2:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ms.Collum the comment that you feel Jimmy is pretty fandamntastic in your eyes does not matter at all here.
But why don't you call him and post his comments here for us to see.
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peteglider
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Username: Peteglider

Post Number: 1868
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 2:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if the valets park the cars in open spots -- I would think that's ok.

BUT its clearly not OK to "hold" spaces (if that's what was happening). That impacts residents/visitors and other downtown businesses.

/p
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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 617
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not the one who has witnessed the problem nor am I message board liaison to people in the town. The people who post that there are problems need to contact the proper channels if they are looking for facts and not message board gossip...

And my term "fandamntastic" is relevant, because more than likely he'd explain things if someone had a concern. Jimmy is a very friendly and nice guy - which is why I don't think he should be the target of criticism without people checking facts first but that's just my opinion...
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 2696
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 3:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fandamntastic

I did see the valet parking and the cones. I asked the valet parking person and he did not offer an explanation (nor did he move the cone). I took another space.
I emailed one of the SOPA commissioners and will see if I can get an explanation.

It would be wonderful if the five restauarants on valley that are close to each other could work something out to offer valet parking assuming they could use a private lot (PNC bank?).
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michael brant
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Username: Mbrant

Post Number: 172
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 3:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sheena why do you feel it is OK to comment without the facts about Terriann not being present at meetings but not ok to question Cryans about the valet without all the facts??
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Jenny
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Username: Jenjen

Post Number: 78
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 4:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Urban Dictionary link!
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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 618
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 5:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MB - Who is commenting without facts? Terriann is an elected official. There is a big difference between an elected official not conducting a legal committee meeting in 3 months and not attending the past 2 Public Safety Meetings (possibly more) and being MIA from BOT meetings and then a question regarding a private business owner's practices.
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Two Senses
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Username: Twosense

Post Number: 420
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 5:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Word on the street always has been that parking at a metered spot near Cryan's with a Cryan's menu in your car window ensured that HIS enforcement agents never would give you a parking ticket. If this thread is accurate, it looks like this privilege of power simply has been extended from First & Valley Streets to our "public" municipal lots.

So, Lord Acton appears to have gotten it right, when he said: "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Now that's fandamntastic!




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mary032
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Username: Mary032

Post Number: 229
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 6:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Absofockenlutely!
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Strings
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Username: Blue_eyes

Post Number: 834
Registered: 4-2004


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 6:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Two Sense - I've noticed this too - how annoying! I walk past that car nearly every morning and wish that if maybe I just put a piece of mail with my address in the window and parked on the street outside of my apartment overnight I wouldn't have to walk so far any more.

I'm a resident who pays for a permit to park in that lot next to Cryan's and the firehouse because there is no available parking for my apartment in the village. It has signs that clearly say "Permit Parking Only" yet people (civilians and law/parking enforcement alike) seem to not see those signs at all. I've gotten into fights with Seton Hall students over this (yes, I stole your spot that you had a blinker on for, but I have a permit and you don't) and others visiting Cryan's, such as the gentlman who came up to my car ranting and raving about where the hell is he supposed to park if this lot is permit only when I informed him of that as if I made the rules on this past Friday night. It's very frustrating when I get home after a long day and have to park in the lowered section of the lot because the top section is completely full with about 60% of the cars without permits. There's no way Cryan's should be valeting into that lot, unless they buy a certain number of temporary permits to display in the cars being parked there.
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Soda
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Username: Soda

Post Number: 3638
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Grab the cones. Put 'em in your trunk. Take the spot.

-s.
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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 50
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have personally seen the menu in the window of cars parked in front of Cryans. I have personally pointed it out to a meter officer and asked why he has passed them by without giving them tickets. I got a blank stare and he kept walking.
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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 621
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did anyone attend the PA meeting?
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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 51
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And Sheena not only is he a private business owner he is one of the COMMISSIONERS of the parking authority! Do you get the problem now! DO you think any business owner could get away with valet parking all their customers cars in public parking spaces? Do you think if the owner of the blue moon put his menu in his car window he would not get a ticket? Please answer this and answer this honestly. He as commissioner of the parking authority he is suppose to help enforce the laws set by him and the other commissioners not break them! Do you get it now Sheena?
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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 622
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jeep... I never realized there was something to be got and frankly, I didn't realize I lost it- my point was that it would have been nice for you to go get facts directly and address them to Mr. Cryan before going public with your statements about him... that simple. If there is wrong doing and an abuse of power , I hope there is the proper punishment but if not, damage has already been done by words... I think as a business owner and a commissioner, we could extend some community good will and speak with him and if I knew who you were and if you have a business, I would ask that people extend the same courtesy to you.
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jeep
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Username: Jeep

Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sheena you keep saying why doesn't someone ask Cryans why he valet parks or why doesn't someone ask him why the cars in front of his business have his menu in the window and never a ticket. Do you really think someone needs to ask? I think the answer is clear. These are not just words these are facts.
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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 142
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There should be some effort to make citizens arrests or something like it against the owners of cars with menus, parked illegally, who are not getting ticketed. Two-three credible witnesses should observe the cars, take license numbers, swear out testimony in the municipal court or other appropriate venue and officials should be held accountable. (The NY Times reporter mary023 mentioned who wrote an article about Cryan might be one of the witnesses. Maybe a Star Ledger reporter would be a second witness.) Attorneys sympathetic to the endeavor could advise people how to go about it. Among other things, if parking attendants who are supposed to be ticketing the cars repeatedly are seen not to, they can be held accountable in a public procedure.

Something similar could apply to valet attendants. If they break the law and several credible witnesses testify that they have, they may be stopped. As well, if it is true that they are being threatened with losing their jobs if they do not break the law, their supervisors can also be held accountable.
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Rastro
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Username: Rastro

Post Number: 2648
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 1:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are no questions that should be asked of Mr. Cryan. They should be asked of the Parking Authority. call Mark Hartwyk. Ask him if he knows that his enforcement people are not ticketing cars apparently parked illegally by, or in front of, Cryan's.
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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 623
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 7:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hopefully this will be a thread kill but here's some clarification, Jimmy 'rents' those spaces and has been since January...

But regardless, damage has already been done by words. I think an apology to Mr. Cryan would be fandamntacular (there's another one for you) but I doubt that will occur.

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